Arpeggiators that advance on midi note in?

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

Are there any?

audiblevideo

Example?

wim

I'm confused.

Do, you mean you send the arpeggiator a chord or note(s) to act on, and then you send it notes (presumably on a different midi channel) to make it walk through its steps?

rs2000

Play a chord with your right hand and step through the arp pattern manually by hitting C1 or C#1 with your left hand.

wim

I assume Drambo's arpeggiator can do this if you link the trigger to note input in some way.

[edit] rs beat me to it by a long shot.

Halftone

If I understand correctly- MidiSteps does.

wim

@Halftone said:
If I understand correctly- MidiSteps does.

It's not an arpeggiator though, is it?

Halftone

@wim said:

@Halftone said:
If I understand correctly- MidiSteps does.

It's not an arpeggiator though, is it?

True. Yes.

mojozart

StepPolyArp

Samu

@rs2000 said:

Play a chord with your right hand and step through the arp pattern manually by hitting C1 or C#1 with your left hand.

I’ll throw in a mind f’k when it comes to creating custom arpeggiators in Drambo…
(I’ve yet to nail this in Drambo but it’s super easy in any IceGear arp and in StepPolyArp).

What is the easiest way to create a custom arpeggio sequence in Drambo?
Lets say I hold down 4 notes C2,F2,G2 & C3 and want them to arpeggiate in this order 4,1,3,2,1 in a 5 note loop that gets its order reset once all notes are off.

If I don’t hold down all notes only the first held note will repeat on all five arp steps.
If I hold down 1 & 2 then 1 & 2 will play rest in the sequence are substituted with 1.

The StepPolyArp and IceGear arps allow adding rests in the arp-pattern for added fun.

Think there’s more than one solution to this puzzle.

Cheers!

Gravitas

@Samu said:

If I don’t hold down all notes only the first held note will repeat on all five arp steps.
If I hold down 1 & 2 then 1 & 2 will play rest in the sequence are substituted with 1.

The StepPolyArp and IceGear arps allow adding rests in the arp-pattern for added fun.

Think there’s more than one solution to this puzzle.

Cheers!

If I remember correctly @bcrichards did some stuff in this direction
in regards to creating rests when using the Arpeggiator module.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@wim said:
I'm confused.

Do, you mean you send the arpeggiator a chord or note(s) to act on, and then you send it notes (presumably on a different midi channel) to make it walk through its steps?

I am referring to the “midi trig” feature in Rozeta Rhythm, Cells, and LFO, where the clock is replaced by the timing of whatever stream of midi notes you send into the app. Rozeta Arpeggio lacks this feature; I want it!

I see the logical inconsistency—you need one midi stream of notes to arpeggiate, and another to set the timing. But maybe not! What if a single stream of midi notes did both? For example, send Fugue Machine output into an arpeggiator, the notes determining what gets arpeggiated, FM’s collective rhythm determining the rhythm of the arpeggiation.

Or even better, an app that responds to two streams of midi on different channels—one setting the notes, the other setting the rhythm.

I think Rozeta Cells could be programmed with a set of notes, using another app to trigger the rhythm. But I want an arpeggiator that hears midi notes as well as rhythms. I may need to build it in miRack.

wim

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@wim said:
I'm confused.

Do, you mean you send the arpeggiator a chord or note(s) to act on, and then you send it notes (presumably on a different midi channel) to make it walk through its steps?

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Or even better, an app that responds to two streams of midi on different channels—one setting the notes, the other setting the rhythm.

This is what I tried to say in the second paragraph above.

I may need to build it in miRack.

I thought about miRack, but anything trying to be polyphonic gets complicated real fast. Just sending a chord MIDI-wise is already difficult, and outputting any overlapping notes is worse.

Drambo is a better candidate. @rs2000's example is a good start. It doesn't use separate channels for the MIDI trigger and chords, it uses particular notes instead, but that could easily be changed.

rs2000

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@wim said:
I'm confused.

Do, you mean you send the arpeggiator a chord or note(s) to act on, and then you send it notes (presumably on a different midi channel) to make it walk through its steps?

I am referring to the “midi trig” feature in Rozeta Rhythm, Cells, and LFO, where the clock is replaced by the timing of whatever stream of midi notes you send into the app. Rozeta Arpeggio lacks this feature; I want it!

I see the logical inconsistency—you need one midi stream of notes to arpeggiate, and another to set the timing. But maybe not! What if a single stream of midi notes did both? For example, send Fugue Machine output into an arpeggiator, the notes determining what gets arpeggiated, FM’s collective rhythm determining the rhythm of the arpeggiation.

