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I like the Marie Condo method: take a module or a groovebox into your hand and feel if it brings you joy. In case of software then take the iPad, mouse or keyboard into your hand.
Then if it brings you joy make it work in a setting with other gear that has passed this test.
I've been watching the Digitakt videos with interest, and it just seems like a fun thing to play with.
Sure, I can chop up samples and build sequences with Koala and similar iOS/desktop apps, but it's missing out the fun of live tweaking of pitch/ADSR/sample-start etc. that can be done with a hardware box.
I just wonder whether the more tedious menu-diving, sample loading part of the Elektron process is offset by all the fun live tweaking....but it's definitely got my attention for a place on 'The List'.
You get used to the menus, and they’re not really that bad. Most things you need to do are one level deep, like selecting an LFO destination
Thanks, yeah doesn’t look so bad in the videos I’ve watched.
Waiting for a job to come in, and may take the plunge if it does - my only worry is I might start lusting for more Elektron hardware if I get one!
Digitakt/Digitone/Syntakt has not much menu diving .. you have to menu dive once, when you configure device/project settings at beginning but then during jamming or even during composition you rarely need to go into menu.. all sections you need for editing sequences / sounds are always max ONE or TWO button or FN+BUTTON clicks away from where you are on on every screen all contoled elements are easily editable by 8 encoders.... at least for me everything was straightforward and easy from day one i bought my first elektron box.
Had many grooveboxes before (roland, korg, yamaha) but those Elektron boxes are definitly far away much more intuitive and easy to work with.
I also noticed one thing, with those elektron boxes i started to make much more attention to details, small things which makes big difference then in context of whole track - on iPad in DAW i was lazy to play with such small details, here when it have all buttons / knobs directly under my hands i really pay much more attention on details, small variations, stuff like that ..
Thanks for that!
Yes it definitely looks like there's less menu diving than some other 'grooveboxes' (I've got a Maschine MK3, and it looks more user friendly than that one), though it's hard to tell sometimes with the more experienced user videos - I need a slow-motion button for YouTube!
Having actual knobs will definitely encourage me to tweak the settings, and pay more attention to the actual sound coming out, rather than juggling a bunch of AUv3's via a glass screen. Overbridge will come in handy too, for final polishing on the desktop.
I noticed the prices have gone up a bit since the update, though I saw one on eBay, sold two weeks ago for £369: “Condition: Opened – never used”!
Yes, indeed, prices of used gear are right now higher than prices of new ones in early 2022 :<
I seem to remember a serious price drop just before xmas - the Syntakts went down to £599 new at one point, the same store now has them for £879!! £749 seems to be the average price for a new Digitakt now.
In a way a price increase is probably justified as they've had a bunch of new features added, still wish I'd grabbed one last year though!
Yes, they shifted prices up significatnly. I bought Syntakt (new) before Xmas in discount for 700 EUR which you mentioned, it was pretty smart move
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Btw. reconsider if you really want go to Digitakt .. i think it makes sense for that price (just 100 EUR less than Syntakt) only in case you are heavily into samples and sampling - otherwise Syntakt is amazing tool, for last 2 months it totaly pushed to background my Digitakt and Digitone - it's 12 tracks + analog master chain is monstrous thing, you can really finish very complex tracks on it (you can check my full psytrance set on Syntakt, shared it in "hardware" section on this forum
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I very, very nearly went for a Syntakt when it was released - even before the silly price drop - but plumped for an Ableton upgrade instead, but it’s still on my list - just not for £879!
I am a big sample fan though - my music is a bit out-there, so the Digitakt makes more sense. I’d initially discounted it because of its age, but the recent updates show it’s still very actively supported so it’s caught my eye again.
I wish the prices would calm down though, difficult to shell out for something you could have got 30% cheaper a few months back - I could have almost complimented the Elektron with a Chase Bliss pedal (also gone up) with the saving!
I bought the syntakt on the sale back in November of last year and then bought the digitakt a month or so ago. I don't even think about getting around in them anymore, your hands become automatic in a few weeks with the elektron paradigm. I've always got one of the two in my backpack with battery pack. I absolutely love these things.
Just curious, any tips for battery which can handle Syntakt ? I bough 24000 mAh battery but it can't feed Syntakt
Digitakt / Digitone without problems, but Syntakt obviously needs stronger current than those two ..
I have this one and it works great! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087C23HPK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Yeah, I can envisage lusting after a Syntakt next if I get the Digitakt. Then an Octatrak, some Chase Bliss pedals, an OP1 Field…
It’s a good job Mrs Monz0id doesn’t watch this forum…
update: I caught up for a good price and in super condition analog mk1 rhythm.
