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Fyi, I’m getting a lot of stuck notes. Somehow you’re missing note offs when intervals change rapidly or overlap.
Yep, I also reported this
You can't press 2 pads at the same time, think Cem said that was the faise5or this problem
The new version v1.2 is pretty solid. I did a stress test (warning loud ⚠️ ):
Put that on SoundCloud! Not any worse than some of the “modern music” out there…
Then get Tiesto to remix it!
lmaoo 😂😂
So pressing 2 pads at the same time is clearly no longer an issue, excellent! But... Are velocity sensitive pads possible for a future update Cem? Would that be hard to implement?
This "Samchillian" keyboard is probably the perfect interface for humans wrenching monophonic lines from an iPad.
Forget the thumbs, wiggling the 8 fingers on 8 pads with a middle repeat pad is hard to improve upon.
The idea for this way of playing solo music was invented by Leon Gruenbaum. He also added a new feature called the "Tone Row" which plays all 12 notes of the scale before allowing any note to repeat... it's demo'ed at the 5:45 point in his demo video
from 17 years ago. His hardware interface is based on an ergonomic keyboard of that era:
memorizing some 3 note patterns like +2 +1 -1 which will take you upwards pretty quickly. Then using the mirror sequence -2 -1 +1 will bering you back down just as fast. Since everything stays within the current scale the results even with mistakes
in intended patterns always sound pretty good.
For an update suggestion I would love "In Theory" to accept incoming MIDI and interpret the incoming notes as new "root"
settings relative to the current ROOT and SCALE settings. For example, in C Major, inputting C - A - D - G would reset the "relative root" from C to A (minor results) to D (minor results) to G (major 7th results). There are so many potential ways to implement this MIDI input idea but it would all players to input chord changes from a step sequencer and keep playing along coherently by wiggling those 8 fingers and staying in scale and emphasizing chord tones in the patterns input.
Even a newbie can fire off Rachmaninoff-like arpeggios with this amazing keyboard layout that they would never get right on a
standard MIDI keyboard. The 9 PAD concept can also be implemented on an 8 PAD controller by dropping one end or the other... I vote for dropping off the -4 myself.
I haven't tried it yet but putting 8 fingers on the white keys above and below C also works out of the box. But laying the iPad flat in front of you so you can tap the virtual pads easily is probably the perfect interface for shredding by anyone not trained in a standard music interface like a keyboard, drum kit , guitar neck or musical horn layout.
Wait... Gestrument Pro. It's programmed to just spit out coherent musical content. Hmm... I think the audience would be more impressed by an obvious solo "voice" coming out of your hands. Like that street musician that uses the Korg Kaos app for jamming live:
I got the app and he's put a lot of work into finding ways to get good results. The SamChillian seems to be a lot better for getting good results faster if the scale of the backing material is known and doesn't change rapidly.
Has this or will this be added? I've messed around with a Dr__bo "Misha" like patch that is much like this app, and could not get anywhere if it didn't have this essential.
Sorry to sound picky, but I don't think I want to purchase this unless it has or will have a return to root button. Needs to be keyboard accessible too.
I agree that a quickly accessible "Return to Root" pad is useful since it's so easy to wader into the weeds and need a reset.
I think expanding the pads to 9 and placing root in he middle next to "0" which acts as a REPEAT key. Innovating in optional layouts is pretty typical of "keyboard apps". I know I have several promarily to get MPE interfaces. That damn Roll Seaboard app is wonderful but doesn't send MIDI out... cash cows for hardware vendors can work against out interests.
The new version v1.2.1 is live! Please let me know if you have any more hanging notes 🙏
Yes indeed! I’m always in the weeds it seems - often 30 secs or less.
Working perfectly for me! Thanks for the quick update! 👍🐬🎸
Awesome, thanks 🙏
I’d like to beg again for you to add a key/button to allow the series to return to a/the root octave/note.
Pretty please?
