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Too much control = less musical fun

It’s tough getting some deeper content on the forum now. This is about life but it does apply to our self imposed music creating/producing judgements. This has one of my favorite Taoist stories… “Good luck, bad luck, who knows?”

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  • @LinearLineman said:
    It’s tough getting some deeper content on the forum now. This is about life but it does apply to our self imposed music creating/producing judgements. This has one of my favorite Taoist stories… “Good luck, bad luck, who knows?”

    Love it. What a fun app. Separate audio outs would be such a huge boon.

  • Not a great parallel...
    While the nature is uncontrollable, a forum isn’t or shouldn’t be...
    If/when the unstoppable does happen it will be easy to control by removing the causing elements, so if nothing else it’s a way to easily monitor the situation...
    Btw, the video states opinions are within our control, the question is how we choose to do so... and apparently we have been failing... with what I completely agree... it’s generally the same few riling up themselves and others for amusement.

  • edited April 2023

    Not sure what you mean @0tolerance4silence. When @Michael eliminated off topic there no longer is a place for philosophical cum spiritual discussion.

    As to music, some of us here never finish tracks because of feeling their work needs to be refined or controlled until perfection is achieved… a hopeless task. For me, personally, at least 75% of what I do comes from letting go of control by my judgmental mind.

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr i think you’ve lost control of your threads. 😉

  • Good, that means you’re doing great :)

  • I used to be a control freak behind the virtual mixing desk. :lol: I'd slap on a s***load of effects to try and make things sound good, when in reality I was making things sound worse. This was back when I used a PC. Using Gadget made me rethink how I mixed sound given I'm limited to five IFX, and now it's as simple as highpassing instruments that are not the bass and kickdrum (although not too much highpassing lest a sound becomes too thin), and then mixing into a limiter. Reverb to taste depending on the genre. Etc. :)

  • I think we can balance this discussion so it can still remain topical for the forum.

    Letting go is something I’ve personally been focused on a lot recently. Really being aware of where my thoughts are at any given moment compared to what my direct experience is.

    This approach is part of the everyday experience.

    Finishing tracks - I guess there is a point where it might feel complete, but I never seem to have any real clarity until months (maybe even longer) after I have put something together as to whether my judgemental mind can let it through. Does this mean I’m not in the moment as much as I would like to think I am?
    I get concerned that I have been listening to a part for so long that at this level of focus I am hearing things that actually don’t exist or exist in totally different relationship to how I perceive them to be and I can’t let go of that perspective until I’ve given it a substantial break.

  • Thanks for the vid. This is exactly what I have been encountering in my own life in iOS and beyond. How much control do we actually have in this world and the creative process?

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    Love it. What a fun app. Separate audio outs would be such a huge boon.

    It would be handy to have it as an AUv3…somehow I feel Drambo might be the answer.

  • edited April 2023

    @LinearLineman said:
    When @Michael eliminated off topic there no longer is a place for philosophical cum spiritual discussion.

    Good.

    The Forum is better of without it. There are less heated arguments now.

    It is the "Audiobus Forum", not "The Meaning Of Life Forum". There are lots of other places on the net to discuss that stuff.

  • edited April 2023

    In many thing « more is less » and iOS music production process to be a joy , to my opinion, need to focus on what is essential. Ie : even if a great app is released and stable you want more and more of non essential features in it and even compare it to Drambo, A Swiss knife in the hype but who use it here fully ?

    I want to tell you, you as a past dev why is it not good to push iOS dev to add too much non essential thing to an app and what is essential : more you add more the apps become confusing and worst when it come to stability and bugs.

    A bit like if you did a great song using 32 tracks on a daw and rather to release it you want to have 64 track or even 128 tracks just because you think that is more professional to add more and more layers and effects , silly isn’t it ?

    Good dev like did @brambos update for Gauss only what is essential and keep focus this great tool.

  • edited April 2023

    @simon, @BerlinFx, I have friends here and general good feeling toward everyone. . Community is about sharing. People here have had losses or joys they like, and even need to share. Without off topic there is no place for that or anything else apart from app/hardware discussion, dead musicians, NAMM and sharing tracks. To me it makes it less human and I’m less interested in participating, or, for that matter, sharing. There’s less room for humor, too. How much can you joke about iOS and dead guys.

