Multi out auv3 in Logic Pro?

klownshed

@Luxthor said:

@klownshed said:
I've always used sends to get multi-ouputs from a single audio track into multiple busses -- works great for things like parallel processing as well as the obvious fx busses. Other than what Jeezs asked for above, what would be the benefit? (Genuine question, I'm not sure what I'm missing out on here).

It’s simple; you can't split frequency bands on different channels from the effect slot. Yes, you can do this easily with a simple send and use multi-band splitter on the destination channel, but you lose automatic control of all targeted frequency split positions. You know, controls like those you have in FX, like FAC Medusa and Bandit, etc.

OK cool. I've not seen any other plugins on the Mac that have multiple outputs that aren't instruments. I'm not even sure if Ableton Live supports multi-Out audio fx?

TBH although I have the FAC plug-ins, I've never used any of them as multi-outs on iOS either. I can't think of a situation where they'd be useful, but that's on me. Any requirement I've had up to now is easy enough to solve using a band splitter on a send as you mention.

I've never needed or thought about anything beyond that before. And I don't even bother using multi-out instruments most of the time. I find it easier to just dupe the track and use multiple stereo instances instead!

AUM is a different kettle of fish. I use that in a completely different way to a DAW (and never use AUM to actually make tracks with, just snippets and loops and the odd bit of sound design).

Logic could obviously do with more flexible audio routing to keep up with the times. I'm stuck in my ways so will probably continue to use it as it is now and I rarely (if ever) struggle to find a way to accomplish what I want to do in Logic as it is but can see that it could do with being a lot more flexible for people that want to use it in a different way to how I've become accustomed.

My problem isn't what Logic can't do, but finding the time to use it for all the things it can do :-)

MadGav

@Luxthor said:

@klownshed said:
I've always used sends to get multi-ouputs from a single audio track into multiple busses -- works great for things like parallel processing as well as the obvious fx busses. Other than what Jeezs asked for above, what would be the benefit? (Genuine question, I'm not sure what I'm missing out on here).

It’s simple; you can't split frequency bands on different channels from the effect slot. Yes, you can do this easily with a simple send and use multi-band splitter on the destination channel, but you lose automatic control of all targeted frequency split positions. You know, controls like those you have in FX, like FAC Medusa and Bandit, etc.

I have a excessive idea for a workaround, a little dependent on how the band-splitting plug-in can work…

Send your source track to several buses (now possible in 1.1 I believe)

Load a band-splitting plug-in on each bus and set the main output to a different band for each. This is the bit that depends… I’ve no idea if this is possible for any or all of these plugins. It’s at least a feature which could be requested!

Luxthor

@klownshed said:
OK cool. I've not seen any other plugins on the Mac that have multiple outputs that aren't instruments. I'm not even sure if Ableton Live supports multi-Out audio fx?

You know what the ironic part of all of this is: the multi-output ability of FX is in Apple's own AUv3 specifications. And we all already enjoy the benefits of this. The Logic is old. 😏

For other DAWs, as far as I know, only Bitwig, FL, and Reaper can do this, but not as elegantly as we can on the AUM with AUv3. I thought that Ableton could do this either, but I don’t have time to research this at the moment.

AUM is a different kettle of fish. I use that in a completely different way to a DAW (and never use AUM to actually make tracks with, just snippets and loops and the odd bit of sound design).

Logic could obviously do with more flexible audio routing to keep up with the times. I'm stuck in my ways so will probably continue to use it as it is now and I rarely (if ever) struggle to find a way to accomplish what I want to do in Logic as it is but can see that it could do with being a lot more flexible for people that want to use it in a different way to how I've become accustomed.

My problem isn't what Logic can't do, but finding the time to use it for all the things it can do :-)

With AUM, I started like this, with only rough composition and phrases. It ended up being ubiquitous for every project I did. But I still can’t finish things without desktop Logic Pro.

Luxthor

@MadGav said:

@Luxthor said:

@klownshed said:
I've always used sends to get multi-ouputs from a single audio track into multiple busses -- works great for things like parallel processing as well as the obvious fx busses. Other than what Jeezs asked for above, what would be the benefit? (Genuine question, I'm not sure what I'm missing out on here).

It’s simple; you can't split frequency bands on different channels from the effect slot. Yes, you can do this easily with a simple send and use multi-band splitter on the destination channel, but you lose automatic control of all targeted frequency split positions. You know, controls like those you have in FX, like FAC Medusa and Bandit, etc.

I have a excessive idea for a workaround, a little dependent on how the band-splitting plug-in can work…

Send your source track to several buses (now possible in 1.1 I believe)

Load a band-splitting plug-in on each bus and set the main output to a different band for each. This is the bit that depends… I’ve no idea if this is possible for any or all of these plugins. It’s at least a feature which could be requested!

You described exactly the process I was talking about. The trouble is controlling those split-frequency positions after the setup. Just try to do this in four channels with the Multipressor.

Butterfrog

Kind of related: How do i delete unused busses? I can delete the track or the channel strip but the bus keeps existing in the output> bus menu. My OCD wants them gone.

kirmesteggno

@mistercharlie said:
The 1.1 update seems to have added better controls for multi-out AUs. Either that or I never noticed them before.

