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Drambo + Elektron Gear - What to choose?
Question for owners of Electron Digitakt/Digitone equipment.
I would like to enrich the setup with one of these equipments. I use Drambo heavily on a daily basis and would like to combine the sequencer from Elektron with the capabilities of Drambo.
What would you take in my place? Digitakt or Digitone? I am curious about your opinion and arguments 
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Depends on which route you want to go. One is a fm groove box, the other one is a sampler groove box. Second box can also be a Synth.
You have to tell more of your purpose.
@cam As I wrote earlier, I would like to combine this equipment with Drambo. I am more interested in the opinion of people who work in such a setup and how they use this combination. I can see a use for both, but I have some doubts, and I want to hear some arguments
Ok, I get the point. However both are different.
They work well together technically but since I have Drambo, my Digitakt mostly sits on the shelf. I love the immediacy of working with samples in the Digitakt and I can imagine the Digitone to be a nice tweakable synth box but in Drambo I'm a bit faster and less limited.
Also I found it quite annoying to keep the projects in sync with all the samples and presets.
It's important to have a number of project templates in Drambo so you don't have to build your set first before starting to jam.
Sampling in stereo and having polyphonic tracks is another biggie in Drambo that the Digitakt lacks.
Today I'd rather think about combining something like Gadget or Groove Rider with Drambo, on a second iPad connected via LINK.
@rs2000 I get a point!
I agree about the convenience of working with Drambo. I am a fan of Drambo and have no intention of getting rid of it. Personally, I separate the issues of song production and live act entertainment. I would like to use Elektron gear for live act purposes with Drambo. Also, a device with a stable clock and that I will connect to a colleague's setup.
The way I see it with the Digitone is that it will become a clock that will send a midi signal to, for example: drum samples from the Drambo. In the case of Digitakt, I had a similar idea.
You have pointed out some shortcomings of the Digitakt. It seems that the Drambo will be a better replacement for the Digitakt.
Personally, I've done a bit of testing with Elektron's hardware and have found strong similarities between the Drambo and Elektron's approach. Having the knobs and buttons in such a small form factor is convenient, and it is easier to develop muscle memory, which is key to working quickly and efficiently. I think you get the idea.
From a “practical” view and in terms of capabilities, I don’t think you’d gain much from one of the Elektron boxes compared to Drambo. That said, I own a Digitakt and it’s such a pleasure to play with. It feels fantastic, the workflow, the feel of the knobs… it’s a joy.
So I’d definitely recommend a Digitakt for the fun and inspiration.
I don’t think you’ll gain much from adding a Digitone or Digitakt. Their strengths are their sequencers, and Drambo’s sequencer is superior.
The Digitakt especially is a bit pointless, as you can already sample with Drambo. If you want the Digitone specifically for sound design, then that’s great, but if you sequence it with Drambo, you lose out on the tight integration of having the sequencer and sound engine in the same box.
I currently own a Digitone and Drambo. I used to own a Digitakt. I would not use them together.
@mistercharlie thank you for your feedback. You have clarified a point that has been bothering me about the Digitakt.
How do you use Digitone and Drambo? Do you sync them? And which sequencer do you use? Please, tell me more about it
"Their strengths are their sequencers, and Drambo’s sequencer is superior." I some respects it isn't. I have an OT: 256 patterns and 64 parts (kits - or set of racks comparing to DRambo) per performance with instant switching between patterns and parts. Drambo has no progeramme change, so you have one single set of racks / sounds to work and far fewer patterns within a performance. For live sets, Elektrons all the way.
I wouldn’t say its pointless. Again, it might be from a practical or capability standpoint. Yes, it’s completely redundant with Drambo, but it’s so much more fun, inmediate and inspiring… You can always sync them and do stuff on both. To me the physical interaction with the Digitakt is very rewarding.
Now that I think of it I’ve never tried controlling Drambo from one of the Digitakt’s midi channels, might give that a go. Make some rack presets with mappings… One thing I really don’t like about the Digitakt, and I guess Elektron devices in general, is how it’s not “compartmental”, if I want to have some midi tracks mapped to control Drambo, I’d have to do it in a project. I’d like to be on any drum project and be able to load a Drambo control track if I decide to.
I would get the Digitone. It’s a great FM Synth. You can replicate most of the Digitakt with Drambo and the Taktful Drambo module on PatchStorage;
https://patchstorage.com/the-taktful-drambo/
Here’s a video i did covering the module:
@echoopera Thanks for your opinion, I really appreciate your work in Drambo
Its not on your list, but I think an Analog Four makes a solid Drambo companion. Analog synthesis with polyphony and unison options. Also the ability to process external inputs. If you get a A4 MKII, the iPad can use it as a class-compliant audio interface and send its audio over USB, allowing for two additional external inputs and decreasing the number of wires. Also the MKII sounds better IMO.
Id keep it digital unless you then use a DAW.
In case you need sidechaining.
but its just my theory.
Obviously dont not buy something because of sidechaining.