    I should add this is the only forum I use. To discuss living on a forum about “living” with the usual critical “bunch” doesn’t interest me. There have been full bodied, smart, well rounded people here interested in anything and everything with great thoughts about it all. When people here talk about their lives it inspires me to move through life’s difficulties and celebrate their successes. @Daveypoo moved his family to Italy. I guess he couldn’t announce that as there’s no place for it. There was a member years back that shared the difficulty he was having with his daughter. He felt safe here and he got back tremendous support and love. @thesoundtestroom has come here (and rightly so) to share personal issues and he found a lot of people who cared about him and Jo. That’s off topic but it is community topic.

    You can ban politics and religion. I have no problem with that. I pmd @Michael to give my support to removing Recent Events. I didn’t realize anything non musical would go. If that’s it, so be it. I’m grateful to have the friends I made here during the past five years, including our beloved founder. I doubt there will be any more. I also see the threads aren’t moving as quickly as they used to. I don’t know if there’s a connection, but I am losing interest. I can’t speak, of course, for anyone else.

    This forum helped me acquire the knowledge to make iOS music and it did it with gentleness and bonhomie (why only one “m” in bonhomie? Oops, sorry, no place for that).
    I’m sure you’ve been other places. It’s cold out there, but it was warm in here. Someone once advised me to find friends elsewhere suggesting, I guess, this is not the place for that.
    I can see it. Why find friends when you really just need some free information.

  • you are a good fellow with a good spirit.

  • My gut tells me that the AudioBus forum reached its prime some time ago and it's all downhill from there on forward...
    ...what I see is a stronger push towards 'IRC of >2023' ie. Disccord which I simply refuse to participate in, no need to try and 'lure me in' I won't go there.

    This place without the social interaction and occasional off-topic discussions and more or less strict focus on music doomed to fail, sorry, but that's the way I feel...

    I've also cut down participation on various YT live-streams and spend the time on doing other stuff...

    Cheers!

  • Not sure what you mean @LinearLineman. When Michael eliminated off topic there no longer is a place for philosophical cum spiritual discussion.

    On the off topic though... you can create a closed group and continue to discuss anything you wish in DMs. These personal matters fit much better there imo than an open forum. Just like in life... you discuss these things with group of people closest to you rather than stopping random strangers on the street.
    I f.e completely lost interest in digging through the amount of bs threads just to enter one and see it was derailed most of the time... so, I actually appreciate the change.

    As a midway solution I could see off topic category to come back, but only mods are allowed to create one if there is a ‘good reason’. This would limit the number of threads, making it easier to monitor and easier to avoid for those not interested.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @simon, @BerlinFx, I have friends here and general good feeling toward everyone. . Community is about sharing. People here have had losses or joys they like, and even need to share. Without off topic there is no place for that or anything else apart from app/hardware discussion, dead musicians, NAMM and sharing tracks. To me it makes it less human and I’m less interested in participating, or, for that matter, sharing. There’s less room for humor, too. How much can you joke about iOS and dead guys.

    I should add this is the only forum I use. To discuss living on a forum about “living” with the usual critical “bunch” doesn’t interest me. There have been full bodied, smart, well rounded people here interested in anything and everything with great thoughts about it all. When people here talk about their lives it inspires me to move through life’s difficulties and celebrate their successes. @Daveypoo moved his family to Italy. I guess he couldn’t announce that as there’s no place for it. There was a member years back that shared the difficulty he was having with his daughter. He felt safe here and he got back tremendous support and love. @thesoundtestroom has come here (and rightly so) to share personal issues and he found a lot of people who cared about him and Jo. That’s off topic but it is community topic.

    You can ban politics and religion. I have no problem with that. I pmd @Michael to give my support to removing Recent Events. I didn’t realize anything non musical would go. If that’s it, so be it. I’m grateful to have the friends I made here during the past five years, including our beloved founder. I doubt there will be any more. I also see the threads aren’t moving as quickly as they used to. I don’t know if there’s a connection, but I am losing interest. I can’t speak, of course, for anyone else.

