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Rick Beato - "The Top Ten Songs Are...Horrible?"

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  • sevenapesevenape

    @tahiche said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Guys, I mean, until you've written a song THIS GOOD, you don't have the right to criticize Mr. Beato.

    For the record, I like Rick's videos and his obvious enthusiasm for music. I even can overlook the cornball sideburns and that mouthful-of-Lemonheads face he makes for every single sweet guitar lick that he hears. But this "Carolina" song, which he produced and cowrote? It's total shit. It's a blight on the airwaves, a cynical, studio-engineered anthem for people who consume music but don't really like it. It's borderline unforgivable. But I'm not going to make a YouTube video about how bad it is, because that's a waste of time.

    Spot on. This is utter formula crap, actually worse and more annoying than the shitty songs on the video.

    Is it a parody song!?

  • TelefunkyTelefunky

    I survived 1min 25 sec of this... :# then bailed out

  • NeuMNeuM

    @tahiche said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Guys, I mean, until you've written a song THIS GOOD, you don't have the right to criticize Mr. Beato.

    For the record, I like Rick's videos and his obvious enthusiasm for music. I even can overlook the cornball sideburns and that mouthful-of-Lemonheads face he makes for every single sweet guitar lick that he hears. But this "Carolina" song, which he produced and cowrote? It's total shit. It's a blight on the airwaves, a cynical, studio-engineered anthem for people who consume music but don't really like it. It's borderline unforgivable. But I'm not going to make a YouTube video about how bad it is, because that's a waste of time.

    Spot on. This is utter formula crap, actually worse and more annoying than the shitty songs on the video.

    It’s a pop song. Was it successful? If so, then he did his job well.

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @tahiche said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Guys, I mean, until you've written a song THIS GOOD, you don't have the right to criticize Mr. Beato.

    For the record, I like Rick's videos and his obvious enthusiasm for music. I even can overlook the cornball sideburns and that mouthful-of-Lemonheads face he makes for every single sweet guitar lick that he hears. But this "Carolina" song, which he produced and cowrote? It's total shit. It's a blight on the airwaves, a cynical, studio-engineered anthem for people who consume music but don't really like it. It's borderline unforgivable. But I'm not going to make a YouTube video about how bad it is, because that's a waste of time.

    Spot on. This is utter formula crap, actually worse and more annoying than the shitty songs on the video.

    That’s so bad it could be a Nickelback song.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @michael_m said:

    @tahiche said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Guys, I mean, until you've written a song THIS GOOD, you don't have the right to criticize Mr. Beato.

    For the record, I like Rick's videos and his obvious enthusiasm for music. I even can overlook the cornball sideburns and that mouthful-of-Lemonheads face he makes for every single sweet guitar lick that he hears. But this "Carolina" song, which he produced and cowrote? It's total shit. It's a blight on the airwaves, a cynical, studio-engineered anthem for people who consume music but don't really like it. It's borderline unforgivable. But I'm not going to make a YouTube video about how bad it is, because that's a waste of time.

    Spot on. This is utter formula crap, actually worse and more annoying than the shitty songs on the video.

    That’s so bad it could be a Nickelback song.

    😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited April 2023

    Well, I just answered my own question. It was a hit. Rick Beato did his job well.

    If anyone here has a #1 hit on any of the charts, feel free to criticize. :)

    "Carolina" debuted at number 58 on the U.S. Billboard Country Airplay chart for the week of February 16, 2013.[9] It also debuted at number 50 on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs chart for the week of April 6, 2013. It also debuted at number 93 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart for the week of October 5, 2013. On the Country Airplay chart dated December 21, 2013, "Carolina" became Parmalee's first number one country hit. It would remain their only number one single until over seven years later, when they topped the chart a second time with "Just the Way" in March 2021. It sold 685,000 copies in the US by January 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_(Parmalee_song)

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited April 2023

    By the way, Anderton's Music has a one hour interview with Rick Beato (for any interested here).

  • tahichetahiche

    @NeuM said:
    Well, I just answered my own question. It was a hit. Rick Beato did his job well.

