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@CalCutta - thanks for posting that video of Dave Bristow's talk at the PNW SynthFest 2013. To those who skipped it, I urge you to go back and watch it. Dave was one of the two sound designers Yamaha hired to design all the patches released with the DX7. But that is only a small part of his story. Why they hired him is the interesting story.
Yamaha sat on the FM Synthesis patent for just short of the 10 years they had available to exploit it. So 1972, not 1982.
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
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@syrupcore said:
Oh that makes perfect sense.
I guess what I find myself missing are more unique and different kind of sounds so to speak. As well as more nice pad sounds.
Thor is fantastic, read the series about programming it on Propellerheads website, it's well worth it. I ignored it for a while but it can make just about any sound you'd need. Nave looks flashy, but I've yet to find it useful. In fact, I bought nave a few days after it was out, after people talked it up so much, then out of left field Thor came out with very little hype. I didn't buy it until a few months later, and then I realized how good it is.
Those bizarre and impressive patches don't generally fit in songs, it seems like it's geared more towards ambient jamming. Single oscillator patch with pwm and no filter? "Just what I needed" by the cars, instantly identifiable, boring in its own, perfect in a song...
Nave can be very useful in a track. It's very easy to make patches that aren't how you may classify as "bizarre":
Someone posted this video here a few days ago and it's super useful:
@MarkySo said:
Actually, Grain Science then.
Protip: both Thumbjam and Nanostudio (and others) make it absurdly easy to take a crazy sound from one app and make it into a playable sound stretched across a keyboard. If you have either of those, you might consider some of the 'lesser' AB input slot noisemakers, point them at TJ and get on with it.
Great point about the Thor tutorials out there. Zillions. Can really add value to a synth.
@syrupcore said:
Okay thank you and I will look more into Grain Science than.
So far I made up my mind on Thor officialy thanks to the help of you guys and some research it was no-brainer and I downloaded it today. Now Im considering what else to get, and are left with the options of Nave or Grain Science. I had Z3ta as a choice but quickly realized the type of sounds in it are not really for hip hop but more electronic music oriented.
@CalCutta said:
Yes, I didn't say it can't. I meant that most synths have certain presets that are loaded with effects, modulations, slow evolving layers, etc, which sound amazing on their own but do not necessarily work on the context of a song. For me, at least. But I make more traditional rock and pop for the most part, using mostly guitar, bass, drums, vocal, so any synth in my music generally is flavoring rather than being the focus. Again, that's only for me, someone else may have a different style or workflow and that's also fine.
@mrufino1 said:
So most often, for my needs, the sounds (I usually program from scratch or start at a preset and change things) that are more boring on their own are the most useful because they fit better in the overall picture.
Have you looked into samplr? You already have plenty of synth.
@mrufino1 said:
Cool, totally understandable. I don't want to come off as petulant, but I responded to your post because you didn't qualify and more implied your comments on Nave as objective, in a thread where someone was asking for synth recommendations. Because I didn't agree with your assessment, I felt the need to give a counter-opinion.
double-post
After following the thread, and adding a tangent, I was thinking about Hip Hop and Z3ta, and came across preset: "House Organ Bass 02"...D J Mustard, anyone?
@syrupcore said:
Does that work with audio bus. I was looking at it and demo'd it so to speak when I had a jailbreak on my ipad and thought it was cool but not sure I would really use it like that. Also took some getting use to for me. As for the layout of it and all, but I guess thats the case with any app.
Yep, Samplr is Audiobus compatible.
You already have Thumbjam, right? How about Impaktor?
Do you have beats online anywhere?
@CalCutta said:
Absolutely, I probably came off as annoyed in my response, but wasn't at all, my original post wasn't too clear in retrospect. I guess my main point was that many synths, especially as they get demo'd for people, use really crazy big patches to demonstrate their capabilities, yet in a lot of music very simple patches are what is really effective. That being said, don't think I don't enjoy those crazy patches either! ;-) I do enjoy just going through presets sometimes to see what a synth can do, then trying to make my own patches using some of those ideas.
I have made some simple patches on nave, taking samples from imini, etc. For some reason, nave doesn't do it for me, I'm not sure what it is about it that I don't like but it's not for me. I thought the same thing about thor initially too though until I dug into it more, so who knows?
The synth I keep coming back to is sunrizer, it sounds so good. Although for basses I love imini (for the sound, still waiting for it to be reliable) and iSEM (rock solid). And I have some cool bass sounds in animoog, which I explored a little more after last week's bonus discovery...
Anyway, it's all good. We have so many choices, and they all sound good with the right programming in the right application.
with you @mrufino1 Sunrizer and iSem is really about all of the synth I need. I like others but I keep coming back to the two of them, even if they overlap a bit sonically.
@syrupcore said:
Oh thanks for letting me know. I will look into Samplr.