    This forum helped me acquire the knowledge to make iOS music and it did it with gentleness and bonhomie (why only one “m” in bonhomie? Oops, sorry, no place for that).
    I’m sure you’ve been other places. It’s cold out there, but it was warm in here. Someone once advised me to find friends elsewhere suggesting, I guess, this is not the place for that.
    I can see it. Why find friends when you really just need some free information.

    Hi as you know I am pretty new here so I didn’t see the « off topic part «  , it is also important to have support between the iOS music community, not only tech ones.

    My response was only about music as I was thinking this videos was just about.

  • Fwiw I 100% agree with @LinearLineman .

    There’s a marked difference between ranting (which things seem to descend into) about religion or politics vs. light hearted / supportive comments about life, the universe and everything.

    The only other forum that I regularly visit (I’m not a member) is the Naim HiFi forum which appears to do a remarkable job of balancing on subject (Hifi) posts with off subject e.g. just from a brief look today… Football season 2022 - 2023, RIP Barry Humphries, Wordling and What wine are you drinking?

    These are the Naim forum rules which more or less sum up exactly how I feel… (substitute the appropriate words e.g. IOS, iPad, app etc)

    ‘The forum embraces all members regardless of background or whether you own any Naim equipment or not. What unites us all is a passion for music, hifi and Naim. To that end we have decided that best harmony is maintained where any and all religious and political discussion is left at the door. Please refrain from making overtly political or religious comment here. Posts deemed to be religious or political (including jokes) will be removed at moderators discretion.

    Please ensure you refrain from posting anything that might reasonably be considered as racist, sexist, homophobic, defamatory, or personally insulting to other members.’

  • This seems like a conversation to have with the mods rather than have yet another thread re-hashing this topic. (There have been several threads already about this since the change in policy). People who feel strongly, can start a discussion involving the moderators via group DMs.

  • Fair point @espiegel123 🙏

  • @espiegel123 a conversation with mods is not very inclusive. As to rehashing. Whether it’s apps or complaints about stuff, rehashing is mostly what we do here. It’s called conversation. Btw, how’s the weather by you?

  • It was sad to see that a segregated category where you must seek out content was requested by reader(s) to be removed. I miss the thoughtful updates re: Ukraine and applied filters for posters that just never seemed to be open to effective persuasion. I have looked for other places and none had the daily value I found here. Just opt out asshats. I understand Michael wanting to eschew all drama. End of an era for me. Unfortunately it has soured more discourse here… but there are so many factors in my personal forecast that this is just one of many reasons to be discouraged.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @simon, @BerlinFx, I have friends here and general good feeling toward everyone. . Community is about sharing. People here have had losses or joys they like, and even need to share. Without off topic there is no place for that or anything else apart from app/hardware discussion, dead musicians, NAMM and sharing tracks. To me it makes it less human and I’m less interested in participating, or, for that matter, sharing. There’s less room for humor, too. How much can you joke about iOS and dead guys.

    I should add this is the only forum I use. To discuss living on a forum about “living” with the usual critical “bunch” doesn’t interest me. There have been full bodied, smart, well rounded people here interested in anything and everything with great thoughts about it all. When people here talk about their lives it inspires me to move through life’s difficulties and celebrate their successes. @Daveypoo moved his family to Italy. I guess he couldn’t announce that as there’s no place for it. There was a member years back that shared the difficulty he was having with his daughter. He felt safe here and he got back tremendous support and love. @thesoundtestroom has come here (and rightly so) to share personal issues and he found a lot of people who cared about him and Jo. That’s off topic but it is community topic.

    You can ban politics and religion. I have no problem with that. I pmd @Michael to give my support to removing Recent Events. I didn’t realize anything non musical would go. If that’s it, so be it. I’m grateful to have the friends I made here during the past five years, including our beloved founder. I doubt there will be any more. I also see the threads aren’t moving as quickly as they used to. I don’t know if there’s a connection, but I am losing interest. I can’t speak, of course, for anyone else.

