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« Urakami, August 9, 1945, 11:02 am. », a journey in hell, (Staffpad sonorism piece)

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  • edited July 2023

    Here is a nice one with the score. It’s a bit difficult to read, but you can follow along if you like. You may wish to listen to Satie, Schoenberg, and if you are looking for more orchestral works, Scriabin is worth a listen.

    Three Places In New England - Charles Ives

  • @JanKun said:

    @pbelgium said:
    This is amazing and disturbing, not surprising considering the subject matter, which you evoked remarkably well. I would also like to see the score play along.

    Thank you for listening Paul. It might be difficult to get the full score visible while playing along (there are close to 50 staffs in it). But I could send you a PDF of the score of you're interested.

    That would be great - or musicXML if you can.

  • edited July 2023

    @Paulieworld said:

    @JanKun said:

    @Paulieworld said:
    I thought of Charles Ives Central Park In The Dark, but a really pissed off version. I would like to say that I enjoyed it, but that’s not the proper term. This is an important composition that others should hear.

    I admit with some shame that I'm not familiar with Charles Ives' work. But a quick look at his biography reveals a composer who seems to have been a pioneer of modernism long before his time. Definitely have to dive in good catalog. Central Park in the the dark is great. Any other pieces you would recommend ?

    I first heard of Ives by accident. When I was a teenager, there was a local band called the Buckinghams that had a hit record called “Susan”, amongst many others. For some reason, their producer decided to mix in a few seconds of Central Park. Most people hated it, including the band! I really liked it and it got me interested.

    I am not an expert in the genre by any means. There are so many composers to choose from. I think most of it is a matter of personal preference. If you are interested in minimalism, I can recommend John Cages’s 4’33”. I think it will make you smile. Let me know what you think!

    I already knew about 4'33". To be honest I had no clear opinion about it until I start to learn about Buddhism and more specifically Zen buddhism. now I can understand why Cage considered it as one of his major work...
    I also share the same fascination as Cage for the Ryoanji temple in the north of Kyoto which is a place I like to go often.

  • @jo92346 said:
    definitely the best thing I listened lately.
    This is a great piece of music, the construction, development , the build up, all contribute to make a very strong evocative piece of musical art.
    needless to say I love it.

    Definitely honoured by your comment Joseph. I secretly wish we will one day work on some creation together. Great admirer of your work, here !

  • This is absolutely fantastic and harrowing

  • If you get a chance, listen to this. I think it’s breathtakingly beautiful.

  • @JanKun
    Are you Japanese? I care more about that than the music.

  • @RXQ02165 said:
    @JanKun
    Are you Japanese? I care more about that than the music.

    Not sure nationality really matters when it comes to nuclear power and how we use it. We need to cultivate our shared memory even if it is a painful one and I feel it is an important time to do so. It is a global and sadly still relevant issue that each and every individual should be aware of.
    But to answer your question, no I am not Japanese but I have been sharing my life with a Japanese national for more than 15 years and living in Japan for more than 7 years. It is a country and a culture I deeply respect even though I don't claim I (will ever) know it or even understand it fully. Living here is truly an enriching cultural experience and I am feeling grateful to be allowed here.

  • edited July 2023

    @AlterEgo_UK said:
    Wow! @JanKun - that was amazing and terrifying in equal proportion! Would love to see a movie with this (and @McD 's Dark Passage) as part of the soundtrack!

    After seeing pictures of the outcome of these bombings, and having nightmares about those, I think I already had enough... But a film noir including @McD 's excellent piece would be great indeed !

  • @mjcouche said:
    @JanKun this was too incredible for words. Totally hear the Ligeti…that Kyrie he wrote is very powerful.

    I was weeping near the end. Just amazing. I’ve gotta pick up StaffPad seriously now…

    Thank you for listening Michael ! I agree this little boy's voice at the end is truly disturbing.
    You have shared great music on SoundCloud. Can't wait to hear all the beautiful things you will create with Staffpad !

  • @Edward_Alexander said:
    Wow, this is really tense! Amazing work!

    Tense is the right word! Thank you for listening !

  • @rottencat said:
    Very powerful and quite moving.

    Particularly poignant when the voice emerges near the end.

    Fine work @JanKun.

    The boy's voice at the end is definitely one of the most wicked and devious musical idea I ever had. Both proud and ashamed of it.

  • @JanKun
    I was curious about was whether or not the song was created by a Japanese person who received a Japanese education.
    However, I hope that you will understand that using Nagasaki and Hiroshima as the subject matter is very sensitive for the average Japanese person(except for those who do not love their country).

    And as you said, I don't think nationality or race matters, and I think it's important for each of us to express and convey the horror of nuclear weapons.

    @JanKun said:
    But to answer your question, no I am not Japanese but I have been sharing my life with a Japanese national for more than 15 years and living in Japan for more than 7 years. It is a country and a culture I deeply respect even though I don't claim I (will ever) know it or even understand it fully. Living here is truly an enriching cultural experience and I am feeling grateful to be allowed here.

    Thank you for staying in my country. And I would be even more happy if you liked our Japanese traditions, culture, and national character.