Or even better, an app that responds to two streams of midi on different channels—one setting the notes, the other setting the rhythm.

I think Rozeta Cells could be programmed with a set of notes, using another app to trigger the rhythm. But I want an arpeggiator that hears midi notes as well as rhythms. I may need to build it in miRack.

@wim is correct. Here's a Drambo rack that does exactly that. It also allows you to do the trick that Neil Peart from Rush loved to do on his drum pad controller: Step through a sequence by hitting the pad rhythmically.

Note that the first MIDI2CV module takes the MIDI from track 3 above it which is set to receive from my external MIDI keyboard and receive MIDI "Always".
I can set the chord to arpeggiate on screen while playing the external keyboard will step through the notes one by one.

bleep

One modification to this would be to let the velocity come from the midi stream where you tap the rhythm, instead of from the chord notes. That can easily be modified in the Drambo example.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@rs2000 said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@wim said:
I'm confused.

Do, you mean you send the arpeggiator a chord or note(s) to act on, and then you send it notes (presumably on a different midi channel) to make it walk through its steps?

I am referring to the “midi trig” feature in Rozeta Rhythm, Cells, and LFO, where the clock is replaced by the timing of whatever stream of midi notes you send into the app. Rozeta Arpeggio lacks this feature; I want it!

I see the logical inconsistency—you need one midi stream of notes to arpeggiate, and another to set the timing. But maybe not! What if a single stream of midi notes did both? For example, send Fugue Machine output into an arpeggiator, the notes determining what gets arpeggiated, FM’s collective rhythm determining the rhythm of the arpeggiation.

Or even better, an app that responds to two streams of midi on different channels—one setting the notes, the other setting the rhythm.

I think Rozeta Cells could be programmed with a set of notes, using another app to trigger the rhythm. But I want an arpeggiator that hears midi notes as well as rhythms. I may need to build it in miRack.

@wim is correct. Here's a Drambo rack that does exactly that. It also allows you to do the trick that Neil Peart from Rush loved to do on his drum pad controller: Step through a sequence by hitting the pad rhythmically.

Note that the first MIDI2CV module takes the MIDI from track 3 above it which is set to receive from my external MIDI keyboard and receive MIDI "Always".
I can set the chord to arpeggiate on screen while playing the external keyboard will step through the notes one by one.

Many thanks. I will have to learn to build this in Drambo.

Also, Senode will step through a sequence in response to triggers, kind of like Cells.

Next wild idea: a trance gate that opens up in response to triggers. Can Drambo do this?

rs2000

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
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Next wild idea: a trance gate that opens up in response to triggers. Can Drambo do this?

Super easy. All you need is the audio input module and an amp that has its volume controlled by the MIDI note gate signal.

lukesleepwalker

Senode?

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@rs2000 said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
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Next wild idea: a trance gate that opens up in response to triggers. Can Drambo do this?

Super easy. All you need is the audio input module and an amp that has its volume controlled by the MIDI note gate signal.

Yes! I also have FAC Envolver to do the same thing.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@lukesleepwalker said:
Senode?

That’s right—he added an arpeggiator to that app. I will have to learn that feature. I don’t know if the arpeggiator accepts external notes.

lukesleepwalker

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
Senode?

That’s right—he added an arpeggiator to that app. I will have to learn that feature. I don’t know if the arpeggiator accepts external notes.

Yeah, the settings are a little confusing but I THINK it does what you want. Sebastian's use case for Senode was to advance an arp through his drum set. So he would play the sequence/arp by converting his kick drum to a note.

bcrichards

@Gravitas you have a good memory. I made something similar to this a ways back.

https://patchstorage.com/separate-a-voices-arp-per-voice/

@Samu i attached a rack. i think this might be what you are looking for? You play a a stack of notes, and then tell it what voice you want it to play, so it’s always only playing one note? For chords we could get a little more complex.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@bcrichards said:
@Gravitas you have a good memory. I made something similar to this a ways back.

https://patchstorage.com/separate-a-voices-arp-per-voice/

@Samu i attached a rack. i think this might be what you are looking for? You play a a stack of notes, and then tell it what voice you want it to play, so it’s always only playing one note? For chords we could get a little more complex.

Cool patch; many thanks!

pbrian

@rs2000 said:
Here's a Drambo rack that does exactly that. It also allows you to do the trick that Neil Peart from Rush loved to do on his drum pad controller: Step through a sequence by hitting the pad rhythmically.

