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What DAW records midi AU parameter automation?
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So far only DRambo (and BM3) can record automations made by an auv3 parameter through a midi controller from what I have read
Are there any other DAW that you can assign ALL or any AU parameters that are mappable to your controller for live recording ? If so I’m looking at Hilda as a test for the live pads 1-5.
N track didn’t work and Cubasis doesn’t have the midi learn so I’m wondering if AEM or something else I don’t know about might
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Logic Pro can.
Are you sure? I didn’t see that, I saw you could pencil it in but I wanted to assign Logic Pro the AU parameter of live pad 1 and 5 to my co troller knobs but I don’t see it available
Yes, it's possible. You need the Scripter Midi AU in logic along with the script linked below in the thread by klownshed.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56050/logic-pro-how-to-use-a-midi-controller-to-control-your-plug-ins-lots-more-with-midi-scripter
Oh wow super
That’s amazing that he figured that out and so quickly
Thanks for the link!
No problem, this was a a game changer for me and getting more out of Logic.
Zenbeats can do that. In fact, that’s the only way you can record AUv3 parameters in Zenbeats I think.
in nanostudio too, even throug not directly ...
you first need to map midi controller to macro knobs in mixer detail setting (you can save it then so it is automatically mapped for every new channel added to project)
then you go to au instrument and assign AU parameters to macro knobs by clicking this icon
people here will probably disagree with me but infound this concept much more versatile for example for wuickmswitchingbof what you want automate without need of remap it (just by changing au parameter > macro knob assignment) and many other reasons.. it needs more preparation but then when it's set and saved it's cool..
also you can save different contol maps for every midi port so you can easily switch to different midi controller if you have more of them by just changing midi input of track..
as i said - it's not immediate and may look overcomplicated for simple use cases but in long term it's very versatile
Only for synths though, not for FX.
yeah, forgot to mention that
thank you for sharing. That opens up a new road of ideas
Ok so between the 2 whcih is the better choice ? They both host AU, but nanostudio rep is solid but not updated. Zen beats less so but it seems to still be supported
What do you thinks? MIDI Fx not too important
This is hard to answer .. it’s on everybody’s choice .. best try and find out .. For me NS is winner because of it’s UI, how easy and intuitive is … also sll build in stuff (synth, drums sampler,effects) are supper efficient, i can run enormous amount of instances and the quality of sound is great … anither plus is how much routable is mixer (in terms of sends, groups) is another main reason - you can easily create groups, groups of geoups, geoups of groups of groups ..
You got the idea..
I use for most of FX duties (especially if i need automate FXs) NS built-in effects - it has all basic fxs i need (filters, choruses/phasees/delay/reverb/overdrive/lofi)
it has not audio tracks .. you can’t automate aufx plugins and to record midifx into sequencer you need external app (streambyter)
Zen Beats has more features (but much weak build in plugins), for me ZB UI is a bit convoluted and when i tried it it was not that stable, got some crashes.. but there are people who are using ZB and they are very satisfied ..
So .. it’s really just about subjective opinion, experience, about your personal worklfow..
Without trying you will not know
Regarding NS, if you will have any question “how to do thing XY” i’ll be glad to give you advice
Thanks dude, very nice of you
NS2 doesn’t record audio tracks. So, unless your tracks are synth only, NS2 isn’t a DAW replacement. If your focus is MIDI sequencing, it is a nice integrated environment for sequencing and rendering.
Zenbeats does record audio and also has a clip launching mode. Some people love it.
Cubasis 3 has a thing called Midi Learn, under setup > midi. But
I haven’t tried it. Does it not do what you need?
They're pretty different. Which is a better choice depends very much on your needs and personal preferences. IMO NS2 kills it for elegance and UI design but is missing features that I find important enough that I don't use it much. Zenbeats is the best fit as a full-on DAW for my needs on iOS hands-down, though not as special in the design department.
(Loopy Pro is actually my main "DAW" but I assume we're talking about full featured traditional DAWs here.)
To clarify, I wasn't referencing MIDI Fx. NS2 does support MIDI Fx but you have to do a workaround to record their output to the piano roll. You asked about midi mapping hardware controllers to AUv3 FX. My point was that while you can control AUv3 instrument plugins you can't control AUv3 audio FX plugins from hardware controllers. You also can't send external audio to AUv3 audio FX.
