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There’s always Audulus 4, which lacks the physical aspect, should be able to do virtually everything a physical modular can do, it’s just not as nice to use because it isn’t a toy with knobs on
I like to think of myself as very sensible and rational.
I was having a blast with MiRack when my first ipad broke. Decided to get a few cheap modules and explore Eurorack IRL. “Cheap” very quickly escalated to an embarrassing amount of money and many late nights studying modular synthesis. Finally sold it all and have not a single regret exiting the game. Bought a new iPad and got back to where I started.
I’d always chuckle to myself when people write how addicting Eurorack is. Expensive toys always are. Then I truly discovered it for myself. Whoa!
BEHRINGER SYSTEM 15 is now £799 at Andertons. That's really amazing.
But it will cost you a lot of time and money and you won't produce very much of anything anyone wants to listen to with it. Stick with ios if you want to make finished tracks.
Absolute load of crap, I listen to a lot of ambient / dark ambient that is done on modulars, complete albums and it sounds amazing.
You and I may like that stuff, but we are total outliers. Very few people who don't own euroracks want to listen to it. There are guys like Steevio and Colin whatsit who produce excellent dance music on modular, but they are outliers among modular musicians. And that kind of stuff is much more easily and quickly and cheaply produced on ipad.
Super jealous of the Make Noise rack. I’m not really itching to get into module but I do want the 0-Coast/Strega combo really bad.
If I could only keep one element of my setup, it’d be the Make Noise Tape and Microsound machine - a totally fab set of real-world sound mangling tools in one case. I added in a 2hp Midi to cv and the Mutable Instruments Ears preamp/scratch plate thing in the spare space it had, swapping out a mult, (because I can use leads for that if necessary.) It’s brilliant.
Most of the analogue eurorack modules allow you to push the sound much much further than ios apps.
The Analogue elements just sound more interesting when pushed, filters area great example. '
an IOS/VST Juno clone sounds very similar to the real analogue hardware but soon as you push the filter its sound completely different. Also, the audio rates you get on analogue gear is on a different level than an ios app. Analogue envelopes are a different ball game.
The best of both worlds is the sweet spot, using ios with eurorack, using a DAW with a fuzz pedal and a real tape echo etc...
@cyberheater
An idea is to decide on the size of the eurorack case you will use and make a commitment.... once i fill this case I have to sell a module in order to buy a new one. However, is it worth the effort and money? mmm I must say I'm not using my eurorack that much. I love it though.
my fairly small case has taken me almost ten years of buying/selling secondhand gear, quite the effort indeed!
It’s not the principle of the thing, it’s the money! [thumps table]
Thanks.
This! You don't need a whole wall of modules to properly "do" modular. Sure, if you want a self-playing generative experiment box with 6 voices and drums, you're looking at the cost of a very decent second hand car.
OTOH, a 3 osc monosynth with wavefolding, say two filters doesn't have to break the bank - can be cheaper and more versatile than a high-end fixed architecture mono.
IMO, go for quality over quantity.
Semi-modulars can be a cost-effective centre-piece for a flexible modular system. The Pittsburgh Modular semis sound excellent and have a lot functionality for the price. Second-hand Doepfer = excellent quality for price.
A bit of a cheaper route is DIY. Utility modules like passive mults and attenuators are very easy to solder together and cost a lot less that way than buying the prebuilt module. I cringe very hard when I see passive modules being sold for like $30+ cos a lot of people will buy them unaware of how cheap it is to make them. Arduino can take you really far as well
Turn back, Sarah. Before it's too late.
My trajectory mirrors @Svetlovska 's. I got a Neutron to dabble with, then a Crave, then the other Behringer semimodular modules and put them in a couple of 4-tier stands as a faux-Eurorack setup, until as of today...
(the other semimodular stuff is in the overflow closet.)
Sigh And I'm a "guitarist"...
I'm an electronics nerd and programmer though, and also got intrigued by the DIY potential. This is like an adult (and expensive) version of the "200-in-One" electronics kits that I had as a kid -- and it makes the same siren noises (but now I have stereo, and delays, and reverbs...)
hihih, its alive! still plenty of space to get more modules i see... the story continues!
I have 5hp space left.. i must not buy a bigger case! resist! HELP!
My problem is limited space.
Yes! That's the problem. I splurged on an heirloom cabinet and wanted to make sure it had room to grow, but there's something to be said about having restrictions to help reduce impulse module purchases.
That damn Neutron! Barely got mine out of the box when I started buying the hard stuff. Started exactly a year ago tomorrow (Apr 1st) Now, I'm in danger of catching up on @Svetlovska and @Liquidmantis . Can't show a picture of mine because it's always in pieces, littered around the house.
Decided early on to make my own smaller cases so I could work out what I was doing. Broke the modular grid free account limit a few weeks ago. Currently planning a larger case so I can start stringing them altogether and won't need so many power supplies and output modules.
