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Anyone else slowly drifting back towards hardware

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  • @robosardine said:

    @Pummelfee said:

    @robosardine said:
    I’ve been back and forward several times. I think I have owned almost every Groovebox made at one point or another. I’ve recently sold my remaining hardware apart from my Korg Kaoss Pads which I will always keep. A sort of half way house for me is having several iPads. You can allocate each one a specific synth/sequencer/sampler/drum machine and jam it out as though they were all separate hardware instruments. I love it. Just two Pure Acids and a drum machine on separate iPads can keep me amused for hours… as an example

    ...but how do you (MIDI) connect them together?
    I have a 2nd old unused iPad ...

    In an older thread it was discussed but my iConnect broke and then i lost touch.
    But maybe there are smarter solutions now.

    No midi required - Ableton Link only. Just switch it on/enable it in settings (on each app) and all your bpm/tempos on all your devices will ‘Link’ - stay the same

    I actually didn’t know this. It works really well. Thanks very much for the tip!

  • @Pummelfee said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @robosardine said:

    @Pummelfee said:

    @robosardine said:
    I’ve been back and forward several times. I think I have owned almost every Groovebox made at one point or another. I’ve recently sold my remaining hardware apart from my Korg Kaoss Pads which I will always keep. A sort of half way house for me is having several iPads. You can allocate each one a specific synth/sequencer/sampler/drum machine and jam it out as though they were all separate hardware instruments. I love it. Just two Pure Acids and a drum machine on separate iPads can keep me amused for hours… as an example

    ...but how do you (MIDI) connect them together?
    I have a 2nd old unused iPad ...

    In an older thread it was discussed but my iConnect broke and then i lost touch.
    But maybe there are smarter solutions now.

    No midi required - Ableton Link only. Just switch it on/enable it in settings (on each app) and all your bpm/tempos on all your devices will ‘Link’ - stay the same

    But also, if @Pummelfee is talking about sending midi or audio from one ipad to another, you could use the loopback plugin in this for latency free send / receive of audio / midi between devices:

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kq-voice-plugins/id6450491216

    Its not only about BPM sync by Ableton Link, but more the question how a second iPad can act as sort of additional hardware-synth. So it must be able to play it with my Materkeyboard.
    My iOS setup (very compact and cool so far) is a Novation AudioHub 2x4, directly connected to the iPad, and at the USB ports are a masterkeyboard and controller. No other MIDI cables and stuff needed - and no wireless latency issues.
    Maybe i can connect two of these ESI midiMate eX's with a two of these: https://www.thomann.de/de/the_sssnake_1871_adapter.htm ?? Then one midiMate goes in the USB Hub and the other into the CCK into the old iPad.... ??

    Ah ok. Not sure about that - though I have seen quite a few wireless bluetooth midi adaptor demo videos in the past with the reviewers reporting almost zero latency.

  • Yes. the ipad got me back into electronic music production in 2012. A few years ago, I started trying hardware devices. Since then, I've churned many devices in and out of my setup. I prefer using hardware, and I see the loss I make—after owning a device for six months to a year before selling it—as the rental cost. I'm happy with that. Can't do that with software. I can get lost in devices like the Syntakt for a few hours in a way that never happened with ipad apps. I still love the classics - Samplr, NS2, Gadget (my 2017 ipad Pro won't run Logic), and dabble with other apps now and then, but I enjoy HW more. Currently have the MPC One+, which is excellent, and am about to buy a Polyend Tracker (OG, not the mini).
    I'll be sampling ipad sounds into the tracker and MPC, of course...

  • qqqqqq
    edited July 2023

    My latest performance was entirely iOS based, but most of what I've been doing is hybrid hardware/iOS. I tend to stick to one/two pieces of gear alongside the iPad (Analog 4 + Analog Drive, SpazeDrum, etc). I love that the iPad fills in a lot of the gaps around whatever hardware I want to use. For example, the SpazeDrum sounds awesome but the FX are all very lo-fi. Also it doesn't have a poly synth. So I run a poly synth in Drambo sequenced by the SpazeDrum, as well as routing the SpazeDrum outputs in for FX.