Note that the first MIDI2CV module takes the MIDI from track 3 above it which is set to receive from my external MIDI keyboard and receive MIDI "Always".
I can set the chord to arpeggiate on screen while playing the external keyboard will step through the notes one by one.

Hi, first of all thank you for the insight! I've been looking for something like this for quite some time, the ancient roland juno6/60/sh101 technique of advancing the arp with a trigger output from a roland TR box like the 808.

But, with your rack the notes are always iterated from the lowest to the highest, so, in the case I wanted to iterate not an arpeggio or a chord but a sequence of notes, for example C3, D#1 and F2, and I wanted that, like Neil Peart from Rush, it iterates the three notes in that order (first C3 then D#1 then F2 and then again C3...) how would you do it? I'm struggling on how to do it....

rs2000

@pbrian said:

@rs2000 said:
Here's a Drambo rack that does exactly that. It also allows you to do the trick that Neil Peart from Rush loved to do on his drum pad controller: Step through a sequence by hitting the pad rhythmically.

Note that the first MIDI2CV module takes the MIDI from track 3 above it which is set to receive from my external MIDI keyboard and receive MIDI "Always".
I can set the chord to arpeggiate on screen while playing the external keyboard will step through the notes one by one.

Hi, first of all thank you for the insight! I've been looking for something like this for quite some time, the ancient roland juno6/60/sh101 technique of advancing the arp with a trigger output from a roland TR box like the 808.

But, with your rack the notes are always iterated from the lowest to the highest, so, in the case I wanted to iterate not an arpeggio or a chord but a sequence of notes, for example C3, D#1 and F2, and I wanted that, like Neil Peart from Rush, it iterates the three notes in that order (first C3 then D#1 then F2 and then again C3...) how would you do it? I'm struggling on how to do it....

That's easy. All you need to do is change the Arp play mode to "As played", activate Hold (+) on the keyboard and play the notes in the order you want them.

drconfusion

@Gravitas said:

@Samu said:

If I don’t hold down all notes only the first held note will repeat on all five arp steps.
If I hold down 1 & 2 then 1 & 2 will play rest in the sequence are substituted with 1.

The StepPolyArp and IceGear arps allow adding rests in the arp-pattern for added fun.

Think there’s more than one solution to this puzzle.

Cheers!

If I remember correctly @bcrichards did some stuff in this direction
in regards to creating rests when using the Arpeggiator module.

I would love love love this to be a feature of StepBud & ShiftBud or the other buds.

In the modular world things really get cooking when you can use a non-clock-like rhythm as a sequencer’s clock.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@drconfusion said:

I would love love love this to be a feature of StepBud & ShiftBud or the other buds.

In the modular world things really get cooking when you can use a non-clock-like rhythm as a sequencer’s clock.

Rozeta Cells is a sequencer that will accept midi in as a clock. Unfortunately he did not build the same feature into Rozeta Arp.

wim

@pbrian said:
But, with your rack the notes are always iterated from the lowest to the highest, so, in the case I wanted to iterate not an arpeggio or a chord but a sequence of notes, for example C3, D#1 and F2, and I wanted that, like Neil Peart from Rush, it iterates the three notes in that order (first C3 then D#1 then F2 and then again C3...) how would you do it? I'm struggling on how to do it....

The Hypno Sequence Mozaic script is an alternative way to do this.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@wim said:

@pbrian said:
But, with your rack the notes are always iterated from the lowest to the highest, so, in the case I wanted to iterate not an arpeggio or a chord but a sequence of notes, for example C3, D#1 and F2, and I wanted that, like Neil Peart from Rush, it iterates the three notes in that order (first C3 then D#1 then F2 and then again C3...) how would you do it? I'm struggling on how to do it....

The Hypno Sequence Mozaic script is an alternative way to do this.

If I understand the request correctly, Rozeta Cells will also do this.

pbrian

@rs2000 said:
That's easy. All you need to do is change the Arp play mode to "As played", activate Hold (+) on the keyboard and play the notes in the order you want them.

Thanks, it works! The only caveat is that the keyboard in drambo gets locked for all the tracks so I can't use it in any other track... I mean, when using that rack, any other track is unusable as I can't input notes because the keyboard is in use by the holded notes.

Another question... Once you have the sequence advancing steps per triggers on the other track... Is there any way to transpose the sequence? Like you would do in the sh101 pressing the "transpose" button while pressing any key in the keyboard

🙏 Thanks!

pbrian

@wim said:
The Hypno Sequence Mozaic script is an alternative way to do this.

Thanks! I will take a look but for the moment I prefer to stick to Drambo