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Can't sing but want some vocals? Where do you turn?
So I'm in that camp. I know enough to make baby steps on writing songs, but my singing ain't great.
What do you folks do if you want to compose songs and want to put vocals on them. And you can't sing. And you don't have access to a real singer.
Some tools I've considered or tried:
- Vocoders
- real-time auto-tuners
- Post-time pitch correction
- and most recently, AI synthetic singers, such as Synthesizer V
Workflow matters to me a great deal. Ideally, I could have the singer at least sing "la" as I compose or try out riffs with a keyboard or instruments.
Thanks,
Joe
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I’m actually glad that there’s not a good answer for this need.
I like finding new singers that bring something new to the song form with their compositions and performances. I find most people just like singers they would like to have sex with or me like so they could have sex with someone.
I fell in love with a singer’s voice and the album covers didn’t really show her face. When I finally got a good view I realized how hard it use be for her to break through due to some rather unfortunate physical characteristics. As she started to break though with television exposure she fell off the radar and released a rather sad collection of songs called “Happy Now” that was a musical description of someone that had no love in her life. But her musical talent was simply off the charts… It’s human nature to want our stars to be attractive people. Attractions can bridge the physical for someone with attractive messages.
So, there are probably lots of unattractive singers out there eager to sell you their voice at low prices.
There are websites dedicated to helping you find them and negotiate a vocal performance.
Roland E4. Seen some really cool things done by people that say they can't sing.
autotune..... put it on a channel and sing with it on in real time. it's amazing the result you can get to bang out a idea. if the idea is really good you can then get a real singer.
you can even use autotune to help you sing better, i found it helped me hit notes accurately when before i had no idea how to do that effectively.
after a while i could just sing badly with the autotune off then add it later.
If you don’t want to collaborate, pay for someone on “Fiverr” or pay for costly software or hardware to do it… just do it yourself. No one judges your voice more harshly than yourself. Bob Dylan was a terrible singer, but he made it work.
Do the unattractive women singers have a real-time VST plugin?
maybe I shouldn't have gone there...
FWIW, I'm leaning towards trying Synthesizer V. Have tried the demo. Will likely buck up for the full version, which can run as a VST. Probably start with Kevin as my singer.
Some of the most interesting singers aren’t technically perfect by a long chalk. If you don’t think you sing well, maybe sing more and allow your voice to develop. I suspect the trick is to find your own voice, and not to try to sing like anyone else, but I have no qualifications on that score. What I can say is that, having not sung for many years, I’m having to find my voice again, and after decades it’s going to be different. The more I use my voice, the better and easier it’s becoming.
You can always at least give it a try for yourself. Think of guys like Bob Dylan, David Byrne, Issac Brock, etc that aren’t “good” singers. Still doesn’t stop me from loving their work.
I don’t sing much either, so I don’t have a good answer but there is Pocket Singer on iOS. And Lyricist, though it sounds pretty robotic.
I can sing moderately okay but am better at "voice acting". So I record myself speak-singing and tune my vocals with Waves Tune RT in CB3 with MIDI input. This is how I get my synthesised-sounding vocals while retaining the character of my vocal performance. Your mileage may vary.
Just listened to a track on that web site and it's impressive. Could be pretty great for mocking up tracks but you'll be getting 'perfect' vocals, so...
I was in this exact position ten years ago, so I decided to teach myself how to sing. I sing reasonably well now, having started at the strangled cat stage.
Writing songs is a skill that takes time to learn, so learning to sing at the same time means that both those skills can develop together - by the time your songs improve, your singing will have improved as well. All of my early songs were terrible, and so was the singing on them
In my case I was learning a number of parallel skills all at the same time: writing, production, singing, mixing, arranging etc... and over the course of those ten years all of those skills improved in line with each other. My guitar playing also improved.
I was 43 when I first started learning to sing, so I don't think it's ever too late. I don't have the world's best voice, but it's good enough to showcase my songs.
Alternatively you could use Fiverr to hire singers, in some cases they will even help you with the melodies.
I hired two female singers to sing on this track, I supplied a guide vocal with my singing for them. They cost £30 and £50 respectively for the work they did on this song (there are also some sampled vocals in the track as well):
What, like Pavarotti?
I can sing in my mind.
But dont sing because Id either be stalked or placed in a soundproof cell.
Have a few beers and just "Tom Waits" it.
In my style of music , House and Ambient you can work on sample library for a choir. I don’t have and not use vocal tunes, it is too clean and boring.
I am the worst singer on this planet , lol, but sometimes I sample my voice but at this end it will become a very different output so don’t bother.
I’m a good singer, have been since I was young, singing in choir at school, later playing guitar and singing with it, busking, performing in bars alpine and with bands etc.
Some people are tone deaf, but I think they are relatively few. Singing is definitely a skill that can be learnt like any other.
Going into all the details of learning to sing if you can’t would take a very long post. There are tons of apps for this, youtube videos too, I’m sure. But basically just use any tool, like an arp, that can play a scale up and down in a certain octave range. Try different speeds. Let it be repetitive. Like just going up one octave in a range that suits your voice. Sing along with it until you feel confident that you’re getting it right. Then try the same up and down. Then try it with random notes - just keeps it to 1 octave repetitive patterns that are easy for you to catch and sing along with. Then move it up a semitone. Now try the same as above. Keep moving it up. Then down. You can also try singing along with different sounds - ‘la la la’, ‘hee, hee, hee’, ‘ho ho ho’ etc. Some combinations of vowels and consonants will be easier than others. When you get good at a certain speed, try to increase it. See how far you can go. When you can’t reach a certain high or low note, experiment with the exact consonant and/or vowel sounds you are using to get it. I bet you will improve quickly!
FYI, I did pop for Synthesizer V and "Kevin" yesterday. It looks like it'll work with Synth V as VST to MPC on the Macbook, and using MPC hardware as a controller. Not sure yet, but it looks as though I have to open the Synth V VST and work with it directly to record, as opposed the way most VSTs will record what you play without their window being open. Otherwise, it appears to sync and integrate with that MPC setup OK.
I'm hoping Kevin will give me a way to compose / improvise as I can do with other MPC instruments. He'll sing "la" "la" to start, but I can come in anytime and type in the lyrics.
See how it goes.
I invested in one-on-one singing lessons almost 20 years ago. I learnt so much, and it changed my life for the better. I know it’s all online now, but honestly if you connect with a great teacher you may never look back.
Without getting too personal, I did sing decades ago in at least one high school play, and took a sight singing class as an elective in college. DECADES ago... in other words, I'm not a kid. And I sing bass, not your typical lead for any songs.
So there are reasons to hope and reasons to not bother trying to take up singing, as with any performance thing.
To me.
Fiver.
Ai.
Someone you know,
People can learn to sing, so a little practice and the Use of vocal studio pro, might get you there…
Still reading and benefiting from all the tips. Interesting that I’m not seeing recommendations to use Antares autotune.
Bob Dylan still is, as far as I know 😉
Some say he has a voice like sand and glue.
Come on McD, give us the name!
I’m not saying I’m a bad singer but deaf people refuse to read my lips when I sing.
Are there apps that help train your voice.
What are the autotune options for iOS?
Auto tune is a make up and you will not learn to sing with that.
Just sing! My voice is weak, but I sing…No matter what….
haha, that's exactly what i suggested earlier.
i actually disagree agree somewhat, i used it as a tuner to hit notes in Realtime. however i'm not saying it will teach you to sing obviously.