Why is Patterning so great

hes

@ecamburn said:
It just makes your brain work differently because it's a circle not a row in a rectangle. It also has excellent options for making unique patterns. The modulation options just lend themselves to varying things that matter in percussion like velocity and pitch. Then there's the rotate feature. Don't think there's anything else like that in another app.

I'm curious, when it comes to melodic midi output, how is 4Pockets' Euclidean Sequencer different or similar?

ecamburn

@hes , I've not used Patterning much for melodic sequencing. You can modulate course tune (see below) As you show in your picture, Euclidean seq is more geared towards sequencing melodies. Patterning is geared towards sequencing one shot samples. From the manual:

michael_m

@Gravitas said:

jason said:

Music is math and all about harmonies (chords) and rhythmic patterns with repetitive character. Especially the drums part.

Patterning is not so much about the sound (because tis is exchangeable), it’s the unique principle of polyrhytmic/polymetric of what it is building on.

+1

I think that needs to be qualified as Western music, particularly the Common Practice Period, as it doesn’t apply to all music.

(But I do agree with the comments about Patterning in general).

Grandbear

I wonder if Beat Scholar, although it has a different UI paradigm, can provide a similar experience for bulding patterns

Gravitas

@michael_m said:

@Gravitas said:

jason said:

Music is math and all about harmonies (chords) and rhythmic patterns with repetitive character. Especially the drums part.

Patterning is not so much about the sound (because tis is exchangeable), it’s the unique principle of polyrhytmic/polymetric of what it is building on.

+1

I think that needs to be qualified as Western music, particularly the Common Practice Period, as it doesn’t apply to all music.

(But I do agree with the comments about Patterning in general).

Having played musics from around the globe for decades
it actual holds true that music is math.
The difference is the math.
Karnatic music is a great example of music is math.
African rhythms are akin to Euclidean rhythms and
their vocal harmonies (dependant upon region and tribe)
can be describe using western methods but the music math
comes easily to them as it's a part of their environment.

michael_m

@Gravitas said:

@michael_m said:

@Gravitas said:

jason said:

Music is math and all about harmonies (chords) and rhythmic patterns with repetitive character. Especially the drums part.

Patterning is not so much about the sound (because tis is exchangeable), it’s the unique principle of polyrhytmic/polymetric of what it is building on.

+1

I think that needs to be qualified as Western music, particularly the Common Practice Period, as it doesn’t apply to all music.

(But I do agree with the comments about Patterning in general).

Having played musics from around the globe for decades
it actual holds true that music is math.
The difference is the math.
Karnatic music is a great example of music is math.
African rhythms are akin to Euclidean rhythms and
their vocal harmonies (dependant upon region and tribe)
can be describe using western methods but the music math
comes easily to them as it's a part of their environment.

I meant the harmony and chords reference rather than the math. I’ve traveled quite far around the globe too, and even for some of the seemingly odd metered or uncountable beats there’s always something that fits in terms of math once you figure it out.

Gravitas

@michael_m said:

@Gravitas said:

@michael_m said:

@Gravitas said:

jason said:

Music is math and all about harmonies (chords) and rhythmic patterns with repetitive character. Especially the drums part.

Patterning is not so much about the sound (because tis is exchangeable), it’s the unique principle of polyrhytmic/polymetric of what it is building on.

+1

I think that needs to be qualified as Western music, particularly the Common Practice Period, as it doesn’t apply to all music.

(But I do agree with the comments about Patterning in general).

Having played musics from around the globe for decades
it actual holds true that music is math.
The difference is the math.
Karnatic music is a great example of music is math.
African rhythms are akin to Euclidean rhythms and
their vocal harmonies (dependant upon region and tribe)
can be describe using western methods but the music math
comes easily to them as it's a part of their environment.

I meant the harmony and chords reference rather than the math. I’ve traveled quite far around the globe too, and even for some of the seemingly odd metered or uncountable beats there’s always something that fits in terms of math once you figure it out.

Agreed.

gkillmaster

@michael_m said:

@Gravitas said:

@michael_m said:

@Gravitas said:

jason said:

Music is math and all about harmonies (chords) and rhythmic patterns with repetitive character. Especially the drums part.

Patterning is not so much about the sound (because tis is exchangeable), it’s the unique principle of polyrhytmic/polymetric of what it is building on.

+1

I think that needs to be qualified as Western music, particularly the Common Practice Period, as it doesn’t apply to all music.

(But I do agree with the comments about Patterning in general).

Having played musics from around the globe for decades
it actual holds true that music is math.
The difference is the math.
Karnatic music is a great example of music is math.
African rhythms are akin to Euclidean rhythms and
their vocal harmonies (dependant upon region and tribe)
can be describe using western methods but the music math
comes easily to them as it's a part of their environment.

I meant the harmony and chords reference rather than the math. I’ve traveled quite far around the globe too, and even for some of the seemingly odd metered or uncountable beats there’s always something that fits in terms of math once you figure it out.

I love this direct approach regarding maths
https://dillonbastan.gumroad.com/l/data-train

Gravitas

jason said:

@michael_m said:

@Gravitas said:

@michael_m said:

@Gravitas said:

jason said:

Music is math and all about harmonies (chords) and rhythmic patterns with repetitive character. Especially the drums part.

Patterning is not so much about the sound (because tis is exchangeable), it’s the unique principle of polyrhytmic/polymetric of what it is building on.

+1

I think that needs to be qualified as Western music, particularly the Common Practice Period, as it doesn’t apply to all music.

(But I do agree with the comments about Patterning in general).

Having played musics from around the globe for decades
it actual holds true that music is math.
The difference is the math.
Karnatic music is a great example of music is math.
African rhythms are akin to Euclidean rhythms and
their vocal harmonies (dependant upon region and tribe)
can be describe using western methods but the music math
comes easily to them as it's a part of their environment.

I meant the harmony and chords reference rather than the math. I’ve traveled quite far around the globe too, and even for some of the seemingly odd metered or uncountable beats there’s always something that fits in terms of math once you figure it out.

The funny thing about this music-math hypothesis is, that the older I got, the more I realized it. Because, for example, I also got deeper and deeper into the secrets of programming and coding for music. And somehow the code turned into music and the music into code then.

So this thing sometimes pops up in you unexpectedly and when you love both (music and coding for instance), then you suddenly see the connections very clearly.

Very much so, I'm coming from the music side of things
and then gradually learning the basic principles of coding
and the connections are clear to see.

But who knows that? A psychotherapist might see it totally differently and claim that we all have quite a problem that is deeply rooted in our childhood.

I don't think it's anything to do with a deep rooted problem per se,
I think it's simply a different way of looking at the World.

So, of course, music is first and foremost emotion, not pure mathematics. But fairly much in the musical relations can be described perfectly with math.

Oh for sure, music first and foremost is about emotion.
The language of math is another way to describe music,
instead of saying ,"ohhhhh that sounds crunchy", an equation is offered instead.

(Rather than 'algorithmic composing' I want to reference for instance the Fast Fourier Transform here. It is able to describe any acoustic state perfectly with sine waves as a function of time. Pure Math. And it all traces down to a simple but amaizing math formula.)

Very interesting.

Well, the math formula for Beethoven's 5th probably looks a bit longer.

Agreed.

Gravitas

jason said:
Yes! I had an authoritarian father who hit me for every little thing.

😭😭😭

Ahhhhh.
I hear you.

I'm sorry to hear that you had to endure such a thing.