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About Logic and FCP subscriptions and united consumers power
About subscription (and people saying the ones not liking it are just moaning):
It would be cool if we could get BOTH choices.
What if, FOR ONE TIME, instead of arguing between us, we could unite and try to convince Apple to give us the choice?
If we all start sending Apple requests about a one purchase possibility on top of subscriptions instead of writing it here and then playing the “I’m right and subscriptions are good” “No, I am right and I want to pay and keep what I own” game, maybe we could convince them to give every user what fits better for him.
Lately some users “class act” worked (see Waves), so maybe we could learn from it and start thinking users acting united DO HAVE some voice on the matter
If you are tired to argue with other users instead of trying to solve a situation, don’t even write an answer here. Use the time you would use to insult me here and just write to Apple asking to rethink their decision and add another choice for users (talking also to the ones that are ok with subscription…make a little effort to help your FELLOW musicians preferring to pay full price for it)
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That’s potentially a good idea Mike, even though being inured to subscription models through necessity to have Adobe products for my job, I can appreciate that for some it’s just not a choice they would take in any circumstance. An open letter might not have any effect, but at least it would be something.
I'm hoping all FCP threads get merged at some point. This forum is already getting smothered by someone posting over 100 times just in one day today (at least it feels like it). There are some other very fine releases in recent days that deserve some room to breathe, as big as this news is.
@LostInFoundation You are correct that the coordinated response forced Waves to back down but I think you will struggle to whip up the same passion over what seems a very reasonable subscription plan from Apple...
As I see it, Apple is providing a win for people with no real downside. Logic Pro did not exist for iPad before today.
Waves wants to sell software.
Apple wants to sell hardware.
The choice of Logic being subscription is not to make money from the sub. It is about geting people to upgrade their iOS and selling more hardware long term.
A letter to Apple won't do zip.
Totally agree. I understand people’s gripes with the subscription model, but unfortunately it’s the way companies make money these days. It’s a business model which has come out of the internet and is here to stay. I don’t think 4.99 is much per month and faced with that or a $250 dollar app, which would you choose? It allows many financial struggling musicians an entry into music production on the iPad where a large one off cost is not favourable for them. A dual option, either sub or one off cost isn’t going to happen. So we either get on board or go somewhere else. I was totally against subscriptions in the past, but have realised that it’s the current business model which we have to accept. I can forgo one large americano a month to have logic on my iPad… that’s my 2 cents.
IxNay, Apple is giving us a great deal here . I wouldn’t get on that train, I’m satisfied with the was it is at present .
To the OP point, I did try to say something similar to this. Offer current owners of the desktop a promotional 6 month buy in for the $100-200 upgrade for the full license . After that if you didn’t take the promo, you can always go for subscription
But no, apple didn’t do us any favors with a sub, in fact this was the ultimate screw you to all Logic veterans who expected the opposite ; a definite 1:1 port of software we already own . We don’t know if it is because it says it in a roundabout way and it’s “LP for iPad” not just Logic Pro. They don’t put new names for nothin
Greed was the only reason to not sell the software because yeah, $50 a year in 4 years is what it would’ve costed anyway. This is just a Clever tactic to get us to start renting their hardware too…this is a slippery slope and in my opinion if they continue subscription models, I’m pretty much going offline with my current apps and just stick with what I got and this will definitely end my rabbit hole journey with iOS production. I felt apple changing over the past 2-3 years and this definitely is a big sign that it’s not going to improve
After Hilda and dRambo, I couldn’t really ask for much more this year anyway (what is going to top this hype now anyway)? Four different threads on the impact etc, but not many have voiced how bad this actually is for the less affluent and also people who just feel subs are a scam . Renting hi end software on a $1000 iPad is ridiculous. I own the iPad, the mac and Logic, why would I rent (never to own)? Unless you want me to rent my hardware too now?
I gotta say, I wonder why ANYONE (who doesn’t work for apple advertising) would not only accept it or welcome a subscription, but would rejoice at the non-option of owning your software . I don’t need weekly updates of software that is supposed to work and I didn’t need the last 2 or 3 Logic updates, especially the last one with atmos forced down our throats.
And yes LP for iPad didn’t exist until may 2023. And we did PERFECTLY fine without it, so subs are still no reason to not sell a license
Anyway, my plan was to grandfather in users who purchase both a Mac and iPad before 2023 could have the option to purchase the software within 3-6 months of the roll out . If you are serious about LP and want it, pay the $100-200 upgrade for the app. If you don’t want to/ineligible , subscribe . We should have options. (I think)
Right now (and later this month) you will have options. Don't subscribe or upgrade if you're happy with your current software situation. It's really that simple.
I know man, I was just replying to OP point
I said earlier as well: if it works for you, great.
I’m happy at the development and hope this does in fact make the platform better . Really it’s biggest news for iOS in a long time so it’s awesome overall
(I just hope I will be able to handle the options whatever they might be)
I don’t own a Mac
So I have never used Logic Pro
Is it really that good ?
I have ableton on my pc, but haven’t used it for a long while
So I am definitely interested in this
Just wondering do people think this will be a watered down version or the whole package?
The more I see software Subs the more I like my hardware.
I definitely definitely understand the concern regarding software-as-a-service, and I agree that options are better than none, but I really think it would be a mistake to buy this outright. Realistically speaking, at $50 USD/year, SaaS LP takes four years to match the cost of buying a license outright. Looking past Logic, at $50/year, it would take close to 40 years for me to match the amount I have spent keeping Ableton Live up to date. And yeah, it’s not apples-to-apples, but even at $20/month, SaaS Ableton would have taken around 8 years to catch up with my outlay. I started using it in 2013 and didn’t really use it for 2020-2021, so had I subscribed instead of buying and paused my subscription when I didn’t need it, I would have broken even last month.
