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ButterSynth Is Released!

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  • @dendy said:

    @girlvsworld said:
    Is there a way to import presets other than just one by one? Can’t find any info anywhere.

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Perhaps late to the party, but, I discovered how amazing Buttersynth is thru Jakob Haq and his really good video about Buttersynth…

    The question is, I really love Synthmaster 2 with my +4000 patches/presets, so, what can Buttersynth do that can’t be done on Synthmaster 2?

    did you ever made some more complex patch on Synthmaster 2 ? Asking cause i terribly failed, i found SM2 UI absolutely horrendeous to work with .. on other side those approx 100 presets i made for BS was pleasure to work on them :)

    That's for me main advantage of BS agains SM2 - the UI ..

    here few things which comes quickly to my mind, for sure i forgot something

    • wavetable editor ! Just plain wavetable editor is worth the price in my opinion
    • much better oscillators cross modulation (esp. FMX mode wich emulates Nord Lead 2 famous oscillators FM modulation)
    • every oscillator can be routed differently to filter (i mean serial/parallel routing of filter can be different for each oscillator, on SM2 it's just fixed for all oscillators)
    • 5 oscillators vs. 2 in sm2 (of course you have two layers in sm2 but thats not same like having 5 oscillators together)
    • bigger mod matrix, more detailed settings per matrix slot
    • FM oscillator (just plain fm oscillator is like whole self-contained synth inside synth), Granulator
    • can you in SM2 select any oscillator to skip FX chain ? not sure, in BS you can

    Dendy, thanks for that easy to understand description what’s differ between Buttersynth and Synthmaster 2…

    I have a gut feeling that Synthmaster 3.0 is just around the corner, so, perhaps we will see some better UI and amount of features…

    Will buy Buttersynth - you talked me into purchase it…

  • edited May 2023

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Will buy Buttersynth - you talked me into purchase it…

    hope you will not hate me for that 🤣

    bear in mind there is near release of update with quite a lot various fixes for some problems reported by users (including crashes or memory warnings happening occasionaly) after initial release, so if you run into some problem, it’s very likely it it will be solved very soon

  • @dendy said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Will buy Buttersynth - you talked me into purchase it…

    hope you will not hate me for that 🤣

    bear in mind there is near release of update with quite a lot various fixes for some problems reported by users (including crashes or memory warnings happening occasionaly) after initial release, so if you run into some problem, it’s very likely it it will be solved very soon

    Good to hear… I will take a deep dig into Buttersynth this evening…

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    I have a gut feeling that Synthmaster 3.0 is just around the corner, so, perhaps we will see some better UI and amount of features…

    Will buy Buttersynth - you talked me into purchase it…

    SM3 is still in development and it will take some time before it is released, and probably even longer before it is, or if it will be, ported to iOS (unless the the release of LP affects stuff more rapidly than I think). We have as far as I know no indication at all that the SM UI will change in 3 unfortunately.

    Buttersynth is a breeze to work with compared to SM2 just as @dendy writes, so I will keep both SM One and 2 for the presets and tweak them, but ButterSynth is rapidly growing on me, great buy!

    /DMfan🇸🇪

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  • @tja said:
    I tried my first steps in ButterSynth ...

    And as it seems, it does not feature a hard-sync between oscillators?
    Or am I just too blind?

    In this case, I would be disappointed - as I used this as an important selection-criterium for Synths.

    Hard sync is handled as an effect for the wavetable oscillators, just like in most wavetable based synths.

  • edited May 2023

    @tja said:
    I tried my first steps in ButterSynth ...

    And as it seems, it does not feature a hard-sync between oscillators?
    Or am I just too blind?

    In this case, I would be disappointed - as I used this as an important selection-criterium for Synths.

    Ir’s uses method used for example in Novation Ultranova - every WT can be hard synced to itself.. in “phase mod” dropdown there is “H-Sync” option .. Exactly same effext you just save one oscillator for other stuff :-)

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  • @tk32 here you have scriticism to your work 🤣

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  • @tja said:

    @dendy said:
    @tk32 here you have scriticism to your work 🤣

    Sorry 😅

    But who could guess the difference between Sync, H-Sync and W-Sync without further knowledge?
    Or what "BIT" could mean?

    One short word about each menu point would help immensely 🤗

    Even without knowing I would guess BIT(Reduction).

  • @Samu said:

    @tja said:

    @dendy said:
    @tk32 here you have scriticism to your work 🤣

    Sorry 😅

    But who could guess the difference between Sync, H-Sync and W-Sync without further knowledge?
    Or what "BIT" could mean?

    One short word about each menu point would help immensely 🤗

    Even without knowing I would guess BIT(Reduction).

    correct sir…

    we thougt it is enought self-explanatory when you see in waveform window what is happening with wave but yeah, i agree that at least few words in manual would be nice ..

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  • Adding the menu entries to the manual would be quite natural, don't you think?

    yeah, agree…

  • Thanks everyone for pointing out a few areas where the ButterSynth manual could be improved.

    I'll let you all know once the next version goes live.