Any regrets? None! Spent a small fortune, more than I should have. But in my defence, several people close to me developed fairly serious conditions around this time, made me think that I should just go for it rather than waiting.
Lol I got a model d and then used my phone as a modulation source and it was fun so then I got a werkstatt for more modulation and then just went full blown eurorack and then the needle was plunged
Space …the final frontier
Also, money …the final final frontier v2
You’re right. Eurorack is Heathkit for adults.
I'm thinking about jumping in for a second time. I purged all Eurocrack in 2016; I had about 1000hp. My favorite module was the WMD Synchrodyne and its Expander, but WMD has closed shop, so I'm dragging my feet. I have an East Beast and may get a West Pest and a Mantis case plus a few utility modules (Manhattan MVP, Doepfer S&H, etc.)
I'm still in the early stages of a VERY slow & small eurorack build. So all of this comes from me as a specific person, with specific thoughts & perspectives.
It's wildly expensive. That's what you really need to know. I've been keeping track of my every expense on a spreadsheet so as not to kid myself on how much it actually costs. In my case, I'm buying mostly second-hand modules at VERY good prices and my actual rig cost has been about $800 higher than what modular grid thinks the rig should cost. (& modular grid reports only retail costs of modules). The case, power cables, knurlies, cables, bits & bob accessories really pile up over & above module cost. & now i'm also starting to sweat the inevitable cost of things breaking/malfunctioning over the long term.
The other thing I'd advise folks ahead of time is to REALLY spend some time to plan out how a eurorack rig is gonna fit in your workflow. If you want two independent voices in the synth - ok, so how are you gonna record that?
Or
-Mute one voice to record that & then sync it manually in Ableton/Cubasis/Aum/Loopy pro? Are you ready to notate bpms in every filename & ready to square the circle of: everything's at BPM A & your eurorack is reporting that is is BPM A, but is really BPM A offset by a significant and fluctuating amount?
Or
-Are you gonna need a multi track audio interface to grab each voice independently? Cause now that's real money you'll have to spend in addition.
Also - for really real. Start very slow and very small. You could make a career's worth of music with a teeny case that has a midi to CV module, 1 (one) Plaits (or favorite clone), 1 (one) Peaks (or clone) and an ipad. My modular grid setups got refactored drastically once i got my first couple modules & I realized what I really wanted & what I thought I wanted.
& it's also true: big fancy modules are cool, but it's all the weird, mathy, utility modules that really make things come alive: the (matrix)mixers, the offsets, the smooth random generators, the sample & holds, the clock dividers, the control surfaces, the stuff from ladik, etc.
Having said all that - i find working with my little synth very rewarding & it can lead to massive amounts of vanished time, in a good way. I do find the knobs & cables more satisfying than using the virtual cables in MiRack or dialing in values in a mod matrix. Also - I find that my Plaits (clone) sounds better than mi-rack/VCV rack's macro oscillator 2.
& lastly, I don't have words for this really, but i've got a couple modules that help create generative music & it's a new and exciting experience to almost have a dialog or back & forth with this little customized-to-my-tastes box, to make sounds that I like, in a way that's VERY different feeling than playing guitar & recording that, or working with soft synths in Ableton/Loopy Pro.
If I had all the money in the bank & would I do it again? That's hard to say. At this moment, 50.1% of me says maybe yes. 49.9% of me says I should get a spend more time with Ableton/Loopy Pro, Aalto synth & VCV rack as VSTs. because their power, workflow & extensibility are just incredible compared to hardware.
Ok thanks for listening if you've gotten this far!
I didn’t hear they went out. I have a Synchrodyne too. Love that thing.
You can read about WMD's closing shop here:
https://wmdevices.com/blogs/news/important-news
https://www.modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=264861
Do you have the Expander? That really opens things up for more experimentation. It makes sounds that I've never heard before, even in software.
Funny thing was, the Synchrodyne was my second module ever, and I learned a lot from it.
It's what prompted me to start developing audio units to control analog synths.
I started with a Pittsburgh Modular Foundation 3.1+ then, over time added a second row of modules so it could be used as a two voice synth with some additions:
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It's almost 100% Pittsburgh (there's a Manhattan Analog CVP hiding in there) and it's never grown beyond this, mainly because I prefer programmable synths (I like to be able to save my sounds
There's also a second, small, Intellijel case with three Expert Sleepers modules (ES-8, ES-5, ESX-8CV) and a couple of eurorack compatible semi-modular synths: a Studio Electronics Boomstar SEM and a Dreadbox Erebus mk2.
That case looks awesome! it's like something from1950's sci fi movie.
I never got the Synchrodyne expander. I really wanted the expanders for the WMD micro hadron collider, but never could find either one. Love that filter too.