ButterSynth Is Released!

[Deleted User]

I am getting certainly old but why do you want such a synth on an IPhone ?

I am curious to know your flow between IPhone and Ipad and / or Destop for such a synth. ?

I got only koala on my cheap iPhone SE and even it is tricky sometimes to use Koala on IPhone…

charalew

@tk32 said:
Don't worry all (including @charalew). I'll definitely pass-on how much a simple favourites system would be appreciated.

Remember this is the dev's first ever synth — and what an amazing synth it is! — so at this point I think he still feels pretty awestruck and flattered people are planning to use ButterSynth in their compositions at all, let alone want to have their favourite presets at quick access.

Arto is a humble dev, building up his DSP skills, striving for excellence, learning from past mistakes, working tirelessly, and clearly establishing himself as someone to watch going forward.

Thanks @tk32 - the more I play with it the more I love it🙂

dendy

@BerlinFx said:
I am getting certainly old but why do you want such a synth on an IPhone ?

I am curious to know your flow between IPhone and Ipad and / or Destop for such a synth. ?

I got only koala on my cheap iPhone SE and even it is tricky sometimes to use Koala on IPhone…

during day many times inhave free time 5-10 minutes .. or when inwait somewhere even more .. or during travel .. and i doesn’t hsve iPad nearby.. i just run nanostudio on iPhone and i have fun .. BS is great addition to arzenal, to cover areas where Obsidian starts loosing breath …

dendy

@tk32 said:
Arto is a humble dev, building up his DSP skills, striving for excellence, learning from past mistakes, working tirelessly, and clearly establishing himself as someone to watch going forward.

And we will continue help him and support him !
🤝

gregsmith

@dendy said:

@BerlinFx said:
I am getting certainly old but why do you want such a synth on an IPhone ?

I am curious to know your flow between IPhone and Ipad and / or Destop for such a synth. ?

I got only koala on my cheap iPhone SE and even it is tricky sometimes to use Koala on IPhone…

during day many times inhave free time 5-10 minutes .. or when inwait somewhere even more .. or during travel .. and i doesn’t hsve iPad nearby.. i just run nanostudio on iPhone and i have fun .. BS is great addition to arzenal, to cover areas where Obsidian starts loosing breath …

I tend to work on a single song over several weeks. I always have it on my phone so if I have inspiration about a new part or a tweak, I can just do it before I forget. You can also listen to the song on headphones whilst walking around. Then when I have a bit more spare time (rare with 2 small kids!) I airdrop it to the iPad and have a more in depth session. This works really well with Loopy Pro in particular (although iCloud support will make it even better when that’s added @Michael 😉 )
Even if a particular synth is tricky to use on iPhone, at least you can still listen to the song.

I also noodle and come up with random ideas on my phone which often turn into songs.

[Deleted User]

@gregsmith said:

@dendy said:

@BerlinFx said:
I am getting certainly old but why do you want such a synth on an IPhone ?

I am curious to know your flow between IPhone and Ipad and / or Destop for such a synth. ?

I got only koala on my cheap iPhone SE and even it is tricky sometimes to use Koala on IPhone…

during day many times inhave free time 5-10 minutes .. or when inwait somewhere even more .. or during travel .. and i doesn’t hsve iPad nearby.. i just run nanostudio on iPhone and i have fun .. BS is great addition to arzenal, to cover areas where Obsidian starts loosing breath …

I tend to work on a single song over several weeks. I always have it on my phone so if I have inspiration about a new part or a tweak, I can just do it before I forget. You can also listen to the song on headphones whilst walking around. Then when I have a bit more spare time (rare with 2 small kids!) I airdrop it to the iPad and have a more in depth session. This works really well with Loopy Pro in particular (although iCloud support will make it even better when that’s added @Michael 😉 )
Even if a particular synth is tricky to use on iPhone, at least you can still listen to the song.

I also noodle and come up with random ideas on my phone which often turn into songs.

Thanks that make sense , to have your ideas very mobile and la k of time. Hopefully now I got many time , too much time ( lol) .

[Deleted User]

@dendy said:

@tk32 said:
Arto is a humble dev, building up his DSP skills, striving for excellence, learning from past mistakes, working tirelessly, and clearly establishing himself as someone to watch going forward.

And we will continue help him and support him !
🤝

+1

Grandbear

@tk32 said:

@Grandbear said:
Can someone in the beta team confirm that the issue with automated parameters not being reflected by the UI has been acknowledged?

Acknowledged and passed onto developer. This is not technically a bug, so may become feature request for a future update.