Just don't. Do what @rs2000 suggested, use another iPad with GR16 or Novation Groovebox or Korg Electribe Wave or other iPad groovebox ..
With Elektron there is one big, very serious, risk.
Risk that you completely loose interest about using iPad at all and then you will need to invest more money to other Elektron boxes
)) This is exactly what happened to me in 2021 lol .. i started with Digitone drug .. Digitakt followed month after that .. Half year ago bought Syntakt and now Octatrack is already on the way, should arrive at end of week ..
I know it doesn't end there....
This is very risky ground, risk of serious addiction for which there is no cure
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I don't think the Digitone or Digitakt are useless in any sense, and hardware is better in plenty of ways. I just mean in the context of pairing them with Drambo. Sequencing the Digitakt with Drambo seems nuts, when it's the tight integration of the sequencer and the sample engine on the Digitakt that makes it so amazing.
...watching this thread with interest as I have my eyes on a Digitakt...
This exactly.
Ok, but what about Digitone? 😉
I actually use them both together sometimes. I make sequences on the Digitone and sample them into Drambo. I think that OP-1 F plus Digitone is a better combo though. Or would be, if audio went over the USB-C cable like it’s supposed to.
Edit: and your winky face was totally noticed 👍
But clocking Drambo with Digitakt or OT opens loads of new tracks and possibilities. @w-iro Which setup is optimal really depends on planned use: studio, live, live sets without stops? And genre. Without stating this is a bit like asking should I get a pickup truck with a loader trailer, or a camping van with a baggage trailer? Nobody can give you proper advice coz they haven't a clue what your usage, intentions and aims are.
"I would like to use Elektron gear for live act purposes with Drambo. Also, a device with a stable clock and that I will connect to a colleague's setup." I said that earlier in this topic.
Mainly I want to use to for live, live set purposes. I know and believe that Drambo has great potential to play live and this is what I would like to realize.
All that I want to know is how people who have Elektron gear are using Drambo or other iPad apps together
PS. No, I don't want another iPad in setup. I tested it, and I'm sick of more touch screens!
Live set with no interludes / breaks between tracks, like house, techno or any other dance orientated music? In that case, see my comment above regarding Drambo project limitations and Elektron advantages. If it's live ambient, or a live act in a band-like context, and you can pause master clock and change presets on Drambo, that's a different kettle of fish.
I've use the Octatrack to clock Drambo in home studio recordings - Drambo sync to the OT via an iConnectivity interface is solid. But without midi program change receive, Drambo for me is not usable for live performances.
I've been using Tera Pro standalone sequenced by the OT - I might use this for live as TP receives PC messages, stays in sync after program change and the previous preset plays till end of last note. For hosting, say a couple of synths and fx and clocking them from an Elektron, I'd use Audiobus because it syncs to and passes on external midi clock, whereas AUM doesn't. I need to test such a configuration VERY thoroughly though before taking it live.
Hope this is helpful for you
@ElectroHead it is very helpful! Thank you
@w_iro Oh cool, thanks. I'd add that if you use scenes a lot on Drambo, skip the Digitakt and go for an Octatrack. But there's the caveat that the OT isn't class compliant, so you'd need a midi interface (not expensive), or a midi and audio interface if you want to put the OT's audio through iOS effects. Then again, I don't know if midi over usb from digis into iOS is solid.
There is lot of discussion in topic Drambo vs. Octatrack for live performance .. there is one MAJOR disadvantage of Drambo for live performance when compared to Octatrack - i mean live performance of whole set, not just one song.
In Drambo you have fixed project configuration (i mean what modules are loaded in which track) and only what you can change from pattern to pattern are notes and automations.. to play next "song" in set, you basically need stop playback and load next project, hit play. If you want to have set with more pieces of HW/SW all synced together - this is big problem.
On Octatrack, you can resample currently playing output, then keep it looping and then switch to another pattern which loads completely different sounds in second - instantly in sync during playback (i mean different track machines, track effects, everything) while looped audio of previous track is still playing, and then you can smoothly crossfade to new pattern .. this allows you make continuous set of different "songs" within same project, without need of stopping audio and loading next project ..
Major difference and game changer for live performance. I wanted to include Drambo into my live set to play together with Syntakt/Digitakt/Digitone as Octatrack substitute but this was showstopper for me.
I use Drambo live.
My solution to having to load is having some external gear carry the set during gap. Eg. second iPad.
Yeah of course, on every problem there is solution, not arguing about that.. just wanted to point that one particular detail where Octa is totally superior to any other HW/SW groove box - one of main reasons i decided to buy it (after MONTHS of evaluation of all other possibilities and selling with strong pain in heart Virus and Analog Four to fund it lol)
Definitely. I came across many problems I had to solve with Drambo/ipad and do sometimes think hmm laptop or something like the Octa would have been a better choice. But either way I think it’s good to have something to keep things going should the master device crash or need time for loading/troubleshooting. In that sense you can’t go wrong with Elektron boxes.
I had an MK1 Octa years ago but I was doing more loop based music then and didn’t put in enough effort with it.