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Help understanding bus sends in AUM
I’m only recently starting to explore using bus channels in AUM. Can someone explain why, when I have stuff being sent to, for example, bus A, then when I solo that channel , I can’t hear what is being directed there? Am sure there’s a perfectly good explanation, I just don’t get it…
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@Kashi both of the mute and solo work for me in this setup
Thanks, appreciate your quick response.
Hmm, still confused though, because looking at your pics, that’s the exact configuration I’m describing, and yet when I solo the “receive from bus A” channel I can’t hear anything…
I don’t have AUM, but I think that when you ‘solo’ the send, everything else gets muted, including the source where you receive it from (Zeeon).
I agree with you @Kashi … I assume it’s just because @j_liljedahl hasn’t implemented it that way round?
Thanks. Kinda weird that isn’t it?
Glad it’s not just me! @j_liljedahl - can you clarify please?
@audiblevideo - just out of curiosity, what happens when you mute zeeon ( in pic 2)?
long press bus node and select pre or post fader to suit.
My bad @Zerozerozero & @Kashi , didn’t see the Bus Send 🤨
@Zerozerozero nailed it. In this case, you want to long-press your last bus send on each track and set it to “Pre-Fader.” You’ll see that thin white line move below your sends and you will be able to monitor properly.
Signal flow can be a particularly intimidating concept so let me know if you would like any further explanation!
Gotcha! Thanks ☺️ Makes sense
And thanks @jrjulius - might just take you up on that kind offer…
When you solo a bus-receive channel, you will also want to solo one or more channels sending to that bus, or else you'll get no sound. The reason I did it like this was because you might want to solo only some of the channels sending to a bus.
When doing it the other way around, soloing a channel that sends to a bus, AUM will automatically also solo the bus-receiving channel(s).
But I agree it might be more useful if soloing a bus-receive channel would auto-solo all channels sending to that bus as well.
Would it be possible to have both? Maybe long press the solo or mute button to make a menu pop up like pre and post in the FX chain. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes I would like to have the other option. It would be nice to have both options. Thank you very much for your great and for me indispensable app @j_liljedahl.
Cool. Thanks for engaging man. I'm just beginning to really understand the potential AUM has.....It's a truly wonderful thing.
I'm thinking maybe an option isn't needed? If you want to solo only a few of the channels sending to a bus, you tap solo on those channels. if you want to solo all channels sending to a bus, you tap solo on the bus channel. I think it would work, but this kind of logic needs testing..
Firstly, if there's a better thread for general AUM questions, please feel free to direct me there. In the meantime, I'll keep using this one.
I'm experimenting with getting hardware connected to AUM, in a very primitive way.
So, I have my Volt AI connected to a CCK, opened up AUM and successfully configured the hardware input, so I'm playing my OP-1 into channel 1 on AUM. So far, so good. But when I add an FX node, let's say Bark filter, for argument's sake, to the channel, it doesn't affect the sound (?) What am I doing wrong?
Also, when I record the incoming audio, and then open file player on another channel to play that audio recording back, I get no sound (?) Despite making no changes, and that channel also being routed (like channel 1) to play output through the Volt.... Weird...
How are you connecting your audio interface and how is the iPad then connected to monitors or headphones? When you 'add hardware' input in the channel, are you given just ipad mic as an option or are you getting the audio interface? Sounds like you might only be hearing your hardware through the audio interface and it may not be through AUM.
Screenshots would be helpful.
Is this for me @NoncompliantBryant ? You’ve quoted @headmademusic but your post seems like it’s related to my question?
I’ll assume it is.
AI is connected to iPad via cck using usb-C cable. Outputs on the AI going into a minirig portable speaker (Monitor speakers currently out of action, long story). When I select “add hardware “, I see the audio interface . I’ll send screenshots later. Thanks
You can also bus the output to send all audio to say a global fx lane, or a master bus lane. Or group the output audio at the bottom, before you send to a master bus. Ie. Bus b for bass, bus c for vocals, Bus D for drums, bus e for everything else, then bus all those groups to a master bus, f bus or whatever
Is this still not working for you @Kashi?
It sounds like somehow your audio interface is not actually outputting through AUM... That it's bypassing your routing and just going straight to your speakers.
Havr you tested other instruments or do you have another interface you can test to see if it's the interface or an issue with your AUM?
Hey @NoncompliantBryant - thanks for checking in! I appreciate it
I'll be testing this set-up again tomorrow. Will report back....
Great! Let us know what's going on. Musicians need to be able to record. Let's get to the bottom of this!
Hello friends, is there anyone here who can answer my question ? About AUM routings
What’s the question?
@HotStrange Hi, thanks for reply 🙏.
I sent an email to the aum developer a few days ago, but unfortunately I have not received a reply yet, so I am pasting the same text here.
I have problem with bypassed nodes.
Why does the midi data flow stop when we bypass a node?
I expect midi data to pass through the bypassed node without processing and be transferred to the next node that we routed.
For example , i have A B C nodes or midi plugins, i route from A to B and from B to C and From C to AUM destination. But i need to disable ( bypass ) C sometimes , but i need route from B to AUM destination, automatically. That’s mean IF C is enabling route only from C to AUM destination , else route connect from B to AUM destination automatically.
Or that’s mean , i think , C could receive midi data and send them without processing when C is bypass. but AUM doesn’t do that.
I know that i could from both B and C to AUM destination , but with this method , there is one problem in my case :
C = note randomize midi effect delay and velocity, so if i route from both B and C to AUM destination, I heard 2 midi note sounds, notes without randomize from B and notes with delay randomize from C .
Is there a solution to this problem?
Could a post a screenshot of how you have everything set up? I’d like to see exactly how you have things routed visually. I may or may not have the answers but that would help a ton to understand your setup.
Ok i will send 👍
@pejman . I believe AUM doesn't implement this. When a MIDI effect is bypassed, it is simply turned off. The AUM routing matrix shows the connections to it are broken, see pic. This is different from bypassing an audio effect, where the audio stream is just passed around the bypassed effect.
Could you use two dummy MIDI effects, like the free StreamByter, which passes all its inputs to its output? Route your MIDI effect output through one, the unaffected MIDI through the other, and send both their outputs to the destination. Bypass one StreamByter or the other to switch between MIDI streams.
@uncledave , very thanks for help i will try.
But it's very strange that aum is not able to do something ( send midi data with bypass mode [midi true] ) because I can do exactly that easily in cubasis.
Is this considered a weakness or is this a normal feature of this app?
How can I contact the developer of this app?
That’s working, 👍 🙏❤️.
@pejman : there is a whole thread about this topic that includes an explanation from the AUM developer as to why it works this way
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/51517/aum-midi-node-bypass-disconnecting-but-not-a-bypass