    If anyone here has a #1 hit on any of the charts, feel free to criticize. :)

    "Carolina" debuted at number 58 on the U.S. Billboard Country Airplay chart for the week of February 16, 2013.[9] It also debuted at number 50 on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs chart for the week of April 6, 2013. It also debuted at number 93 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart for the week of October 5, 2013. On the Country Airplay chart dated December 21, 2013, "Carolina" became Parmalee's first number one country hit. It would remain their only number one single until over seven years later, when they topped the chart a second time with "Just the Way" in March 2021. It sold 685,000 copies in the US by January 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_(Parmalee_song)

    Good for him, he’s obviously done his job and well deserved. He’s extremely knowledgeable, technically excellent and I like his communication style. If you read my post I agree with his analysis of the top 10 songs in the video.
    BUT I’d like to see him review his own “Carolina”. It’s very much the exact same things he criticizes. Unoriginal, bland, predictable, uninteresting… He’s still a great producer and musician, I think bringing up this song raised a very valid point.
    So in this “Carolina” scenario and applying it to his video

    If anyone here has a #1 hit on any of the charts, feel free to criticize. :)

    It’d be more “if you don’t make bland formula songs feel free to criticize”. What the hell, everyone’s free to criticize. He’s right about his comments on those songs the same way the critics to Carolina are valid for the exact same reasons.

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @NeuM said:
    Well, I just answered my own question. It was a hit. Rick Beato did his job well.

    If anyone here has a #1 hit on any of the charts, feel free to criticize. :)

    "Carolina" debuted at number 58 on the U.S. Billboard Country Airplay chart for the week of February 16, 2013.[9] It also debuted at number 50 on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs chart for the week of April 6, 2013. It also debuted at number 93 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart for the week of October 5, 2013. On the Country Airplay chart dated December 21, 2013, "Carolina" became Parmalee's first number one country hit. It would remain their only number one single until over seven years later, when they topped the chart a second time with "Just the Way" in March 2021. It sold 685,000 copies in the US by January 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_(Parmalee_song)

    Hey, you put those goalposts back right now!

    Nobody said anything about "doing a job well"! Beato is criticizing the artistry and the sophistication of the Top 10 of Spotify. It's perfectly fair to criticize "Carolina" on the same grounds. But I have no doubt that there are people who have played "Carolina" at their weddings. Somebody must love that song. (Or is it like the Hootie and the Blowfish record that sold a zillion copies and yet somehow i have never met anybody who actually owned it?)

    And the tautology of "it must be good if it's No. 1 on the charts" is not the kind of logic I'm willing to follow off a cliff.

    A really interesting take on the subject of "terrible music" is a book by Carl Wilson (not that one) for the 33 1/3 series. He wrote about Celine Dion's "Let's Talk About Love."

    It's been expanded to include other essays. "Let's Talk About Love: Why Other People Have Such Bad Taste."

  • NeuMNeuM

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @NeuM said:
    Well, I just answered my own question. It was a hit. Rick Beato did his job well.

    If anyone here has a #1 hit on any of the charts, feel free to criticize. :)

    "Carolina" debuted at number 58 on the U.S. Billboard Country Airplay chart for the week of February 16, 2013.[9] It also debuted at number 50 on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs chart for the week of April 6, 2013. It also debuted at number 93 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart for the week of October 5, 2013. On the Country Airplay chart dated December 21, 2013, "Carolina" became Parmalee's first number one country hit. It would remain their only number one single until over seven years later, when they topped the chart a second time with "Just the Way" in March 2021. It sold 685,000 copies in the US by January 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_(Parmalee_song)

    Hey, you put those goalposts back right now!

    Nobody said anything about "doing a job well"! Beato is criticizing the artistry and the sophistication of the Top 10 of Spotify. It's perfectly fair to criticize "Carolina" on the same grounds. But I have no doubt that there are people who have played "Carolina" at their weddings. Somebody must love that song. (Or is it like the Hootie and the Blowfish record that sold a zillion copies and yet somehow i have never met anybody who actually owned it?)

    And the tautology of "it must be good if it's No. 1 on the charts" is not the kind of logic I'm willing to follow off a cliff.

    A really interesting take on the subject of "terrible music" is a book by Carl Wilson (not that one) for the 33 1/3 series. He wrote about Celine Dion's "Let's Talk About Love."

    It's been expanded to include other essays. "Let's Talk About Love: Why Other People Have Such Bad Taste."

    It’s perfectly valid to criticize a song based on any criteria since songs are art and art is completely subjective.

    As far as I’m concerned, Rick’s job as engineer/writer/producer for that band was to help them create a hit song so their career would take off and he delivered that. 👍

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    A really interesting take on the subject of "terrible music" is a book by Carl Wilson (not that one) for the 33 1/3 series. He wrote about Celine Dion's "Let's Talk About Love."