Back to LPX: in essence, asking to pay outright is offering to pay Apple four years upfront, interest-free. And worse, you’re giving them the power to issue separate paid updates and end support for your device whenever it matches their business case.
I understand the psychological toll that SaaS can take — you feel trapped because if you stop paying, you have nothing to show for what you’ve spent. You have a spare $200 now but may not have $50 next year. They might raise the price and you have no way of controlling your lifetime spend. I definitely get it. But dollar-for-dollar, I really think SaaS makes sense in this case.
Very interesting way of putting it.
Nice post!
Music for me is a hobby I don’t want to make financial calculation
Best for you to enjoy doing music all the apps you got and nobody tell you you need Logic Pro ios don’t subscribe we do also what we want if we decide to subscribe and we will have time to take our decision during the free test.
In 10 years I will perhaps dead so It is a non problem the sub for me I pay more in hospital bill every year .
LOL.
I hope not.
Apart from Apple being Apple and will do their own thing, the main reason I think it won’t get any response from them is that they probably have something in mind for Logic across the platforms so even engaging in any way would only set them back... when it drops and it’s there to see what it is and how it does there may be an opening for discussion, but even that’s a long shot...
Logic will not save you money, even if it has everything in the box, you always want the latest fx/synth releases.
If someone gave me a euro every time someone mentioned ‘I can do this in Drambo’ I would be writing this from a sunny beach somewhere in the south pacific. Drambo didn’t replace anything, Logic will not replace anything, it will ADD something. But in the end, you still want to buy all the latest gear.
It save me a lot of money using for years Logic on MacBook and I keep to Logic never bought a VST. I stick to Logic. I got the same DT770 headphones for 15 years built like a tank and a tiny 25 key micro Lab.
A Pro Guy told me this advice stick to what you have on Logic Pro you don’t need any VST and it will avoid cost and trouble…. I followed his advice. I am more than happy and with Logic Pro X on Silicon I didn’t had all the costly problems that others had with VST because I didn’t have VST 😝
This only on iOS App Store that I spend and waste not always wisely so many money.
Over the years I’ve purchased a large amount of desktop plugins, so far only about 5% are available and useable on iOS, these I have purchased specifically for iOS. Is this just an attempt to unify the iOS and MacOS AppStores to the detriment of third party software developers?
I appreciate your perspective and you make some good points. However, I would like to say that SaaS and subscription models are not solely a psychological issue, they are a societal one as well. The more people are forced to pay subscriptions for products they don't technically own, the less anyone other than the corporations actually owns. It removes your ability to reclaim any value that you have invested, locks you into a solution, and makes us all poorer because of it. I get that it's a high-level argument and easily dismissed for $5 a month here and there, but as a model it is harmful in the long run and leads to further wealth consolidation. You can see how manufacturers are trying to expand the model's viability in the car features that BMW is trying to turn into subscriptions for example. I predict you will see attempts to implement it in more and more places that don't really make sense. It is not for the benefit of consumers. In many cases, we have little choice but to accept it, but I'm glad to see there is still resistance to the idea. I'm just stating this as a cautionary note and to raise awareness, not to specifically dissuade anyone from getting Logic. I'm sure others will disagree but I'm not interested in debating it or making it a controversial issue that the mods have to step in and squash--this is just my perspective on why it is not a positive trend for the majority of us.
Most of my desktop software is installed through each company’s installation software. I don’t think those companies can use their own installation software on iOS due to the way Apple has setup iOS. I would be shocked if I’m ever able to move all my desktop software over to an iPad.
I have a strong feeling that when the next Logic update for MacOS drops it will be part of this same $49 a year subscription. $49 a year to use Logic across all your devices.
I have zero problem with subs. The price on this is great. I 'bought' plenty of desktop software that became buggy or unusable a few years later after OS updates, requiring me to pay near full price again anyway. I would rather devs have a revenue stream that they can make more predictive biz dev decisions on.
I’ll add to that strong feeling.
That’s nothing to do with the purchasing model, that’s called defective, unfit for purpose goods.
Say wah? OS updates break even good software over time.
I really don’t know why I expected something different from what is happening in this thread.
Maybe it’s because I never said the subscription price isn’t great.
Maybe because I never asked to substitute the subscription, but to add another possibility.
Maybe because I saw on other threads many others saying they would prefer to pay for it.
Maybe because there are already plenty of other threads about it where people can go and say “hey, the price is ok”.
But every time somebody talks about subscriptions, the result is always the same.
People stopping thinking and instead of reading what a thread is about, just starting a “subscription yes/no” war.
Really…I don’t know why I expected something different…
Maybe I’m just a dreamer…
Yeah I’ve tapped out of that one, we’re just going round in circles at this point
Nope, read the EULA. 99% of the time when you buy software as a product, you buy the right to use it “as is,” provided that you follow the rules that the software developer sets out. You don’t actually own anything and the developer isn’t actually entitled to provide updates — they tend to do it because it’s a good business practice but once the revenue stream dries up, they don’t owe you anything. Same with technical support: when was the last time you saw a service level agreement for a one-time purchase?
Software-as-a-service, when done right, includes guaranteed support response times, OS support commitments, and compensation if the product becomes unavailable. It’s not a perfect model but neither is traditional licensing IMO.