    With my body pains I end up not being able to spend long chunks of time creating on my iPad unless its at my desk, but I love that I can still build patches in Drambo when out and about. Since I'm already desk-bound, using a bit of hardware seems natural. Also, I still run into performance limits with my iPad trying to build full track inside it (I have an iPad Air 4). I'm waiting on the M3 iPads to come out and then maybe I'll no longer feel as cramped.

  • If I had the money and the space I’d definitely be getting some hardware. Lost 3 hours in a guitar center the other day designing patches and playing the Moog Subsequent 25, Arturia MicroFreak, Arturia Drumbrute, etc… and dam was it so much fun.

  • rvrrvr
    edited July 2023

    Hell no. Even in current state of things for me its a fact that Ipad music making (for electronic music) is far superior to any hardware in all aspects (and I had a lot of it), but my benchmark is Drambo which is a truly breakthrough software. This opinion gets only stronger with each new app release. The only downside is that there is no choice tablet wise, and it all depends on fucking apple. I look at new music boxes released and it feels ridiculous to spend money now on those limited physical bricks that occupy space, wear off, need cables, are limited af etc etc., when having touchpad technology with a powerful cpu. My personal opinion that people buying elektron gear, for example, are crazy😂

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  • edited July 2023

    I recently bought Deluge by Synthstrom. And yes there is something in having a machine in front of you then just clicking on the screen. I do own push 2,and ableton, so this purchase was kinda in the same ballpark. Making beats and composition is so immediate, it removes annoying mouse/finger clicking for sure and makes music making much more fun in my opinion and experience. Saying this i have my eye on Norand as a bassline for same reason. Though i do find ipad amazing as addition to entire setup.

  • edited July 2023

    Cant afford it. I just keep traveling down the Drambo/mirack/Audulus rabbit hole

    If I had the cash, I’d skate down to Perfect Circuit right now and grab a Pamela’s New Workout, Morphagene, Maths, and that new Oxi unit.

    Oh and there’s a Model:Samples at my local pawn shop

    And I need a second iPad, this one’s pretty much out of space. So I’d like to use it as a dedicated instrument and the other more as a daw/Groovebox/recorder/workstation

  • I have a hybrid setup of an iPad, a surface Pro, and several portable mini synth boxes like the Microfreak, Liven 8bit, Toraiz AS-1, wavedrum, volca sample, a couple of obscure modular units, some FX pedals and gadgets, etc

    These days there are so many powerful yet small and inexpensive synths that it's hard not to collect a few 😎

  • edited August 2023

    Maybe i can connect two of these ESI midiMate eX's with a two of these: https://www.thomann.de/de/the_sssnake_1871_adapter.htm ?? Then one midiMate goes in the USB Hub and the other into the CCK into the old iPad.... ??

    Ah ok. Not sure about that - though I have seen quite a few wireless bluetooth midi adaptor demo videos in the past with the reviewers reporting almost zero latency.

    So i did it now. Connected two midiMates together with a these gender-changing adapters. One in the AudioHub2x4 wich is connected to my "main" iPad. The double midiMate goes from one of the USB ports of the AudioHub into my MacBook. The second, the "old" iPad is connected to the MacBook and IDAM is activated. With a little free app named MIDI Patchbay i can now route MIDI from the main iPad thru the MacBook into the old iPad. The latency is a bit smaller then by bluetooth. For the audio from the old iPad i use its headphone-jack, becaus Audio over IDAM produces some additional (unwanted) latency when i want it back in the main iPad.
    So with this setup, the 2nd iPad and the MacBook can be used as dedicated sound devices and their audio go into the main iPad (via the audio-in ports of the AudioHub) and can be recorded (if i ever in my live go beyond those unproductive but funny jam-sessions) in an extra track, besides the other stuff already going on in the main iPad.

