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INTUA's Changes and Surprises
Sebastian posted today on the INTUA forum:
"Thanks to all of your messages !
We appreciate you like our app. We actually work on the New Beatmaker app with some changes & surprises... PLease be patient, but we hope you like it"
Any ideas as to what is meant by "changes & surprises"?
Comments
Yes, it means that some things won't be the same as now, and some things won't be expected.
Despite it's flaws I still think Beatmaker is still best in terms of features and value. I know there is stuff Auria can do that BM2 cant but there is still a bunch you can do in BM2 you still cannot do in Cubasis or Auria. I'm sticking with it despite Cubasis making eyes at my wallet with its sale.
@RedSkyLullaby what features (beyond Midi) do you prefer in BM2 to Auria?
Midi is a huge deal and deal breaker for me trying Auria. Apart from that in BM2 i like the Sample slicer and the way they have implemented their mix automation. Not having to pay for every feature/plug in is also a bonus. Auria's interface also scares the beejezus out of me
I hear you. The only problem with Auria is that it kicks ass.
Auria is awesome. No debating that. But it doesn't have a sampler, and the chop stuff in BM2 is simply awesome. I doubt that when Auria finally implements midi they'll have something as slick as what BM2 has had in that regard for a long time now. ALL of my work ends up in Auria eventually. The output can't be matched from what I'm aware of and have tested. Still, BM2 brings a completely different set of kick ass features to the table. Thank god I don't have to choose one or the other.
BeatMaker 2 is still the king for me for a mobile DAW.
@RedSkyLullaby said:
The "changes and surprises" for the new BeatMaker will hopefully include the ability to reduce the size of the app and perhaps pick and choose if we want to carry around a bunch of native samples and loops that I have no intention of ever using. BM2, by all accounts, sounds like exactly the app I should have been using as my DAW - but it's just ridiculous that I can carry Auria, MultiTrackStudio, and MT DAW on my iPad for about half (or less) of the storage space required by that one app. It's feels like a desktop DAW concept that needs to be reconsidered for devices with very limited storage.
I got Auria on sale, and I love the app. If you don't do MIDI, it's really elite in terms of sound recording, track recording, and applying effects (both native, IAA, and add-on). It's just pretty resource hungry, and that is very limiting on an older device.
MTS is underappreciated. It's a newer DAW, but has a dedicated developer who continues to work on it and improve it. The MIDI implementation is really cool, and it manages to run efficiently with a small footprint.
Agree with Mister Storm and Mister Boone. I would also add a thumbs up for MTS. I do faff about in BM2 and Cubasis, but always end up at the end of the night going home with Auria, however I find myself opening up MTS more and more, especially for stand alone side projects.
@StormJH1 said:
The BM2 has all of the right tools but felt like a struggle for me to use (settings and menus hard to find, piano roll difficult to work with and edit, many features buried in different places in the app). For that reason I've pretty much given up on using it in favor of MTS. MTS to me is simple, intuitive a lot like my old days using my old 4-track tape recorder (I've definitely dated myself now). In the end you want something that gets the job done with minimal hassle. I hope they work on the clunky UI, and possibly take a look at MTS as an example of a streamlined work environment.
BM2 is for creation, auria is for capture and mixing. I don't really see them occupying the same space — they're both really good at what they do.
If you're not creating beat oriented music BM2 is sort of crippled by its mix engine and effects (and what's up with audio files being tied to tracks anyway?). But the stuff that makes beatmaker...beatmaker just isn't available in Auria. I'm looking forward to seeing what Rim cooks up for MIDI but I agree that it unlikely to include a chop lab on par with BM2. I'm also skeptical of the piano roll being as good (as nanostudio's, cough).
But even as a simple multitrack audio recorder, beatmaker does have two big bonuses over auria: much more gentle on resources and it's a universal app. Oh yeah, it also costs 40% as much — likely as much as the auria MIDI IAP.
Seb from INTUA has confirmed that the new app will save space and will be a rewrite of the file system.
I'm comfortable with using BM2 to compose and render audio tracks in 16 bit before sending them to Auria for mixing, the 2-phase solution seems like an efficient use of the iPad's resources. I'm not interested in 24-bit audio on iPad.
