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Has anyone read “The Creative Act: A Way of Being” by Rick Rubin?

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  • andowritesandowrites

    @Gavinski said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Watched a few vids and read a few articles that left me on the shelf, but if you're recommending it I might well give it a read Dan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/10/the-creative-act-a-way-of-being-by-rick-rubin-review-thoughts-of-the-bearded-beat-master

    The 'contradictions' mentioned in this article are to me - and the writer later implies as much - not really contradictions. Sometimes imposing limits is what you need, sometimes you need to embrace no limits. It depends on what is needed at the time. That's why in Ancient China it really wasn't a case of, say, Confusionism over Doaism or vice versa. Instead, one famous aphorism recommended people to be a Confucian by day and a Daoist by night. As with everything, the secret lies in the ability to know when to apply the right tool or mindset at the right time.

    This is a concept very hard for some westerners to grasp after many years of indoctrination by religious absolutism. There's a very rigid notion of right and wrong. But to me there's often no absolute right or wrong - it depends on the time, the place, the motivation and the potential results. Not something that a doctrine like Christianity in most current formats can be bent to. But also something that can and has been abused by cult leaders etc.

    OK, ramble over!

    “ In winter I’m a Buddhist,
    And in summer I’m a nudist.”

    Joe Gould

    Haha, I don't know this guy but he's on the right track, I think / hope.

    This made me chuckle too!

  • andowritesandowrites

    @Gavinski said:
    Back to the topic, though, this book is fantastic and will be far more useful for most people, from what I gather, than Rick Rubin's more whimsical ramblings.

    https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/?pk_vid=386e38d4b51abc281678856690dd21cd#making-music

    Digital versions are free to download! Extremely practical and very well written (writer is Head of Documentation at Ableton).

    I love this book. I have it on my iPhone, my laptop, and my MacBook Pro. I'm thinking to get the physical book too, as a different way of referencing the content, by thumbing through, rather than linear digital reading.

  • andowritesandowrites

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Back to the topic, though, this book is fantastic and will be far more useful for most people, from what I gather, than Rick Rubin's more whimsical ramblings.

    https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/?pk_vid=386e38d4b51abc281678856690dd21cd#making-music

    Digital versions are free to download! Extremely practical and very well written (writer is Head of Documentation at Ableton).

    I love this book. I have it on my iPhone, my laptop, and my MacBook Pro. I'm thinking to get the physical book too, as a different way of referencing the content, by thumbing through, rather than linear digital reading.

    Some time back, Ableton made the PDF edition of the book available for free. They hid it, but the link is still valid:
    https://cdn-resources.ableton.com/resources/uploads/makingmusic/MakingMusic_DennisDeSantis.pdf

    I have the PDF on my MacBook Pro and iPad, the Kindle version on my iPhone. The PDF is as lovely as the book in terms of having the same layout as the print edition. The Kindle version doesn't read or inspire so well. The book via Ableton is a bargain compared to the price on Amazon, at least, it is in the UK.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @andowrites said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Back to the topic, though, this book is fantastic and will be far more useful for most people, from what I gather, than Rick Rubin's more whimsical ramblings.

    https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/?pk_vid=386e38d4b51abc281678856690dd21cd#making-music

    Digital versions are free to download! Extremely practical and very well written (writer is Head of Documentation at Ableton).

    I love this book. I have it on my iPhone, my laptop, and my MacBook Pro. I'm thinking to get the physical book too, as a different way of referencing the content, by thumbing through, rather than linear digital reading.

    Some time back, Ableton made the PDF edition of the book available for free. They hid it, but the link is still valid:
    https://cdn-resources.ableton.com/resources/uploads/makingmusic/MakingMusic_DennisDeSantis.pdf

    I have the PDF on my MacBook Pro and iPad, the Kindle version on my iPhone. The PDF is as lovely as the book in terms of having the same layout as the print edition. The Kindle version doesn't read or inspire so well. The book via Ableton is a bargain compared to the price on Amazon, at least, it is in the UK.

    The link I posted has various free options!:

    Download for free in the following formats: .pdf, .mobi (for Kindle), .epub (for all devices)

  • reasOnereasOne

    I am about 3/4 thru the audiobook and have the physical copy as well. It was like 19$ on Amazon.