    This forum helped me acquire the knowledge to make iOS music and it did it with gentleness and bonhomie (why only one “m” in bonhomie? Oops, sorry, no place for that).
    I’m sure you’ve been other places. It’s cold out there, but it was warm in here. Someone once advised me to find friends elsewhere suggesting, I guess, this is not the place for that.
    I can see it. Why find friends when you really just need some free information.

    When my wife was undergoing chemo in 2022, I held it together until one day I simply felt that I couldn’t any more.. I came here to vent in an obvious cry for help and I was surprised at how many members stepped in to lend an ear and provide encouragement by sharing their own relatable experiences.

    Although I have never commented on your philosophical threads, Michael, but I have always enjoyed them. I have several of them bookmarked. Feel free to DM any future philosophical matters, because I’m sure I missed a few.

    Also, thanks for aggregating your past piano improv essays under one place. As a fan of Tristano, I can appreciate your selfless work.

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  • edited April 2023

    I’m with @LinearLineman, really.

    Not interested in direct politics or religion here, but I like the possibility of initiating or chancing upon, on any given day here, discussions, oh, I dunno, of William Burroughs, Lovecraft’s fiction, the artwork of Francis Bacon or Bruegel, developments in autonomous AI weapons, favourite sci Fi movies, tropes in gothic horror, favourite computer games, to name a few examples off the top of my head.

    None of which have a music focus, none with an obvious home under the new arrangements. The oblique and serendipitous ways any or all of these, through contributions from other parties up for a debate, might segue into new knowledge, ridiculous memes, or even on occasion appreciation of musical artists new to me, (!) was of course part of the joy of it.

    This is the only social media I do, apart from my SoundCloud, and pretty largely the only social I do, period, so I am feeling the lack.

  • This is the AUDIOBUS FORUM. It was set up for AUDIOBUS support and discussion.

    We are very lucky that Michael allows us to use it as a place to talk about other apps and hardware.

    He could shut the whole thing down any time he wants if it becomes a hassle for him.

    So, let's not push it.

  • edited April 2023

    @Simon: quite the fan of caps lock, there, I see?

    Objectively, you are correct, of course, this whole place exists at the pleasure of @Michael, and I am grateful to him for that, and have no desire to cause him or @thesoundtestroom any stress. Equally, though, for as long as this little town square does exist, I will, until and unless instructed otherwise by the actual moderators, and only where appropriate, on occasion express my genuine, gentle sadness at the passing of the broader, more enlightened place this used to be prior to the upheavals leading to the recent rule change. The place that existed until overly strident, aggressively self opinionated voices made that impossible.

  • @Svetlovska said:
    it seems you don’t require a vote to issue instructions unilaterally to other members here anyway… There was me thinking we had actual moderators for that, but what the hey…

    I'm not issuing instructions to anyone. I'm suggesting (is that allowed?) that people don't push it to the point where the whole thing gets shut down.

    But, hey, do whatever you want. I'm sure in your case you do anyway. If you know what I mean, Svetlovska.

  • edited April 2023

    @Simon, I don’t think @Michael is likely to pull anything down. By the same measure you probably think Creations should go, too. After all, not every creation is made with Audiobus.

    I really think some people are getting out of joint with this.

    It’s very ironic that my title “Too Much Control= Less Musical fun” would be so on point.. It wasn’t my intention.

    When I think that a human and interesting POV opinion, like what @Svetlovska wrote, needs to be shouted down with ALL CAPS and visions of AudioArmageddon…that just leads me to the conclusion…. well, to suppress my usual vociferousness, let me just say this discussion feels pretty out of whack. I mean wack.

    I just need to add that neither my opinion or any opinions to the contrary represents what the actual forum population may feel. As has always been the case, on any side, a LOUD voice gets a lot of attention and an illusionary weight…no matter what the opinion. There are, of course, consequences to falling for that illusion.

  • edited April 2023

    @LinearLineman said:
    @Simon, I don’t think @Michael is likely to pull anything down.

    Fine. Then eveything is ok.

    By the same measure you probably think Creations should go, too.

    No, I don't think that.

  • Cute doggie! Perhaps we should let sleeping dogs lie ? ;)

  • edited April 2023

    @Svetlovska said:
    Cute doggie!

    Yes, very cute.

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