We'll see how the integration with iPad and Drambo goes
one tip for analog rhytm.. i had analog four but i think this detail is same on both .. when you create some pattern, don't forget to save also KIT for that pattern otherwhise when you switch to other patttern and you start tweaking sounds, you break sounds also in first pattern.. there is difference on Analog serie - sounds are stored in KIT, they are not automatically stored in pattern like on Digitakt/Digitone/Syntakt, you have to manually save kit for active pattern (or select some saved kit) .. this is similiar concept like "parts" on Octatrack where multiple patterns can share same "part" which holds basically information bout loaded samples and machines states on all tracks, independently from pattern note data
@dendy - any recommendations for good Digitakt user YouTube accounts worth watching?
Currently trying to summon up the courage to buy one at the new higher prices, and need a bit of a push!
@monz0id Good Digitakt YouTubes: Miles Kvundra, ezbot (although moztly Octatrack ), Dave Mech, Ivar Tryti.
Ah great stuff - thanks!
Those mentioned above plus also Substan ! Not tutorials only live jams with Elektron stuff, but top notch music quality ..
Also recently released ambient/chill sounds pack for Digitakt
(sound in Digitakt terminology is not just plain sample, digitakt "sound" is like "preset" - sample including envelopes/lgo/filter modulation)
Mutlu Karaköse has pretty good jams too, mostly techno but sometimes also ambient.
What would the minimum iPad spec be for an iPad for this purpose?
Ah brilliant stuff - thank you - that sorts out tonights entertainment!
All three are very efficient apps. I'm even using Drambo on an old iPad Mini 2 quite extensively.
My fastest iDevice is an iPad 6 from 2018 and I haven't yet reached its CPU limit with somewhat large projects so far.
Thank you for this tip!
100%. Sequencing the Digitakt from Drambo or any iOS app makes little sense. You can achieve every sound the Digitakt can do on an iPad and a lot more. If you’re not going to be physically interacting with the Digitakt it makes no sense.
What about the other way around?. Do you sequence iPad instruments from the Digitakt?. This would certainly make more sense if you want to build the patterns and performance on the Digitakt.
One thing I don’t like about the Digitakt is that there’s no “modularity” in the preset system… you can’t easily load a set of different sounds (kits) while keeping the sequencer data, and in the scenario above you’d have to save a session with all the midi track’s mappings. I’d love to be able to recall just a track’s preset. You know what I mean?. Like having a midi track mapped to a certain iOS app that you could recall in any project.
@tahiche You know what?
The 8 polyphonic MIDI tracks on the Digitakt were one of the reasons why I wanted one in the first place.
Then I've synced it with Gadget and Groove Rider. Quickly sampling stuff with the DT was fine and the iOS apps added the instrumentation that the Digitakt lacks, only that I didn't really use the MIDI tracks because as nice as the DT hardware controls and p-locks are, editing sequences on the iPad is much less limited than on the DT and it's much easier to handle and see multiple automation lanes.
I've also tried sequencing synths hosted in AUM from the DT but keeping both sides' configs and projects in sync felt a little awkward and wasn't half as inspiring as I had hoped.
Today I'd say the DT is best used standalone. I'd sample, tweak and sequence the hell out of it and then just record the result as an audio clip into my favorite iOS DAW, as building a song is so much more fun there.
I agree that handling kits on the DT could be more straightforward - elektron somewhat force you into using the box as they thought it should be used, on various levels. It's not that big of an issue as long as I'm sampling and mangling...
It still has its place here as the best hardware drum machine I've ever owned and treating it as "just that" (plus a nice quick sampler and sample mangling jam box) seems to be its most rewarding use for me.
This is not entirely true from multiple reasons .. Digitone's sound is quite unique thanks to few design decisions Elektron made when it created this engine and also overall sound thanks to how filter and filter drive is iplemented is quite unique (i would say it's most "analog" sounding FM synth in existence). I found overall sound character of Digitone pretty unique also in HW world, not speaking about SW..
Additionaly it has two audio rate (up to 2khz) LFOs which are expanding sonic range of synth very much - you can't find that much iOS synth with such fast LFOs ..
Sounds stored in kits instead of directly in patterns was one of main reasons why i sold Analog Four and bough Syntakt instead
It really depends on use case, i strongly prefer Digitone/Digitakt/Syntakt way o self-containing pattern and would love same concept on Octatrack instead of it's "parts"
It's probably cause for me "project" is whole set at every pattern is individual "track" .. totally understand that for other use cases the self-containing pattern may be not ideal
@tahiche I sometimes use the Digitone to sequence an 0-Coast, but it’s basic stuff. The Elektron midi tracks are off by default, so you have to enable them, set midi channels and map CCs if you want to do anything involving p-locks.
At that point, I’d rather use Drambo.
I agree that the Digitone and Digitakt are best used standalone (or together as one unit). Unless you’re using it just to make drum patterns to go with another device.
this jusz appeared in my YT feed … great Digitone presentation
I have that Digitone DX7 sound pack and it really is excellent.