Is zenbeats ever on sale for the unlock? ; I couldn’t find information on price
Is ns2 ever on sale? Or is it $17 always?
Ns2 does the automation record with hardware knobs
BM3 does
Zen beats does
DRambo does
Apparently aem might but idk, I also don’t know if AU is iap or whatever or if it exposes aand records Hilda live pads
If anyone has ns2 or zenbeats and HILDA please let me know if you can record live pads 1-5 with a MIDI controller knob
Thanks (especially dendy and wim)
Actually @dendy i think you did the crazy Hilda show, we’re you able to record live pads with a controller knob?
And still no one has told me if SAND does it either . Is get sand if it did but no one either has Hilda or care to lmk ?
Zenbeats is actually on sale right now! To answer your question, I’ve never used NS2, but I need audio tracks so I’ve never given it a chance. I’ve heard great things, especially about the stock sampler and synth. Zenbeats is great though and it’s my go-to DAW. I just click more with the interface.
Also what do you mean live pads? The touch controls?
Yes. (Even without a controller ; just the pads generally)
i doesn't have any MIDI controller co can't try it but in theory it should be possible ..
It's two step process but you can both settings save a preset so next time you add hilda to project it will work automatically without need to set it again..
First - set MIDI controller mapping for AU instrument in MIXER channel settings page.
Here you just assign MIDI hw controller to AU instrument MACRO knobs (regardless of what specific AU instrument is loaded). This is general setting for AU Instrument wrapper.
You can eventually save this mapping as default (every midi in port can have saved own mapping)
Then go to AU instrument with HILDA loaded, and assign to macro knob HILDA parameter you want to control with your midi controller - let's say in this case knob 1
Tap first on hamburger icon and when overlay with numbers appears tap on knob you want to connect into some au parameter (in this case knob 1)
Now choose what parameter you want to control with kbob 1 - let's say pad 1
Again, you can also save this setting, so next time you load HILDA all macro knobs will be mapped same way
Juat go again to screen where tou assign AU parameters to macro knobs, on left side scroll down to "All macros" tap it to select and then on right side save current mapping as default. Again, this can be saved idependently for every AU instruments .
Note that once you set this AU parameter <-> Macro knob mapping, with recording enabled you can tweak on display that parameter directly in Instrument UI, you doesn't need tweak macro knob direcrtly, and autiomation will be recorded.
If MIDI controller to macro knob is done properly, then also tweaking of midi controller knob should record automation.
that MIDI matrix is incredible; makes sense totally with the screenshot so thank you.
SAND doesn't record automation and also, as far as I know, is unable to control the AUv3 parameters externally (via a LFO or a controller).
Support for automation is planned and currently worked on the roadmap but nobody knows when/if it will be available.
https://roadmap.getsand.app/
When you say live pads I’m guessing you mean the fingerprints on the surface of the synth? If so, any DAW with audio tracks should be able to record that when you play the synth. Also I do have Sand, but can’t try at the moment. What exactly are you wanting to know in regards to sand/Hilda?
I got Allllllllll the info I needed now
Thanks jsmonsani and everyone else
I'm still working on getting parameter automation in Hilda to work "the Logic Pro" way properly. I thought I had it, but it's not quite 100% working yet and I can't figure out what I'm missing. Apple's documentation is obviously non-existent, so it's days of trial and error for me currently.
****** Logic.
Sounds on par for apple 😂 thanks for chiming in! I don’t really use Logic much now but it’s nice for those that do. Hilda in the other hand, I use all the time.
This isn’t a logic problem; it’s an automation/DAW issue, as the problem exists in Cubasis and beatmaker
But glad to know it’ll be fixed for all DAWS soon
Ah gotcha. I haven’t used Hilda outside of AUM yet so I didn’t realize. I do most of my producing there so I don’t catch a lot of DAW issues a lot of the time.
Well yes and no. It worked fine in other DAWs using the original implementation. Now that
I had to change it to make it work for Logic’s labyrinthine mechanisms it is broken everywhere else too.