The fact that in order to use MTS I would have to abandon my much-beloved PC sample library will keep me from trying that angle, especially at its present pricing (this keeps Cubasis in my cloud). I would want an in-app keyboard sampler and a drum sampler that work at least as well as BM2's before that would make sense for my workflow. The ability to play soundfonts within the app seems very cool but in my experience less efficient than streaming samples. Why load an 850 MB soundfont into memory when all that I need is one particular instrument? Also I prefer the sound that I'm able to get from wav files at optimum CPU/RAM expense when streaming.
I hope that whatever changes are made to BM's UI don't reduce the app's functionality. I think that when you cram lots of features into a single app there is inevitably going to be flipping through to access the features. If I was a programmer it would probably make most sense to simply leave them out and have a streamlined interface. I hope that INTUA finds another way.
They're going to focus on building a really good beat mangler, with a minimal footprint and leave the DAW/Sequencer stuff to people who know what they're doing?
@cian said:
Yes that does seem like the obvious solution for INTUA. I'm sure that it would save a lot of work and expense and would suit the needs of the majority of users. iMPC Pro is doing very well in the charts as a streamlined drum machine, hard to see how INTUA wouldn't have taken notice.
If BeatMaker 3 will not support 24bit.... it's a NoGo today!
@cian said:
Auria plus turnado, WOW and/or impc pro already have this covered. Better be really good because magling beats is nothing new on ios. (And I hope it is)
WMWM. It's a joke. I use Beatmaker as my iMPC. It has a really nice interface for this. It works - something I hear iMPC Pro has problems with. The DAW/midi stuff. Meh.
Unfortunately, Beatmaker also has a huge footprint and a dismal interface for handling files. Sort those two things out and I'd be happy using it as another instrument for Cubasis.
My wishlist for bm3. Better file management, delete most recent take without diving in to file system, Better Fx, ability to an input and output like cubasis
What's not mentioned so far is that there's nothing anywhere close to the Beatmaker on iPhone. On a 5s, with Thumbjam, Alchemy, CMP Grande, Mitosynth, Unity, you pretty much have the world in the palm of your hand. And that's just the IAA instruments, Audiobus brings in a stable more synths, and effects. After making 10+ tracks the thing became speedy, and how speedy does it need to be it's deep as hell. If Intua jumps as far to 3 as they did from 1 to 2, I will be a happy iphone composer -
@cian said:
I would probably find that Cubasis has a huge footprint as an instrument for BM2 if Cubasis had sounds that I was interested in using
or a more playable interface than BM2
@RedSkyLullaby said:
+1. and IAA effects and non-promiscuous midi routing with port selection as in Cubasis. And 24-bit support for Cinebient. Would be awesome to see growth instead of reduction in the main app and an offshoot of the main app for people who only want the drum sampler to use with another DAW
Adding an actual synth would be a bonus. Even if it were a simple affair. And hiring @j_liljedahl to do the effects programming!
Left field: Automated multi-sample creator. I point it at an app, it toggles a MIDI note every N notes between whatever range I give it (say c2 and c5... fewer interstitial notes for speed, more for sonic goodness), captures them via audiobus or IAA and makes me a multi-sampled instrument while I bullshit away my time on this very forum.
Automated multi-sample creator. Now that'd be nice @syrupcore
+1 to the left field
Yeah that's awesome. And INTUA should probably hire syrupcore.
ya'll just like my bullshitting.
I know it's been mentioned before but here's to hoping that in the UI rebuild they: a) make better use of the iPad screen real estate instead of simply blowing up the iPhone graphics and b) make the play/stop button ALWAYS VISIBLE on the iPhone version. For chrissakes.
Just the ability to delete the included samples is going to be excellent. I like beatmaker but the file size definitely keeps it off my phone.
+1 to visionary bullshitting
Iaa effects would probably complete this app for me.
@supadom said:
++ 1 plus soundfont compability and compressed audio support (mp4,ogg)
I'd like to see BM2 able to audition midi files before that are imported.