Now, I can add Koala (8-outs) to a MIDI track as a midi-controlled audio plugin (is this new?), then, in the mixer view there’s a little + button on the Koala channel. Hit it 8 times to create 8 aux channels already correctly hooked up to Koala. This is, iirc, the way it works on the desktop.

Very happy about this. Koala hosted property in Logic, with access to the cool beat and sample tools, it’s rad.

@mistercharlie said:
Here’s a screenshot. Is this new?

I can't get Koala multi out to work somehow. Not the old way described in various ways in this thread or the midi-controlled fx way shown in the comment above, it never shows up as multi out in the list like other multi out plugins. I also don't see the plus button at the bottom.

Edit: reopening Logic did the trick, after it the multi out was available.

FPC

Does anyone have this properly solved?

On mixer view I'm pressing the + button to get the aux channels but can't figure out why they're not giving me multi outs.
I've tried on Sitala and FAC Drum kit but no joy. It works fine on Logic's Drum Kit Designer...

EdZAB

@FPC said:
Does anyone have this properly solved?

On mixer view I'm pressing the + button to get the aux channels but can't figure out why they're not giving me multi outs.
I've tried on Sitala and FAC Drum kit but no joy. It works fine on Logic's Drum Kit Designer...

I had the same problem today. I tried several times with both Digistix 2 and Sitala, and did the replace as shown in tutorials, and it still showed Stereo only. Tried reloading Logic a few times, creating a new project, same. Waited a few hours, re-opened the exact same project with Digistix in it, did the replace and suddenly it worked. I'm gonna blame this on bugs in Logic. I've had several occasions where the transport runs but there's no sound, and reopening Logic fixed that, and other weird hangs and stuff.

iPad Pro 11" M1 3rd Gen

FPC

@EdZAB said:

@FPC said:
Does anyone have this properly solved?

On mixer view I'm pressing the + button to get the aux channels but can't figure out why they're not giving me multi outs.
I've tried on Sitala and FAC Drum kit but no joy. It works fine on Logic's Drum Kit Designer...

I had the same problem today. I tried several times with both Digistix 2 and Sitala, and did the replace as shown in tutorials, and it still showed Stereo only. Tried reloading Logic a few times, creating a new project, same. Waited a few hours, re-opened the exact same project with Digistix in it, did the replace and suddenly it worked. I'm gonna blame this on bugs in Logic. I've had several occasions where the transport runs but there's no sound, and reopening Logic fixed that, and other weird hangs and stuff.

iPad Pro 11" M1 3rd Gen

Ah right. I'm 'glad' it's not just me being stupid then.
So when you finally got Digstix 2 to work, did it stay working? I mean when you reopened the project was everything still ok?
This is pretty poor, come on Apple!

EdZAB

@FPC said:

@EdZAB said:

@FPC said:
Does anyone have this properly solved?

On mixer view I'm pressing the + button to get the aux channels but can't figure out why they're not giving me multi outs.
I've tried on Sitala and FAC Drum kit but no joy. It works fine on Logic's Drum Kit Designer...

I had the same problem today. I tried several times with both Digistix 2 and Sitala, and did the replace as shown in tutorials, and it still showed Stereo only. Tried reloading Logic a few times, creating a new project, same. Waited a few hours, re-opened the exact same project with Digistix in it, did the replace and suddenly it worked. I'm gonna blame this on bugs in Logic. I've had several occasions where the transport runs but there's no sound, and reopening Logic fixed that, and other weird hangs and stuff.

iPad Pro 11" M1 3rd Gen

Ah right. I'm 'glad' it's not just me being stupid then.
So when you finally got Digstix 2 to work, did it stay working? I mean when you reopened the project was everything still ok?
This is pretty poor, come on Apple!

Yes - at least for the few times that I reopened it to test. It also worked with Sitala. I also just opened it now, and it's still showing Multi-out on DSX2.

FPC

@EdZAB said:

@FPC said:

@EdZAB said:

@FPC said:
Does anyone have this properly solved?

On mixer view I'm pressing the + button to get the aux channels but can't figure out why they're not giving me multi outs.
I've tried on Sitala and FAC Drum kit but no joy. It works fine on Logic's Drum Kit Designer...

I had the same problem today. I tried several times with both Digistix 2 and Sitala, and did the replace as shown in tutorials, and it still showed Stereo only. Tried reloading Logic a few times, creating a new project, same. Waited a few hours, re-opened the exact same project with Digistix in it, did the replace and suddenly it worked. I'm gonna blame this on bugs in Logic. I've had several occasions where the transport runs but there's no sound, and reopening Logic fixed that, and other weird hangs and stuff.

iPad Pro 11" M1 3rd Gen

Ah right. I'm 'glad' it's not just me being stupid then.
So when you finally got Digstix 2 to work, did it stay working? I mean when you reopened the project was everything still ok?
This is pretty poor, come on Apple!

Yes - at least for the few times that I reopened it to test. It also worked with Sitala. I also just opened it now, and it's still showing Multi-out on DSX2.

Thanks.

Anyone else got much experience or this? Or know if it's been previously reported to Apple?