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Sure there are examples of free markets. Barter involves two or more parties negotiating for a mutually beneficial outcome, free of regulations. Now... might the negotiated trade involve legal documents for the protection of all parties? Sure. That does not mean the negotiation and exchange itself was subject to some sort of regulatory framework. And like it or not, the US is a nation of laws. The laws themselves are the means to right wrongs when two or more parties cannot agree and property or money are at stake.
Meanwhile, the incorrigible EU moves yet another step closer to "living in Russia or China" by forcing Amazon to give up some of its most egregious anticompetitive practices:
We're doomed.
What were/are these alleged “anticompetitive practices”?
what about smart tv's?
I only want to be able to backu pmy software
operating system included
Back on the design by committee beat, EU regulators are now proposing that mobile devices must have an easily user-replaceable battery. I hate this timeline.
We had years of easily user-replaceable batteries in our mobile devices and I recall every time I dropped a phone from more than 4 inches the back coming off/cracking. Never actually replaced a battery. Mean time my current iPhone is slim enough to fit in my pants pocket and waterproof enough to take it swimming. I don't want to go back.
Here's the deal: Small phone, waterproof phone, easily user-replaceable battery. Pick two, because you're not getting all three.
Time for Apple to create an "EU model" iPhone so the rest of us can continue to enjoy progress.
Generally iDevice battery have good life anyway, so I’ve never even thought about replacing one.
Maybe that’s a good thing for Samsung devices (wife and daughter won’t touch them now as they’ve had too many issues), but a blanket rule seems like it’s addressing a problem that doesn’t really exist.
For those that really need a new battery (and yeah, it's never happened to me), there are shops that can replace them relatively cheaply and easily. The EU proposal would put those shops out of business. Who would benefit really? Consumers would wind up with more fragile, less reliable devices with (probably) less battery capacity. And that's for iOS and Android users alike.
Basically everyone loses in this scenario.
It will also increase the size of the phones.
Ehhh, sorry guys, but don't you remember that a few years ago most mobile devices (except apple products) had user replaceable batteries? I don't think it's something bad. And I believe it can be objectively proved that it has many benefits.
Not “except Apple products” though. Lots of mobile devices had to be sent back to manufacturers to get batteries changed a few years ago as they couldn’t be accessed by users. Cell phones at one time pretty much all had detachable batteries, but I’m reasonably sure that was pre-iPhone.
Yes, a few years ago some Android manufacturers used that as a differentiator. I’d rather have an IP68 water resistant phone with a higher charge capacity and I don’t care for EU bureaucrats deciding I can’t have it. There may still be phones like that on the market today. Buy one, if you think it’s beneficial.
In my non-legal wording: they cheat with the recommendation box algorithms and use the non-public information they obtain as a platform where other vendors sell their stuff in order to promote their own stuff and squeeze said other vendors out. They exploit their position as a dominant platform to unfairly push their own products. (Not wholly unlike what Microsoft did with its browser back when, although in a more refined way.)
Remarkably, Amazon agreed to stop these practices in the EU. I think they are still free to do all these things in the US, so no danger of becoming China or Russia there. 👍
I think if you actually lived in China or Russia you would have more to worry about then a search engine manipulating recommendation box algorithms...
You must have never had one of these…
Could take it apart to replace the battery or facia and you could drop off a cliff and it would still be working fine when you got to the bottom and picked it up, add to the fact that once charged the battery would last an incredible amount of time.
Fair enough you couldn’t run garage band or angry birds on it but who needs that when you can play Snake !
I agree it was a ridiculous analogy in the first place. Glad you changed your mind about it 🤝 🙂
Nice try, but you misunderstand.
I haven't changed my mind - I still think the same about the EU... while also having a low opinion of China and Russia.
In that case, I'm not following. But you do you, fair enough. 👍
Now I'm not so sure... I can't keep up!
So there's the difference in thinking again. To me the cheating is obvious and therefore I completely ignore the "Amazon Recommends" and Sponsored markings and drill into the details. I prefer to use my own brain and common sense than to have a government step in to protect me from being naive.
I totally get where you're coming from though, and can see why you feel it's an important protection.
I will admit that some things that I appreciate a lot now, such as forcing the listing of ingredients and nutritional value on products, would never have happened without government mandates.
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What Amazon is doing is pretty obvious to anyone who gives adequate thought to such things when buying online, but I’m sure there are many buyers who don’t think about it at all.
Whether or not consumers are getting a bad deal from this is probably not the issue though. It’s more likely protection is for the mom and pop stores who lose business rather than consumers. Amazon has put enough of them out of business already, so anything that helps prevent more of them going under is probably a good thing.
You can make a replaceable battery without having a bulk device.
Yep, only adds slightly to size.
Replaceable batteries is a pro feature which I prefer if I have the choice. Also sometimes restrictions can also provoke innovation. I expect we'll see some interesting battery advances if it happens.
All of those practices are identical to how Walmart does business. It’s not an unfair business practice when participation is voluntary. If Amazon was the ONLY way a vendor could sell their goods, that would be a different matter. But they’re not the only way to sell. In fact, their market dominance (if this is even an accurate statement) would be due to customer preference, not because of shady business dealings.
I think you are mixing up categories.
If Amazon was the only way to sell stuff, that would be a monopoly, not just a dominant player. A completely different thing than what we have here, and it would require a completely different approach from the authorities.
On the other hand, dominance does not imply forced participation of others. Even legitimate, voluntary customer preferences can and sometimes do lead to a situation that needs regulation. In fact, I would agree this is what happened to Amazon. At some point, they started to use that fairly gained advantage in unfair ways.
I think we can safely say that the fact that other companies do the same thing in the US is rather irrelevant for a purely European case like this. In the EU, Walmart would be caught out, too.
"Dominance" is what happens when a business delivers what customers want. The very idea that there should be no winner (or winners) in a competitive world is absolutely insane and the EU is just creating a system that continually punishes the best.
Yes, this is true.
Also, it's not even mainly about customers being smart or not. In the background, there's much more to what Amazon is doing than meets even @wim 's watchful eyes 🙂.
Basically, they know everything about their competitors: exactly which of their products are selling well, which of their promotions work, they know everything about their stocking levels, replacement levels etc.
Imagine having to compete with a much bigger company who has complete information about everything you do, has full access to your entire business experience for free, and also owns and manipulates the store to boot. That's what the EU stopped here. 🤷