    It's been expanded to include other essays. "Let's Talk About Love: Why Other People Have Such Bad Taste."

    Looks interesting, I'll take a look.

    It's always hard to separate music from culture, and it's fair to say that mainstream music is often terrible - not just in this decade but literally in every decade. Growing up in the eighties and nineties and following the charts, watching Top of the Pops every week, it was dreadful. A good band being on TV because they had a hit was a major event that people would talk about in school, because it was rare. On the whole the charts were full of crap.

    I didn't really fancy watching the whole Rick Beato video but I did skip to the end knowing that Miley Cyrus was number one, because as it happens I like the song and I think she has an extraordinary voice (if anyone has not heard her rendition of Metallica's Nothing Else Matters go and listen to it now, it's mind-blowing). He was pretty complimentary about the song and her voice, so maybe he's not just an old man yelling at clouds.

    Personally I always try and listen to music without paying attention to the cultural baggage if possible, which is why I'm happy to admit I like Miley Cyrus, Katie Perry, and Billie Eilish. I don't like Taylor Swift though, not because she isn't "cool", but because I find her music boring and uninspiring. Of course millions of her fans disagree with me about that, so maybe I should go and read that book you mentioned :)

  • tahichetahiche
    edited April 2023

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @NeuM said:
    Well, I just answered my own question. It was a hit. Rick Beato did his job well.

    If anyone here has a #1 hit on any of the charts, feel free to criticize. :)

    "Carolina" debuted at number 58 on the U.S. Billboard Country Airplay chart for the week of February 16, 2013.[9] It also debuted at number 50 on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs chart for the week of April 6, 2013. It also debuted at number 93 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart for the week of October 5, 2013. On the Country Airplay chart dated December 21, 2013, "Carolina" became Parmalee's first number one country hit. It would remain their only number one single until over seven years later, when they topped the chart a second time with "Just the Way" in March 2021. It sold 685,000 copies in the US by January 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_(Parmalee_song)

    Hey, you put those goalposts back right now!

    Nobody said anything about "doing a job well"! Beato is criticizing the artistry and the sophistication of the Top 10 of Spotify. It's perfectly fair to criticize "Carolina" on the same grounds. But I have no doubt that there are people who have played "Carolina" at their weddings. Somebody must love that song. (Or is it like the Hootie and the Blowfish record that sold a zillion copies and yet somehow i have never met anybody who actually owned it?)

    And the tautology of "it must be good if it's No. 1 on the charts" is not the kind of logic I'm willing to follow off a cliff.

    A really interesting take on the subject of "terrible music" is a book by Carl Wilson (not that one) for the 33 1/3 series. He wrote about Celine Dion's "Let's Talk About Love."

    It's been expanded to include other essays. "Let's Talk About Love: Why Other People Have Such Bad Taste."

    Wonderful book!. Highly recommend it.
    In Spanish it was translated to “Musica de mierda”, literally “Shit music”

    @richardyot +1 on Billie Eilish, great songs, amazing production, superb voice and very personal. IMO on a totally different league to the other ones you mention.

  • taeotaeo

    Yeah that SZA track has some dope production

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy

    Beato is a fantastic musician, but he makes YT content for the clicks and especially in the early days that was all he was moaning about... 'why doesn't my channel get more clicks?' then he made that apple rant.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    Beato is a fantastic musician, but he makes YT content for the clicks and especially in the early days that was all he was moaning about... 'why doesn't my channel get more clicks?' then he made that apple rant.

    That Apple rant is how I discovered him. 😂

    I'm glad I created this thread. So many interesting points of view here. :)

  • cabocabo
    edited April 2023

    Yes to Miley (though that 'Flowers' song is the first one from her I really like) and YES to Billie Eilish, she's (or rather they're) just brilliant. I also like the latest SZA album very much, same with Rosalia. And I listen to new music each and every day and mainly enjoy it. Not every song of course but there's always some good ones, as well as amazing new artists with a lot of talent and skills. And I'm pretty old now too.

    Rick Beato is just into these old fashion kind of stuff and living in the past in this regard. His knowledge and ability to explain things is still impressing. Telling me things about new music or actual charts even, definitely nothing to care about or to take seriously.

  • KirbyMumboKirbyMumbo

    The older I get, the more the discussion on "objective musical quality" gets lost on me. Music enjoyment is inherently subjective. There are no objective variables on quality when it comes to personal taste and enjoyment. There are quantitative, objective elements that might matter to different people but how much that objective element matters to someone is subjective.