    What i will say about this book that initially caught my attention is that his message is about us as individual humans going thru every day actions of creating and creativity.
    At work when we are problem solving, that is building our character and showing who we are. The challenge of solving a new problem and exploring the options that lead us to a solution is a practice we can use when working on a piece of music or any other area.

    Creating music is like having a conversation. You sit down with a group of friends and just start talking. There might not be any clear direction for the conversation, you might just be hanging out with many random, uncrafted and chaotic topic changes. But you are creating a conversation and an experience.

    This seems to be how rubin says great art is born, or the magic moments that happen when you are playing your instrument. You don’t have to be planning out the perfect song… You are just having a conversation with your instrument just like with your friends and it creates itself in many ways.
    Let your fingers guide you across the strings, or keys.

    Letting go of the baggage, and hard lines of trying to pre-define what you are trying to create… and just letting the art come alive naturally.
    I find this to be true for me. When I’m just jamming and noodling, those are my best moments. The bob ross happy accident's. The things i couldn’t have done with intention.

    I always wanted to be a hiphop artist, but when i sit down to jam… i don’t make hiphop haha . I end up making some type of ambient dub because that’s just where the sounds take me.
    I can and have made hiphop but at the end of the day, what i started out to do… ended up being something completely different and I’ve been trying to accept that…. I try to blend what i like about hiphop and psych rock and jazz and blues into this thing that’s loosely defined as ambient.

    Hearing rubins book speak on this, has helped me accept this about my musical self.

    Ultimately this book IMO is about personal growth and letting go… feeling free so you are opening up to the art trying to come out of you.

    I will read this daily just for that small hit of gentle inspiration from a man who seems to only want to express love and support. He seems a good guy that really enjoys life and wants to share his perspective with others.

    Anyway ramble complete 🤣

  • skiphuntskiphunt
    edited June 7

    Loved the Rubin’s book. Reading a second time. I have the hardback but it’s also easy to find the PDF

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    @reasOne said:
    I am about 3/4 thru the audiobook and have the physical copy as well. It was like 19$ on Amazon.

    What i will say about this book that initially caught my attention is that his message is about us as individual humans going thru every day actions of creating and creativity.
    At work when we are problem solving, that is building our character and showing who we are. The challenge of solving a new problem and exploring the options that lead us to a solution is a practice we can use when working on a piece of music or any other area.

    Creating music is like having a conversation. You sit down with a group of friends and just start talking. There might not be any clear direction for the conversation, you might just be hanging out with many random, uncrafted and chaotic topic changes. But you are creating a conversation and an experience.

    This seems to be how rubin says great art is born, or the magic moments that happen when you are playing your instrument. You don’t have to be planning out the perfect song… You are just having a conversation with your instrument just like with your friends and it creates itself in many ways.
    Let your fingers guide you across the strings, or keys.

    Letting go of the baggage, and hard lines of trying to pre-define what you are trying to create… and just letting the art come alive naturally.
    I find this to be true for me. When I’m just jamming and noodling, those are my best moments. The bob ross happy accident's. The things i couldn’t have done with intention.

    I always wanted to be a hiphop artist, but when i sit down to jam… i don’t make hiphop haha . I end up making some type of ambient dub because that’s just where the sounds take me.
    I can and have made hiphop but at the end of the day, what i started out to do… ended up being something completely different and I’ve been trying to accept that…. I try to blend what i like about hiphop and psych rock and jazz and blues into this thing that’s loosely defined as ambient.

    Hearing rubins book speak on this, has helped me accept this about my musical self.

    Ultimately this book IMO is about personal growth and letting go… feeling free so you are opening up to the art trying to come out of you.

    I will read this daily just for that small hit of gentle inspiration from a man who seems to only want to express love and support. He seems a good guy that really enjoys life and wants to share his perspective with others.