    Your music was a wonderful expression of fear and tension.
    I'm looking forward to the next song too!

  • Amazing, haunting and terrifying.

  • edited July 2023

    Epic in scope, commendable in its intent, and truly impressive musically.

    From the opening sounds (which hint at chorus of sirens), it progresses to a frightening end that’s almost a scream for help and a plea for answers. There’s a downward pull in the first third of the piece. Then there’s a percussive explosion, followed by a swirling aftermath that seems to hang in the air, much like a mushroom cloud. It has a searing visceral feel.

    @JanKun. this is extremely well done and cinematic in its progression. And much to its credit, it’s almost too painful to experience. Amazing work!

  • @Paulieworld said:
    Here is a nice one with the score. It’s a bit difficult to read, but you can follow along if you like. You may wish to listen to Satie, Schoenberg, and if you are looking for more orchestral works, Scriabin is worth a listen.

    Three Places In New England - Charles Ives

    Beautiful piece, thank you for sharing. Been listening to Satie for years. Very interested in Schoenberg 12 tone technique and Scriabin views on synesthesia.

  • @sevenape said:
    This is absolutely fantastic and harrowing

    Thank you for listening !

  • @JanKun said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    Impressive stuff, especially as it is properly written out and orchestrated in score software. I envy you those compositional skills. And the resultant music is powerful indeed. Do you have a background in composition, music college etcetera, or are you self taught?

    Thank you Irena! I am autodidact, so, no background in composition nor any academic musical education. I just happen to know a bit about musical notation from learning classical guitar, 3 or 4 lives ago.
    I have always loved textures and orchestral timbres from a young age so Staffpad has been a great tool to indulge myself. It is pretty expensive especially if you purchase third party libraries, but the playback engine is very well implemented and gratifying. So even without any musical background, with a good ear and imagination, a bit of will and patience, great things can be achieved.
    Thinking about what we discussed in another thread, would you be interested to have the audio stems of this piece (close to 50 tracks... But no one is playing the whole time) ? I initially thought about sending you some vocals experimentations but I would be curious to hear what you could create with orchestral material. What say you ?

    I would be very interested in that btw! Could maybe use them and credit you with some links etc in YT vids.

    BTW... Does this track perhaps win the record for the creations piece to get the most comments ever? I can certainly never remember anything coming close, well done!

  • edited July 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @JanKun said:

    @Svetlovska said:
    Impressive stuff, especially as it is properly written out and orchestrated in score software. I envy you those compositional skills. And the resultant music is powerful indeed. Do you have a background in composition, music college etcetera, or are you self taught?

    Thank you Irena! I am autodidact, so, no background in composition nor any academic musical education. I just happen to know a bit about musical notation from learning classical guitar, 3 or 4 lives ago.
    I have always loved textures and orchestral timbres from a young age so Staffpad has been a great tool to indulge myself. It is pretty expensive especially if you purchase third party libraries, but the playback engine is very well implemented and gratifying. So even without any musical background, with a good ear and imagination, a bit of will and patience, great things can be achieved.
    Thinking about what we discussed in another thread, would you be interested to have the audio stems of this piece (close to 50 tracks... But no one is playing the whole time) ? I initially thought about sending you some vocals experimentations but I would be curious to hear what you could create with orchestral material. What say you ?

    I would be very interested in that btw! Could maybe use them and credit you with some links etc in YT vids.

    BTW... Does this track perhaps win the record for the creations piece to get the most comments ever? I can certainly never remember anything coming close, well done!

    Hi Gavin! I sent you a message with a link to the stems.
    I don't care about the stats of my posts but this creation got a lot of comments indeed, to my surprise. I put much of my efforts on songs that don't get much interest and this one was more experimental and I didn't spend that much time or effort on it. 🤷 It is not a rant because I basically make music for very selfish reasons and I am not craving for recognition anymore. But positive comments are a nice icing on the cake !
    The number of comments might come from the fact that I usually like to answer one comment at a time. So that people don't get involved in discussions they were not part of and I prefer one on one conversation, more intimate !

  • I saw this pop up a few times in the feed and figured I better go and have a look (listen?) to what’s going on.

    This is a very powerful piece and nicely balanced. The place where everything is sitting is just right. It reminded me of something straight out of Stanley Kubrick. In fact, if someone had played this to me before I knew its origin I would have gone searching through the soundtrack archives to find it. The little iPad really has come a long way.

    I also appreciate the expression of the theme. You have done well here. I apologise for not making comments on other tracks of yours. I have heard a few tracks over time and I appreciate the way you do stuff.

  • @RXQ02165 said:
    @JanKun
    I was curious about was whether or not the song was created by a Japanese person who received a Japanese education.
    However, I hope that you will understand that using Nagasaki and Hiroshima as the subject matter is very sensitive for the average Japanese person(except for those who do not love their country).

    And as you said, I don't think nationality or race matters, and I think it's important for each of us to express and convey the horror of nuclear weapons.