Thank you, I do indeed see it as a feature request now, it just ran counter to my expectations at first.

sigma79

You cant switch waves on wavetable 2. So it actually shows the wave it is. You can edit waves but its always a version of the last edit. No matter what wave is chosen.

Unlike wavetable 1.

tk32

@sigma79 said:
You cant switch waves on wavetable 2. So it actually shows the wave it is. You can edit waves but its always a version of the last edit. No matter what wave is chosen.
Unlike wavetable 1.

Hi sigma79,

Is this a bug report? Based on your limited description, what you seem to be saying works fine here. Changing wavetables on either WT1 or WT2 works correctly and the relative waveform displays update accordingly.

Have I misunderstood something?

sigma79

@tk32 said:

@sigma79 said:
You cant switch waves on wavetable 2. So it actually shows the wave it is. You can edit waves but its always a version of the last edit. No matter what wave is chosen.
Unlike wavetable 1.

Hi sigma79,

Is this a bug report? Based on your limited description, what you seem to be saying works fine here. Changing wavetables on either WT1 or WT2 works correctly and the relative waveform displays update accordingly.

Have I misunderstood something?

Here

tk32

@sigma79 good catch! was working before so should be easily patched.

Messaging Arto now.

sigma79

@tk32 said:
@sigma79 good catch! was working before so should be easily patched.

Messaging Arto now.

Cool. Thanks.

It were working before ( I believe/know )

Why would it be just my version?

tk32

@sigma79 said:
It were working before ( I believe/know )
Why would it be just my version?

What I meant was… I believe it was working in an earlier version when we were all testing the wavetable editors more thoroughly. I suspect this bug crept in nearer release.

Either way - it only looks like a screen refresh/update glitch, so should be very easy to patch.

sigma79

@tk32 said:

@sigma79 said:
It were working before ( I believe/know )
Why would it be just my version?

What I meant was… I believe it was working in an earlier version when we were all testing the wavetable editors more thoroughly. I suspect this bug crept in nearer release.

Either way - it only looks like a screen refresh/update glitch, so should be very easy to patch.

Thanks tk32

attakk

@BerlinFx said:
I am getting certainly old but why do you want such a synth on an IPhone ?

I am curious to know your flow between IPhone and Ipad and / or Destop for such a synth. ?

I got only koala on my cheap iPhone SE and even it is tricky sometimes to use Koala on IPhone…

I was provided an iPhone XR by my employer. For various reasons I cannot afford - or specifically justify - the cost of an ipad. The iphone allows me to do ios based music production - and finish it too, not just noodle or jam (which personally I have no interest in) - that I wouldn’t be able to do if music apps were iPad only.

The immediacy of having an entire music production studio in my pocket is incredibly liberating for me and means I can write or produce literally whenever the inspiration or desire to strikes, wherever I may be.

Zerozerozero

@attakk said:

@BerlinFx said:
I am getting certainly old but why do you want such a synth on an IPhone ?

I am curious to know your flow between IPhone and Ipad and / or Destop for such a synth. ?

I got only koala on my cheap iPhone SE and even it is tricky sometimes to use Koala on IPhone…

I was provided an iPhone XR by my employer. For various reasons I cannot afford - or specifically justify - the cost of an ipad. The iphone allows me to do ios based music production - and finish it too, not just noodle or jam (which personally I have no interest in) - that I wouldn’t be able to do if music apps were iPad only.

The immediacy of having an entire music production studio in my pocket is incredibly liberating for me and means I can write or produce literally whenever the inspiration or desire to strikes, wherever I may be.

Same as above. Cost basically

[Deleted User]

@Zerozerozero said:

@attakk said:

@BerlinFx said:
I am getting certainly old but why do you want such a synth on an IPhone ?

I am curious to know your flow between IPhone and Ipad and / or Destop for such a synth. ?

I got only koala on my cheap iPhone SE and even it is tricky sometimes to use Koala on IPhone…

I was provided an iPhone XR by my employer. For various reasons I cannot afford - or specifically justify - the cost of an ipad. The iphone allows me to do ios based music production - and finish it too, not just noodle or jam (which personally I have no interest in) - that I wouldn’t be able to do if music apps were iPad only.

The immediacy of having an entire music production studio in my pocket is incredibly liberating for me and means I can write or produce literally whenever the inspiration or desire to strikes, wherever I may be.

Same as above. Cost basically

Thanks I understand why you need it for IPhone

McD

@charalew said:
Bought this this morning. Right up there with Tera Pro as the best all-in-one synth on iOS. Can't see any way to mark a preset as a Favourite though? This is pretty much essential for a synth that ships with so many presets. Am I missing something obvious?