    Anyway ramble complete 🤣

    Nahhh, real post man, real talk
    TY for sharing

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    @Gavinski said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Sounds like faddish hip and trendy nonsense that passes for eastern teachings these days, remember for most, eastern philosophy is a lifelong pursuit, often with a guide, a learned elder usually, in western culture as a comparison it would be a psychiatrist as a guide. But if it works go for it, ultimately the power is already within you, it just needs unlocking.

    Yeah lol. I have an anecdote about this. I once knew a young American guy studying a master's degree in Daoism here in China. Lovely guy btw. However....

    Once we were at a concert - a superb solo performance by a guy called Douglas Li, totally improvised and involving an array of western and world instruments. At the end he asked if anyone would like to come up and jam with him. Now I can play guitar but I'm not a great improviser and there was no way I was going to embarrass myself by going up there after such an incredible show.

    My daoist student friend had no such compunctions, asked if he could borrow the bar's guitar, and got on the stage.

    What ensued was one of the simultaneously tragic and hilarious performances I've ever seen. I guess he thought he'd channel some Qi or something but it was not enough to make up for the fact that he couldn't play the guitar for shit. 😂

    Fantastic anecdote with an extremely funny perception of a western daoist …. Subtle, but hilarious Gavin…

  • MadGavMadGav

    @knewspeak said:
    Sounds like faddish hip and trendy nonsense that passes for eastern teachings these days, remember for most, eastern philosophy is a lifelong pursuit, often with a guide, a learned elder usually, in western culture as a comparison it would be a psychiatrist as a guide. But if it works go for it, ultimately the power is already within you, it just needs unlocking.

    I’d tag it as boomer regression.

    (Must return to this thread later…)

  • pedropedro

    Some time back, Ableton made the PDF edition of the book available for free. They hid it, but the link is still valid:
    https://cdn-resources.ableton.com/resources/uploads/makingmusic/MakingMusic_DennisDeSantis.pdf

    It’s the first result on google or DDG for “creative strategies ableton” so they didn’t hid it very well

  • kirmesteggnokirmesteggno
    edited June 7

    @reasOne said:
    This seems to be how rubin says great art is born, or the magic moments that happen when you are playing your instrument. You don’t have to be planning out the perfect song… You are just having a conversation with your instrument just like with your friends and it creates itself in many ways.
    Let your fingers guide you across the strings, or keys.

    The similarities between music and graff are interesting, but in one I've invested over 50 - 100k hours and that's where I prefer a freestyle approach, and the other one where I'm maybe at 5 - 10k hours I'm much more conceptual.

    When I started with graff I had no idea about visual guides/grids or any of the stuff that can provide structure, I've just adapted the next letter to the previous one. I did this for over a decade until I met an actual letterer who couldn't believe that I didn't use any layout grid of some sorts, totally blew this guys mind.

    Then I got intrested in the conceptual approach and got very obsessed with it, kinda felt like cheating. This made me ralize that many artists who i thought were off limits skill wise just used concepts and computer aids to the max, e.g. Daim. If you can combine both somehow, the organic freestyle and a conceptual approach then you're really off to the moon.

    With music I kinda started relying on structure early on, and its very hard to get away from it. I'm just now getting into a workflow that's as destructive as possible by design, so that I can kinda replicate the graff approach with audio adapting the next thing to the previous thing.

    Letting go of the baggage, and hard lines of trying to pre-define what you are trying to create… and just letting the art come alive naturally.
    I find this to be true for me. When I’m just jamming and noodling, those are my best moments. The bob ross happy accident's. The things i couldn’t have done with intention.

    I always wanted to be a hiphop artist, but when i sit down to jam… i don’t make hiphop haha . I end up making some type of ambient dub because that’s just where the sounds take me.
    I can and have made hiphop but at the end of the day, what i started out to do… ended up being something completely different and I’ve been trying to accept that…. I try to blend what i like about hiphop and psych rock and jazz and blues into this thing that’s loosely defined as ambient.

    I had the "luck" that I had people around me who were already making beats and kinda showed me how to use samplers. Flipping loops wasn't really a challenge, what was the real challenge was digging records and listen through music I did't really like that much apart from the parts I ended up sampling.

    I found Techno and House much more like graff and tbh that's also where I had the most fun partying compared to Jiggy club Hip Hop or Trap.

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