That was on my roadmap but I was distracted, sorry!
Which one is better:
Edit:
How about that?
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Yea, I could see that working.
My ultimate preference would be to make the +/- buttons midi mappable and not reliant on an actual keyboard so it’s easier to use with things like pads that are not always remappable internally…
But for a v1, the c#/d# would be cool.
I want to hear someone become a virtuoso on this thing and show us what the possibilities are.
I think you can use a MIDI transformer app and map them yourself.
C4 = 0
D4 = +1
E4 = +2
F4 = +3
(it goes up to +16)
B3 = -1
A3 = -2
G3 = -3
(it goes down to -16)
So you can use a simple translator or mapper to map your drum pads to those keys.
BTW is there a good, easy to use MIDI mapper app, I can actually make one 🤔
Other than hand coding in Mozaic and a few other apps, there’s a huge lack of good midi manipulation AU tools that are quick and easy to use. The app MidiFlow is powerful, but not real easy to use and not AU…
A simple way to create mappings:
Note60=Note40
CC50=CC20
Channel1=Channel2
Etc.
Is lacking…
But before you do that, add the return to root options! 😉
Hey all,
@cem_olcay, here's an example of using InTheory with percussion pads.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55066/kooky-synth-percussion-test-with-intheory-mersenne/
In doodling around with it, one thing I'd love for you to consider if you're still open to adding the return to root options is to make an option so the return to root function can be "non-sounding". As I would do runs, or try to create little melodic bits, I was always wishing I could get back to root, but NOT have the root sound when I hit that trigger.
Even if you're not going to develop it more, I still love what I can do with it, so thanks for making it!
Hold my beer. It might take a while but this type of keyboard can make you sound really good with out learning more that a few 3 pad patterns like:
+2 +1 -1 repeated as fast as you can manage
And then it’s mirror to get back to root
-2 -1 +2
Any mirrored pairing can allow you to wander away and back using you ear as the guide… no counting required.
Mirroring + and - single note arps are cool. I’ll work on a demo to make my case if I can get free from my chores today.
This is super cool, I love it! Return to home feature is coming soon, it's on the top of my list now.
You'll get half of the profit from my first album as a reward!
And.. Another idea...
This should be right up your alley considering your other apps...
Then, InTheory can be much more musical in a wider musical context when you feed the chord progression into it. Stop feeding the chord, and it's still constrained to the selected scale... So you can have a Min key driving the basic chord progressions for melody and accompaniment, but then stop the incoming chord notes, and have a min pent. scale to solo with.
If you can do that while you have the hood up, I'll bring you on stage when I visit your home town on my world tour!
This method of playing would be worth creating a custom hardware device/interface.. Like across between a Keytar and an Omnichord... Spandex pants would be extra.
Another feature request: capture X-Y axis data from each pad, mappable to CCs. For example, when playing a sustained note on a pad, I could set Y-axis movement to control pitch bend to make vibrato, and X-axis movement to open the filter.
Velocity kb and ChordPolyPad are good models for this.
mfxConvert does this quite well. It's a little unintuitive as to how to do multiple mappings but once you learn how it's quick and easy. The other drawback is it doesn't have it's own preset manager, so if you make a mapping in one app you have to redo it in other apps.
I have some thoughts on mapping tools if at some point you feel like opening a thread for ideas for such a thing. I bet you could get a lot of good discussion from this forum.
Big day for Bud apps...
Nice! Really glad the return home feature will be added to In Theory, and who doesn't love randomizers and draw modes 🔥
Sweet thanks @cem_olcay !
I’d still argue a case to have return to home have an option to not sound the root when it returns. As you can do return to home, and hit +0 to do the same thing if you want the root to sound, but there’s no way to return to home/root silently as is. I’d add it as a toggle y/n in the settings.
The best I can do is exposing “return to home” as an AU param and you can trigger it externally. It won’t send MIDI, so it’d be silent.