There’s a Library labeled “User” and it ships empty.
In User you can create any number of Categories and fill them with suitable Favorites or Favourites.
Does that u come from the French origin of the word or do they use “feveauxrittes”?

tk32

@sigma79 said:

Kirnu has just confirmed this little gremlin has been fixed, so will be included in the next update.

In the meantime, you can draw custom wavetables in the WT1 editor then save/load them into WT2.

HotStrange

@sigma79 said:

@HotStrange said:

@sigma79 said:

@HotStrange said:

@sigma79 said:

@israelite said:

@dendy said:

Yes this is still subject of improvements, as first thing try turn off all other apps which are running in background ... i can run on iPhone XS 4 instances in NS2, with fifth one i start getting this waring too.. this iPhone has has 4 gigs of ram .. on iPad Air M1 i can run much more (has 8 gigs of ram)

Dev knows about this problem on older devices with smaller RAM, it's still opened task for improvements ...

Air 4th gen doesn't have a small amount of ram. And to be honest I am too lazy to close other apps only to be able to use BS. For me Synthmaster 2 is doing everything BS is and has 3000 presets, so I will stay with SM2. Cheers

Hmm.

Bought an ipad 9 just for synths ( no drums )

Seems like you need an ipad air 5

Which means £800. Maybe creeking and screen issues ( like the last two ipad air 3 )

I have the Air 5 (2022) and have had no issues with it.

Did you buy from Apple direct?

Are you from UK?

Can you still use a cck instead of audio4c ( which is usbc ) So ipad charges without audio4c on?

Israelite is right.

Ipads really should be ok but thought an ipad air 5 ( just for synths ) Should be good but then thought the ipad 9 should generally be enough and chose because of issues with ipad airs and none with ipad 9. There wernt issues with ipad mini though ( a laminate screen )

The only issue ipad air 3s were from apple. The other ipads not from apple.

Wonder if stores get better batch ipads or the air 3 were just a design fault.

Yes I use it the same way I used my last air but I haven’t tried my CCK with it yet. I use a usbc to aux for headphones and it’s fine. I’m from the US but my fiancé also has the same iPad and hers works fine as well.

Not to derail thread. I guess its promo. Were thinking to hold out till September and make sure I dont spend the money. Just spend the time getting most out out the drum ipad 9 and making some patches on the ipad air 3. Think I might have kept air 3 anyway and have a drawing device and not use a better ipad for this.

Then it should be an M2 chip?

Which would actually be overkill just for synths. I sometimes find it difficult to add synths to 12 track drums but the drums are always just tests for capability and always laziness to make a further song ( with patterns etc )

I’m planning on upgrading this year just for more storage as mine is getting closer and closer to maxing out. So I’m eyeing the 1 TB.

dendy

@sigma79

Then it should be an M2 chip?

M2 makes sense when compared to M1 only in case your main workhoese in Cubasis 3 (which is only one iOS host which utilises multicore performance).. In terms of single core inthink diff between M1 and M2 is about 20-30% whih is not worth price … i think currently best device in terms of money/performance is iPad Air M1…

Gavinski

@dendy said:
@sigma79

Then it should be an M2 chip?

M2 makes sense when compared to M1 only in case your main workhoese in Cubasis 3 (which is only one iOS host which utilises multicore performance).. In terms of single core inthink diff between M1 and M2 is about 20-30% whih is not worth price … i think currently best device in terms of money/performance is iPad Air M1…

Exactly my thoughts when I looked at the benchmarks

charalew

@McD said:

@charalew said:
Bought this this morning. Right up there with Tera Pro as the best all-in-one synth on iOS. Can't see any way to mark a preset as a Favourite though? This is pretty much essential for a synth that ships with so many presets. Am I missing something obvious?

There’s a Library labeled “User” and it ships empty.
In User you can create any number of Categories and fill them with suitable Favorites or Favourites.
Does that u come from the French origin of the word or do they use “feveauxrittes”?

Yeah that's a workaround of sorts but means making copies of the patches you want as favourites

sigma79

@dendy said:
@sigma79

Then it should be an M2 chip?

M2 makes sense when compared to M1 only in case your main workhoese in Cubasis 3 (which is only one iOS host which utilises multicore performance).. In terms of single core inthink diff between M1 and M2 is about 20-30% whih is not worth price … i think currently best device in terms of money/performance is iPad Ai

Ipad also is a dual setup. The other is an ipad 9.

Got another ipad 9 delivered. Liking that ipad 9 never had screen issues but then so never did an ipad mini 5.

Think im just returning ipad 9 to buy another device for better ram and then better cpu.

Would an app like koala with multi instance, triggering loads of samples plus demanding synths be better off with the 8gb ram?

