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The new UAP/UFO Thread.
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Speaking of relevant art, may I recommend The Doors of Eden by Adrian Tchaikovsky.
It does admit it's fiction which kind of ruins the belief part, and it's not even his best book, but it's full of alternate universes and dimensions and is written by a very talented mind, so it won't make you laugh after 8 minutes.
Anyone read this? https://cointelegraph.com/news/the-new-frontier-cardano-founder-charles-hoskinson-goes-hunting-for-aliens-ufos/amp
Seems interesting…
Haha mad
Yeah, the click baity title (which wouldn't have been chosen by the author) doesn't detract from the seriousness of the message.
Unless there is evidence he can say anything he wants. Most of the details I've heard him come out with just sound like alien b-movie tropes and nothing realistic or authentic unfortunately, I wish they was more. The article is just doing what everyone should do and question the details and lack of evidence.
It also has a response from scientists who have experience and knowledge in looking for alien life, unlike David Grusch. There's a lot of work being done to find extra-terrestrial life and scientists can prove whether an object does come from the kinds of distances away they would need to, to be genuine. Even a small fragment of the craft which they claim to have found would be something but we don't seem to have even that.
I am curious as to what the genuine story of all this is of course, but I don't expect aliens to come out of the the other side of this (that's another thing, why would they continue to hide from the rest of us since they have already been discovered countless times, crashing all over the place. These "crashy" Aliens, we're going to need to put up more signs to slow down a bit since they seem to be so common!). But there are too many obvious questions that David Grusch didn't think of asking himself.
But whatever happens next in this story will hopefully be entertaining
The problem with the credibility of the article is that it’s ignoring the associated conference the other week where statements from some of over 750 very credible, high-ranking officials were presented, and just focusing on one, single, easy to mock, whistleblower.
As for lack of evidence - if black ops have recovered bits of craft then they’re hardly going to give it up to tabloid journalists, or commercial scientists, particularly if they’re as advanced as has been reported. If there’s money or military advantage to be made, they, and we ain’t gonna hear about it.
Who says they’re hiding? There are literally hundreds of thousands of eye-witness, radar, photo, video, cockpit footage etc. reports. Just because they don’t land on Parliament Square and ask to have tea with disgraced ex-PM Boris Johnson, doesn’t mean they’re hiding. Though with humans currently tearing the planet, and themselves apart, you couldn’t blame them for keeping a safe distance.
It’s ironic really, the sceptics arguing against UAP/alien existence seem to be viewing the whole subject via a very traditional, 60’s sci-fi B-movie perspective. The beauty of having a more open mind on the subject allows a more nuanced perspective.
Lets see these 750 witnesses and at least one bit of evidence from one of them. Testimonies mean nothing by themselves as we know how fallible the brain is (ever done any drugs?) There's good evidence that consciousness itself is an illusion. Being open mined means following the science and evidence where it leads and asking questions, not jumping to conclusions.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." As it's seems hard to put across, that there so many possibilities other than genuine aliens to consider that being open minded means considering them all. There's no nuance to believing these claims, but being curious about why he's claiming them.
@monz0id wrote:
What makes them “very credible “?
Given human fallibility, the likelihood of US and Russian black ops successfully scooping up every scrap of every extraterrestrial crash seems unlikely — let alone scooping them up and successfully keeping the secret under wraps for close to a century, seems like a stretch.
It is possible but seems unlikely—at the very least unlikely enough that you should be able to treat skeptics as not being unreasonable.
You obviously have no interest in this subject, and are simply ridiculing anyone with a genuine interest in it.
To avoid the thread being closed again I’ve got you on ignore. Permanently.
Yep.
What makes a statement from top ranking military staff putting their own careers and personal lives at stake, and public ridicule, backed by multiple confirmation from other witnesses, radar, cockpit and video footage not credible?
How much more fucking credible can you get?
Sceptics are like buses. You wait all day and then suddenly three turn up at once.
Trying to wreck the thread again?
Problem is these same kinds of people have believed all sorts of interesting and mysterious things over the many years of humanity. Is there enough talk to warrant more talk and exploration, sure why not? There isn't remotely enough for me to feel 'something is definitely happening' beyond anything that has been along with the human experience since culture began. This just feels like a new wrapper so far. But hopefuly some Snowden type will fill up a thumb drive with truly convincing video before this whole Ai video thing makes the point mute, if it isn't too late already.