    @JanKun said:
    But to answer your question, no I am not Japanese but I have been sharing my life with a Japanese national for more than 15 years and living in Japan for more than 7 years. It is a country and a culture I deeply respect even though I don't claim I (will ever) know it or even understand it fully. Living here is truly an enriching cultural experience and I am feeling grateful to be allowed here.

    Thank you for staying in my country. And I would be even more happy if you liked our Japanese traditions, culture, and national character.

    Your music was a wonderful expression of fear and tension.
    I'm looking forward to the next song too!

    Thank you for your kind words. I understand your point and I am aware that it is a sensitive topic, that can be very disturbing for Japanese people. From my experience, it seems that most of Japanese people don't express much or speak out and that there is a strong sense of self censorship, probably not to disturb others with their own ideas, which I found admirable. But there are also great Japanese artists who breaks those inner "rules" and are not afraid to express what most people feel. At least that's my perception.
    I love your culture and long history, it is so deep and complex and so different from my European background that each and single day is always full of new discoveries. A very fascinating aspect of Japanese culture is how the original Shinto religion can coexist in harmony with Buddhism. I have always found this remarkable. Anyway, glad to know some Japanese people are on this forum. If you ever come to Kyoto, let me know ! Please post your creations too!

  • @rottencat said:
    If you get a chance, listen to this. I think it’s breathtakingly beautiful.

    That's very beautiful, indeed. Not shy to admit that I had never listened to any piece from Morton Feldman before🫣, once again, thank you for educating me !

  • I heard @Svetlovska ’s piece first by accident, and I’m glad I waited before listening to this. Remarkable work.

  • @richardyot said:
    Amazing, haunting and terrifying.

    Thank you, Richard !

  • Great work indeed… thanks for sharing @JanKun

  • This music and its theme bring back some relevant memories for me.

    In 1970 I was lucky to get a free trip to Japan with a religious music group that needed a drummer. So, I got a free ride while the actually religious kids had to pay several thousand dollars for the summer experience. We circumnavigated the world on our tour.

    Any the first non-US stop was Japan. The year was 1970 and there was a World Expo in Osaka that year. We got to perform and visit the larger exhibits. The one I remember vividly was a music and video exhibit with scenes from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombings. It was a truly cautionary presentation on the realities of the Nuclear Age. When the light came up you could finally see that the walls were covered with blood read hand prints conjuring up the voices of the dead.

    All music of this type conjures up those images, feelings of a world gone mad and the tortured deaths of millions of innocents that are gone in an instant. Their nuclear shadows are etched into the walls that remain standing as their final message to we who survive the insane event.

  • edited July 2023

    @DavidEnglish said:
    Epic in scope, commendable in its intent, and truly impressive musically.

    From the opening sounds (which hint at chorus of sirens), it progresses to a frightening end that’s almost a scream for help and a plea for answers. There’s a downward pull in the first third of the piece. Then there’s a percussive explosion, followed by a swirling aftermath that seems to hang in the air, much like a mushroom cloud. It has a searing visceral feel.

    @JanKun. this is extremely well done and cinematic in its progression. And much to its credit, it’s almost too painful to experience. Amazing work!

    Thank you for your thoughtful comment, 🙏 it means a lot. The searing visceral feel describes perfectly how I feel when listening to it. It also feels like I didn't compose it, first time I have this kind of feeling towards one of my creations...

    I think my first induced nuclear energy "trauma" dates back when I was 8, in 1986, with the Chernobyl incident. Though living quiet far on the west coast of France, a huge radioactive cloud spread all over Europe. I still remember how one day, we were suddenly asked to leave school, rush back home and stay inside for a few days. I also remember how French authorities then tried to calm down the population by claiming the cloud would not cross the borders. That's clearly the first time of my life I looked at the sky with critical mind, understanding that clouds know no borders and that someone on top of the ladder was obviously lying... Following those events, two people around me developed thyroid cancers and had to undergo thyroidectomy. But there are no evident correlation...
    This piece was not painful to compose. It is terrible to admit but I would describe it as an euphoric cathartic experience. I agree the listening can be painful, especially if you have seen the terrible footages and pictures of the aftermath or if you have directly or indirectly suffered from the misuse of nuclear power.
    Thank you again for your feedback!

  • edited July 2023

    @Mountain_Hamlet said:
    I saw this pop up a few times in the feed and figured I better go and have a look (listen?) to what’s going on.

    This is a very powerful piece and nicely balanced. The place where everything is sitting is just right. It reminded me of something straight out of Stanley Kubrick. In fact, if someone had played this to me before I knew its origin I would have gone searching through the soundtrack archives to find it. The little iPad really has come a long way.

    I also appreciate the expression of the theme. You have done well here. I apologise for not making comments on other tracks of yours. I have heard a few tracks over time and I appreciate the way you do stuff.

    Thank you for your comment! The iPad has come a long way, indeed! So much power in such a small piece of glass.
    Creation is such a great thing. It can be fun, challenging, discouraging. And on very rare occasion, creators can be blessed with those moments when everything falls where it feels just right almost effortlessly.
    Don't worry about not commenting. We are all busy with our lives. Eventually, those files we're sharing here are just binary collections of 0s and 1s that won't stop the Earth from circling around the Sun 🌞

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