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  • Any updates on how the iPhone version is coming along? 😊

  • Great synth! A bit unstable when used as AUv3. And I would love to have stars or hearts to mark favourite sounds and that it starts up with the last sound selected.

  • @Doc_T said:
    Great synth! A bit unstable when used as AUv3. And I would love to have stars or hearts to mark favourite sounds and that it starts up with the last sound selected.

    Under what conditions is it unstable for you?

  • edited May 2023

    current beta is already MUCH more stable .. yestarday had 10 instances on iPad Air M1, playing quite busy chords, plus few automated parameters for 15 minutes - no memory warnings, no crashes

  • @dendy said:
    current beta is already MUCH more stable .. yestarday had 10 instances on iPad Air M1, playing quite busy chords, plus few automated parameters for 15 minutes - no memory warnings, no crashes

    How many instances do you think for ipad 9?

    Did you use Cubasis?

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  • @tja said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @dendy said:
    current beta is already MUCH more stable .. yestarday had 10 instances on iPad Air M1, playing quite busy chords, plus few automated parameters for 15 minutes - no memory warnings, no crashes

    How many instances do you think for ipad 9?

    Did you use Cubasis?

    You are talking to "dendy" ...

    There is no question that he was using NanoStudio 2!

    Cool.

    Thanks tja.

  • edited May 2023

    @tja said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @dendy said:
    current beta is already MUCH more stable .. yestarday had 10 instances on iPad Air M1, playing quite busy chords, plus few automated parameters for 15 minutes - no memory warnings, no crashes

    How many instances do you think for ipad 9?

    Did you use Cubasis?

    You are talking to "dendy" ...

    There is no question that he was using NanoStudio 2!

    No, that was serious beta testing not just "doing it for my personal pleasure" so actually it was inside Logic :-D Beta testing is sometimes nasty job :-D Installed it just for that purpose cause i know everybody now uses Logic and deleted right after that lol

  • edited May 2023

    @sigma79 said:

    @dendy said:
    current beta is already MUCH more stable .. yestarday had 10 instances on iPad Air M1, playing quite busy chords, plus few automated parameters for 15 minutes - no memory warnings, no crashes

    How many instances do you think for ipad 9?

    This is actually STRONGLY depending on multiple factors - patch complexity - number of modulations, number of FX's slots active, global settings like oversampling on oscillators enabled, number of voices played

    CPU load can be SIGNIFICANTLY different based on things above .. even individual patches can go from 5% to 25% of CPU load .. Butter is monster synth, it can go VERY complex so it's tricky to make some CPU needs estimations per device ..

    Anyway - with oversampling turned off (which is default state after you install plugin) and not much complex patch, on my iPhone XS MAX (it has Bionic A12 cpu) i would say 5 instances for not too complicated patches is safe number , at least in my experience (yes, this time tried in NS2 :-)). You can push more, but risk of memory waring then rises.

  • @dendy said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @dendy said:
    current beta is already MUCH more stable .. yestarday had 10 instances on iPad Air M1, playing quite busy chords, plus few automated parameters for 15 minutes - no memory warnings, no crashes

    How many instances do you think for ipad 9?

    This is actually STRONGLY depending on multiple factors - patch complexity - number of modulations, number of FX's slots active, global settings like oversampling on oscillators enabled, number of voices played

    CPU load can be SIGNIFICANTLY different based on things above .. even individual patches can go from 5% to 25% of CPU load .. Butter is monster synth, it can go VERY complex so it's tricky to make some CPU needs estimations per device ..

    Anyway - with oversampling turned off (which is default state after you install plugin) and not much complex patch, on my iPhone XS MAX (it has Bionic A12 cpu) i would say 5 instances for not too complicated patches is safe number , at least in my experience (yes, this time tried in NS2 :-)). You can push more, but risk of memory waring then rises.

    Cool. synth should be better.

    Thanks dendy.

  • On my iPad 8 iPadOS 16.5 I can run a few Buttersynths most of the time without crashes in Aum, Cubasis, Drambo, Loopy Pro, NS2.

    In NS2 I tested it with 5x Buttersynth(2x Oversampling on) and some NS2 Instruments and the CPU was around 30-40%.

    Only in Logic Pro Buttersynth crashes for me often. No matter if Oversampling in BS is activated or not. On instance runs fine but if a lot in Logic Pro is going on, that one BS crashes too. So for me in Logic Pro i have to bounce BS to audio.

  • @tja said:
    You are talking to "dendy" ...
    There is no question that he was using NanoStudio 2!

    😂🤣😂😅

    @Nathi94 said:
    In NS2 I tested it with 5x Buttersynth(2x Oversampling on) and some NS2 Instruments and the CPU was around 30-40%.

    Only in Logic Pro Buttersynth crashes for me often. No matter if Oversampling in BS is activated or not. One instance runs fine but if a lot in Logic Pro is going on, that one BS crashes too. So for me in Logic Pro I have to bounce BS to audio.

    Logic Pro may be all the rage, but there are still advantages to using simple apps with efficient coding. Or… letting an Apple salesperson sell us an upgrade to our hardware (their evil plan).

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