M1 vs M2.

Will any host like Drambo or Aum ever be multicore?

Does Cubase automate panning ( of an auv3 app ) ?

I say automate. Wouldnt even be bad at an audio stage. To just pan then load the recorded version?

eross

did somebody say this might be coming to iphone soon? that could be cool

dendy

@eross said:
did somebody say this might be coming to iphone soon? that could be cool

as only member of beta team with iphone i was just todad asked by Arto if i think it’s ready to go .. i found two small UI problems but other than that my answer was “yes” .. so i believe “soon” but don’t ask me when exactly.. also if there will be some problems on smaller iphones (i have XS max) , everybody can fully blame me lol, cause Arto doesn’t have iphone and it was actually me who convinced him after he pushed iPad version for preorder to enable also iphone support - so all complains comes on my head :-)))

espiegel123

@dendy said:
@sigma79

Then it should be an M2 chip?

M2 makes sense when compared to M1 only in case your main workhoese in Cubasis 3 (which is only one iOS host which utilises multicore performance).. In terms of single core inthink diff between M1 and M2 is about 20-30% whih is not worth price … i think currently best device in terms of money/performance is iPad Air M1…

There are likely to be more multi-core hosts as more of the market is multi-core capable. So, if this is going to be used for years, thinking about multi-core might make sense.

sigma79

@espiegel123 said:

@dendy said:
@sigma79

Then it should be an M2 chip?

M2 makes sense when compared to M1 only in case your main workhoese in Cubasis 3 (which is only one iOS host which utilises multicore performance).. In terms of single core inthink diff between M1 and M2 is about 20-30% whih is not worth price … i think currently best device in terms of money/performance is iPad Air M1…

There are likely to be more multi-core hosts as more of the market is multi-core capable. So, if this is going to be used for years, thinking about multi-core might make sense.

What about the screen for drawing?

Thinking to keep ipad air 3 just for this. Just in case paper screen things are better but not ideal for tweaking synths?

but when buying a better ipad ths display might be way better than air 3.

Maybe the screen of air 6, will be better than air 5?

sigma79

@HotStrange said:

@sigma79 said:

@HotStrange said:

@sigma79 said:

@HotStrange said:

@sigma79 said:

@israelite said:

@dendy said:

Yes this is still subject of improvements, as first thing try turn off all other apps which are running in background ... i can run on iPhone XS 4 instances in NS2, with fifth one i start getting this waring too.. this iPhone has has 4 gigs of ram .. on iPad Air M1 i can run much more (has 8 gigs of ram)

Dev knows about this problem on older devices with smaller RAM, it's still opened task for improvements ...

Air 4th gen doesn't have a small amount of ram. And to be honest I am too lazy to close other apps only to be able to use BS. For me Synthmaster 2 is doing everything BS is and has 3000 presets, so I will stay with SM2. Cheers

Hmm.

Bought an ipad 9 just for synths ( no drums )

Seems like you need an ipad air 5

Which means £800. Maybe creeking and screen issues ( like the last two ipad air 3 )

I have the Air 5 (2022) and have had no issues with it.

Did you buy from Apple direct?

Are you from UK?

Can you still use a cck instead of audio4c ( which is usbc ) So ipad charges without audio4c on?

Israelite is right.

Ipads really should be ok but thought an ipad air 5 ( just for synths ) Should be good but then thought the ipad 9 should generally be enough and chose because of issues with ipad airs and none with ipad 9. There wernt issues with ipad mini though ( a laminate screen )

The only issue ipad air 3s were from apple. The other ipads not from apple.

Wonder if stores get better batch ipads or the air 3 were just a design fault.

Yes I use it the same way I used my last air but I haven’t tried my CCK with it yet. I use a usbc to aux for headphones and it’s fine. I’m from the US but my fiancé also has the same iPad and hers works fine as well.

Not to derail thread. I guess its promo. Were thinking to hold out till September and make sure I dont spend the money. Just spend the time getting most out out the drum ipad 9 and making some patches on the ipad air 3. Think I might have kept air 3 anyway and have a drawing device and not use a better ipad for this.

Then it should be an M2 chip?

Which would actually be overkill just for synths. I sometimes find it difficult to add synths to 12 track drums but the drums are always just tests for capability and always laziness to make a further song ( with patterns etc )

I’m planning on upgrading this year just for more storage as mine is getting closer and closer to maxing out. So I’m eyeing the 1 TB.

I still got all my gbs from 2019 ipad but can see the need for more gbs. There would probably be 725 overall but means sorting what apps to use and where and maybe an ipad for backup copies. Would just be 200+ gbs.