    As for Rick Beato's vid, I've never seen this guy mentioned outside the context of negativity and complaining. He seems to make a lot of ragebait videos to generate clicks.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2023

    nvm

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @KirbyMumbo said:
    The older I get, the more the discussion on "objective musical quality" gets lost on me. Music enjoyment is inherently subjective. There are no objective variables on quality when it comes to personal taste and enjoyment. There are quantitative, objective elements that might matter to different people but how much that objective element matters to someone is subjective.

    As for Rick Beato's vid, I've never seen this guy mentioned outside the context of negativity and complaining. He seems to make a lot of ragebait videos to generate clicks.

    Unfortunately that’s the way of things with many YouTubers. He has so much more to offer, yet goes for the lowest common denominator subjects for many of his videos.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @michael_m said:

    @KirbyMumbo said:
    The older I get, the more the discussion on "objective musical quality" gets lost on me. Music enjoyment is inherently subjective. There are no objective variables on quality when it comes to personal taste and enjoyment. There are quantitative, objective elements that might matter to different people but how much that objective element matters to someone is subjective.

    As for Rick Beato's vid, I've never seen this guy mentioned outside the context of negativity and complaining. He seems to make a lot of ragebait videos to generate clicks.

    Unfortunately that’s the way of things with many YouTubers. He has so much more to offer, yet goes for the lowest common denominator subjects for many of his videos.

    Sounds like the opposite of "goofy thumbnails". 😂 I'd still rather watch a video of an old man yelling "get off my lawn" than one of those "a-hyuk, gawrsh, this is supposed to be funny" videos with a cringe thumbnail.

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @michael_m said:

    @KirbyMumbo said:
    The older I get, the more the discussion on "objective musical quality" gets lost on me. Music enjoyment is inherently subjective. There are no objective variables on quality when it comes to personal taste and enjoyment. There are quantitative, objective elements that might matter to different people but how much that objective element matters to someone is subjective.

    As for Rick Beato's vid, I've never seen this guy mentioned outside the context of negativity and complaining. He seems to make a lot of ragebait videos to generate clicks.

    Unfortunately that’s the way of things with many YouTubers. He has so much more to offer, yet goes for the lowest common denominator subjects for many of his videos.

    Sounds like the opposite of "goofy thumbnails". 😂 I'd still rather watch a video of an old man yelling "get off my lawn" than one of those "a-hyuk, gawrsh, this is supposed to be funny" videos with a cringe thumbnail.

    Probably the same with me, but either way his style is not my cup of tea.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @michael_m said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @michael_m said:

    @KirbyMumbo said:
    The older I get, the more the discussion on "objective musical quality" gets lost on me. Music enjoyment is inherently subjective. There are no objective variables on quality when it comes to personal taste and enjoyment. There are quantitative, objective elements that might matter to different people but how much that objective element matters to someone is subjective.

    As for Rick Beato's vid, I've never seen this guy mentioned outside the context of negativity and complaining. He seems to make a lot of ragebait videos to generate clicks.

    Unfortunately that’s the way of things with many YouTubers. He has so much more to offer, yet goes for the lowest common denominator subjects for many of his videos.

    Sounds like the opposite of "goofy thumbnails". 😂 I'd still rather watch a video of an old man yelling "get off my lawn" than one of those "a-hyuk, gawrsh, this is supposed to be funny" videos with a cringe thumbnail.

    Probably the same with me, but either way his style is not my cup of tea.

    That's fair. :) Rick doesn't appeal to everyone. I myself like his commentaries precisely because they are often interesting to me, and sometimes his brutal honesty while "trying to find something positive to say" cracks me up. 😂

    I do like Miley's voice a lot by the by. I wish I could get Miley on one of my tracks. Probably would cost me millions of dollars I don't have.

  • abfabf

    Rick Beato included Afternoon Delight and Seasons In The Sun in his "one hit wonders of the seventies" video. Then he sat there listening to both songs and pointing his finger to the beats like he was enjoying it. I watched a grown man with headphones on listen to Afternoon Delight. That is some low bar entertainment right there.

    He failed to include some songs that popped right into my head, even though it's an era before my time. Like Patti Smith Because The Night. He rocked out to "but the stars that we reach are just starfish on the beach" instead.

    I don't share his taste. Mostly I find his old guy opinion predictable, and so pretty boring. That's why I only watch if I'm working out and can't think of anything else to YouTube.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @KirbyMumbo said:
    The older I get, the more the discussion on "objective musical quality" gets lost on me. Music enjoyment is inherently subjective. There are no objective variables on quality when it comes to personal taste and enjoyment. There are quantitative, objective elements that might matter to different people but how much that objective element matters to someone is subjective.