There could be many explanations without it involving aliens, but those explanations could be just as incredible, especially if it was found the government was the source of the ‘conspiracy theory’.
But that I doubt unless the object I witnessed was a top secret project.
BTW what is ‘extraordinary evidence’ - is there an actual legal or scientific definition?
Maybe someone should ask the great ‘Oracle not of Delphi’ for it’s opinion.
Yep. I personally haven’t put all my eggs in the ‘alien’ basket. There’s a whole bunch of other potential explanations along with 10x more we’re not even aware exist. I’m more than prepared to accept a less, or more, exotic justification for what is being witnessed, recorded and reported.
I'm not trying to "wreck" any threads. Why would you say that? This is an open forum and polite discussion is allowed here. Discussion includes both agreement and disagreement. I'm willing to listen to both sides of the discussion. Are you?
How sad, I've got loads of interest in science and ufos, that's why I'm commenting. If you don't want a genuine conversation about it then ignore everyone who does. I am not ridiculing anyone.
But you’re not. You and the other sceptics just repeat your ‘not enough evidence’ mantras again, and again, and again, like a stuck record. The evidence is what it is. There is no more publicly available. We don’t need to be told that again, and again, and again.
We’ve had comments about the UFO/UAP topic being some kind of ‘religious faith’, we’re ‘all loonies (that one at least was removed)’, ‘fries up a seagulls arse’, ‘fallible’ brains ‘on drugs’, etc. etc. etc. We’ve had all this already in the last closed thread.
If you are so absolutely certain that what is being reported is not exotic, alien, or otherwise unexplained phenomena then say something constructive and tell us exactly what this is.
And when you’ve worked it out, let the Pentagon know, cos they don’t know and haven’t ruled out extraterrestrial involvement yet either.
There's no need to get angry about people commenting.
Also you've mistaken the point I was making about "drugs". I meant if you've ever taken them (I have, lots) you can relate to how the brain constructs things it wants to believe, the brain is constantly doing that all day, everyday even without taking anything. The interview I linked to in the other thread with the astronaut relating how his co-pilot was convinced he saw a UFO and it was a balloon backed this up. A lot of these people are working in extreme conditions.
I'm also interested in how the brain is a fascinating and endless creator of fiction for ourselves in our own lives in many small ways.
edit: ok yeah I think you definitely misconstrued something there and somehow took offence unnecessarily. My point was that we are all fallible witnesses.
I can also imagine that people within a super rigid structure like government, military etc may very well have exceptional credibility and excel in their respective areas, being pillars of responsibility etc. But that does not define their entire being as a human and we all have many facets, most of which remain untapped and unfulfilled by our given role in society.
The book Mistakes Were Made (But Not By Me) has a really interesting chapter looking at the role of cognitive dissonance in the UFO sightings phenomenon.
Yeah, one of the reasons I brought up the subject of the brain is that I recently saw some new research in how surprisingly the amount we take for granted in what we see as being real is based far more on probability, what we believe, and our prior experiences than we think. The brain constructs it's own model and sticks to it far more than it should unless it gets a lot of valid experiences. It's eye opening, literally how little you can trust your eyes
Criminal law students study this because of how shockingly unreliable eyewitness testimony is (even from trained professionals, like cops). All of us are highly influenced by context and expectations in ways we can't recognize at the time.
Yes, and the study I heard being discussed was also related to distance objects, which ties in with UFO types of objects which we see in shapes in clouds, blobs and in all sorts of things. And it must also be related to evolution and survival and predators in the distance etc where we will imagine things being what they're not, which was probably better for survival in the long run.
Okay, see, this is why I originally removed all of the off topic stuff. Doug, Jo and I all have better things to do then try to protect people’s feelings, and @monz0id, if you choose to participate in a forum discussion about something, don’t be surprised when you witness different perspectives, and challenges. (Discussion and idea-challenging, by the way, is vital to a well functioning society, and it’s something that we are growing less and less able to do and tolerant of!)
But these UFO threads, in my opinion, are more trouble than they are worth, given the amount of noise and flagging that they are producing, so, I ask that you please desist. I’m more than happy to have a respectful discussion about this sort of thing, but I’m not going to tolerate it when things become aggressive.