Thumbjam I "tried" that one too and not sure about it but will get back to it. Impaktor doesn't interest me because Im not too much into Drum synthesis since I more want to get into hip hop and RnB.
As for beats, Nope I have no beats online right now. Do you make hip hop and RnB as well?
Thumbjam packs a lot into the offering including sampling and the ability to use its preset scales from the white keys on your midi keyboard. To me, it's a desert island app.
Impaktor is just inspiring. It turns your high school desk tapping into music! You can get a lot of interesting riffs out of it to import into whatever you're using as a daw/sampler and build tracks around it. I wouldn't think of it as a kick/snare/hat sort of drum synth.
I like to make hip hop beats. I've lately been trying to simplify my noise and get back to boom bap territory. Listening to a lot of Slum Village as of late.
Here's an older beat. This is all NanoStudio.
The main musical part of this beat is from Thumbjam (strings, harp...). Synths and drums are Nanostudio
I like it. Music to rob Californian banks by in the middle of a perfectly sunny afternoon and then drive away in black and white.
Nice beats man! Damn....all with Nanostudio for the first one.
Only reason I never considered Nanostudio is because I have Beatmaker 2 and love the sampling abilities in that.
As for impaktor you said you could tap on a table and make a beat? for real? Might have to check that.
Also what do you mean Thumbjam could take yoour notes from midi and make them play out in scales. I might have to get that too because I really can't play Piano lol. I suck at it but am learning though.
Lots of Impaktor on youtube.
It's hard to describe the MIDI-to-scale feature of thumbjam. You know how lots of apps will show you a surface or keyboard where there are no 'wrong' notes? Well, thank thumbjam for that. As evidence of it being ahead of the curve on that, Jesse also added feature that will essentially turn the white keys on your MIDI controller into a 'no wrong notes' interface. The actual MIDI note sent from the keyboard doesn't register; instead, each key on the keyboard corresponds to the next note up in whichever scale you have selected. Since thumbjam also supports MIDI through, you can use this to control any iOS app. Again, it's hard to explain.
Other sweet Thumbjam features in addition to the amazing sounds and playing surface are too many count but here are two of them. Audio to midi conversion—sing into the mic and TJ will output MIDI based on the notes you sing. Also, loop recording is built in. You can record multiple loops, sorta like Loopy. Bonus: you can also have it record the MIDI for the loop as you play. L'amazing.
Another bonus for both of these apps: They're universal.
For making sample based Hip-Hop, BM2 is king. I like working with synths more than samples so NS edges it out for most of my work. But when I want to chop up beats, I almost always turn to BM2. It will be interesting to see what NS2 and BM3 bring to the table.
@Littlewoodg said:
WOW! Now I feel like I need Z3ta though I don't make those type of beats lol.
I have the demo on my mac right now to hear the sounds for myself and your not lying. It sounds so familiar!
Edit: Who Do you Love has the sound it seems and one more. It's at the top of my head but I can't remember it.
Edit 2: I'm Different
@syrupcore said:
Oh thanks for sharing that video. Do all the sounds in Impaktor sound that synthesized though? or is there a way to make the sounds seem more natural?
Also for Thumbjam wow that sounds awesome. No wrong keys I definitely need that so thanks for telling me about that as well. If what you are saying is true about those scale features you see in apps originating with Jesse from ThumbJam is true then damn, a lot of app should pay there respect because a few synths out there use that.
With all that said I also agree with you on your last paragraph. Can't wait to see NS2 and Bm3. Hopefully in BM3 they add better effects, as well as improve there keyboard sampler.
Thanks for posting Syrupcore. Really great music. Lackspace on loop
Impaktor makes lots of different kinds of sounds but they are definitely synthy. Again, look around youtube to get an idea.
TJ was the first app that I'm aware of that used the 'holy shit, look how awesome I am!' fixed scale feature. Come to think of it though, perhaps Bebot came first? I dunno. All hail TJ either way.
Thanks for the nice words everyone. Didn't mean to make this an advertising thread.
Couple more Impaktor vids. Links so as to not kill ipads with embeds:
Building an impaktor beat from scratch Mostly pretty 'normal' sounding. Has 6 loops you can record to. They can be exported.
Decent overview of the sort of sounds on offer by default with some tweaking. A little slow.
@syrupcore said:
Oh thanks you very much for all your help and don't worry about you advertising too much because you put me on to thumbjam with your adverting and from the looks of it I am going to love that app. I mean the way you can rub your thumb across the notes and bend the pitch is awesome and the sound quality is awesome. I don't know why I dismissed it as a toy. Plus you say you can use it in AB. Can you also import samples into Thumbjam as well from Wav files?
Also looking at those impaktor videos you posted, and seeing some other ones on youtube I think I could actually use those sounds like I see it has 909 sounds and some other real intresting quirky sounds too. Can you import your own sounds from WAVs as well in that one or not?