    As for Rick Beato's vid, I've never seen this guy mentioned outside the context of negativity and complaining. He seems to make a lot of ragebait videos to generate clicks.

    That is absolutely incorrect. Beato is generally very positive about the music he reviews. And there are few people on YouTube who provide more free music education for viewers.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @abf said:
    Rick Beato included Afternoon Delight and Seasons In The Sun in his "one hit wonders of the seventies" video. Then he sat there listening to both songs and pointing his finger to the beats like he was enjoying it. I watched a grown man with headphones on listen to Afternoon Delight. That is some low bar entertainment right there.

    He failed to include some songs that popped right into my head, even though it's an era before my time. Like Patti Smith Because The Night. He rocked out to "but the stars that we reach are just starfish on the beach" instead.

    I don't share his taste. Mostly I find his old guy opinion predictable, and so pretty boring. That's why I only watch if I'm working out and can't think of anything else to YouTube.

    Everyone’s entitled their own opinion of course, but I appreciate his analysis and (more recently) his interviews. He never dumbs down his content and treats the music he features and the guests he has on with respect.

    Frankly, I’m shocked to see such negative comments about him here. The guy has done more for music education over the past ten years or so than anyone else I can think of.

  • LeeBLeeB

    @NeuM said:

    @abf said:
    Rick Beato included Afternoon Delight and Seasons In The Sun in his "one hit wonders of the seventies" video. Then he sat there listening to both songs and pointing his finger to the beats like he was enjoying it. I watched a grown man with headphones on listen to Afternoon Delight. That is some low bar entertainment right there.

    He failed to include some songs that popped right into my head, even though it's an era before my time. Like Patti Smith Because The Night. He rocked out to "but the stars that we reach are just starfish on the beach" instead.

    I don't share his taste. Mostly I find his old guy opinion predictable, and so pretty boring. That's why I only watch if I'm working out and can't think of anything else to YouTube.

    Everyone’s entitled their own opinion of course, but I appreciate his analysis and (more recently) his interviews. He never dumbs down his content and treats the music he features and the guests he has on with respect.

    Frankly, I’m shocked to see such negative comments about him here. The guy has done more for music education over the past ten years or so than anyone else I can think of.

    I’ve never heard of him.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2023

    The age of it not being OK to say what you really think. 😐
    I think it started about the time disagreeing with someone became "hating on" them.
    When did stating an opinion begin to be assumed to be pushing your opinion on others? It'd be great if stating an opinion could instead be seen as an opportunity for a lively discussion.

    I think society is pushing out more and more useful dialog as it becomes less and less acceptable to have a strong opinion. I'm vastly guilty of that myself, but trying to train myself not to be.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @KirbyMumbo said:
    The older I get, the more the discussion on "objective musical quality" gets lost on me. Music enjoyment is inherently subjective. There are no objective variables on quality when it comes to personal taste and enjoyment. There are quantitative, objective elements that might matter to different people but how much that objective element matters to someone is subjective.

    As for Rick Beato's vid, I've never seen this guy mentioned outside the context of negativity and complaining. He seems to make a lot of ragebait videos to generate clicks.

    Then you have seen a skewed sampling of his videos. I personally have no interest in his critiques on contemporary pop but he does tons more than that.

    He has some excellent music theory videos, excellent breakdowns of great solos, some excellent interviews with musicians where they get into interesting technical aspects of things. The What Makes This Song Great series often provides fascinating breakdowns of great recordings.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @NeuM said:

    @KirbyMumbo said:
    The older I get, the more the discussion on "objective musical quality" gets lost on me. Music enjoyment is inherently subjective. There are no objective variables on quality when it comes to personal taste and enjoyment. There are quantitative, objective elements that might matter to different people but how much that objective element matters to someone is subjective.

    As for Rick Beato's vid, I've never seen this guy mentioned outside the context of negativity and complaining. He seems to make a lot of ragebait videos to generate clicks.

    That is absolutely incorrect. Beato is generally very positive about the music he reviews. And there are few people on YouTube who provide more free music education for viewers.

    Agreed, and his interviews are a great watch too.
    There are quite a few more on Youtube though, like Jacob Collier, Adam Neely, Nahre Sol, 12tone and many others.

  • sevenapesevenape

    This is more my cup of tea:

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