    Now i have fun listening how ZOA (iPad) is triggering the Kontakt Pan Drums in the MacBook, and that blingbling goes into the iPad, for making crazy things with Fluss and such...
    Its just funny how things can work together. For now one iPad is the "heart" of this setup, but i think i could also place the MacBook there and make the iPads the slaves.

    To get the curve to the actual question in the introductory thread; what i use (iPads, MacBook, Mixer, AudioHub) is enough hardware to jam around and have fun. Maybe i will get back to hardware-synths someday, but for now i like it this way.

  • Does the KQ plug-in, send audio via Bluetooth? I own it, but I haven’t tried it, and I’ve read a lot about its ability to send audio to logic pro. But I assumed that was via physical connections …

    @Gavinski said:

    @robosardine said:

    @Pummelfee said:

    @robosardine said:
    I’ve been back and forward several times. I think I have owned almost every Groovebox made at one point or another. I’ve recently sold my remaining hardware apart from my Korg Kaoss Pads which I will always keep. A sort of half way house for me is having several iPads. You can allocate each one a specific synth/sequencer/sampler/drum machine and jam it out as though they were all separate hardware instruments. I love it. Just two Pure Acids and a drum machine on separate iPads can keep me amused for hours… as an example

    ...but how do you (MIDI) connect them together?
    I have a 2nd old unused iPad ...

    In an older thread it was discussed but my iConnect broke and then i lost touch.
    But maybe there are smarter solutions now.

    No midi required - Ableton Link only. Just switch it on/enable it in settings (on each app) and all your bpm/tempos on all your devices will ‘Link’ - stay the same

    But also, if @Pummelfee is talking about sending midi or audio from one ipad to another, you could use the loopback plugin in this for latency free send / receive of audio / midi between devices:

  • edited August 2023

    @taeo said:
    Cant afford it. I just keep traveling down the Drambo/mirack/Audulus rabbit hole

    If I had the cash, I’d skate down to Perfect Circuit right now and grab a Pamela’s New Workout, Morphagene, Maths, and that new Oxi unit.

    I looked at the Oxi. Very tempting but IMO polyphony is unnecessary in modular. A single part given plenty of modulation can be so complex that it takes up a huge amount of sonic space. For $500 I'd rather buy a single complex oscillator.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @taeo said:
    Cant afford it. I just keep traveling down the Drambo/mirack/Audulus rabbit hole

    If I had the cash, I’d skate down to Perfect Circuit right now and grab a Pamela’s New Workout, Morphagene, Maths, and that new Oxi unit.

    I looked at the Oxi. Polyphony is overrated in modular. A single part given plenty of modulation can be so complex that it takes up a huge amount of sonic space. For $500 I'd rather buy a single complex oscillator.

    After experiencing the fun but also the hardware issues of a Moog Modular clone in the 90s, I was able to resist until now.
    But from time to time, an exciting Eurorack module is born that gives me a really hard time.
    Like the Make Noise Spectraphon:
    https://www.makenoisemusic.com/modules/spectraphon

  • I bought the Tascam Model 12 mixer/interface/recorder to do more OTB work. I do love to twist the knobs and not have a screen in front of me. The Model 12 is one of the only of its kind that has midi sync, which is a must for integrating devices, like my Digitakt.
    That was the theory… in practice I’ve realized that my mind has switched to a clip-based workflow, which the Tascam is not capable of as it’s a purely linear-recording device. So I’m just using it as an interface/mixer (it’s great for that) and using Loopy, Zenbeats, Logic for recording. So the clips beat the knobs and faders.

  • @GUB said:
    Does the KQ plug-in, send audio via Bluetooth? I own it, but I haven’t tried it, and I’ve read a lot about its ability to send audio to logic pro. But I assumed that was via physical connections …

    @Gavinski said:

    @robosardine said:

    @Pummelfee said:

    @robosardine said:
    I’ve been back and forward several times. I think I have owned almost every Groovebox made at one point or another. I’ve recently sold my remaining hardware apart from my Korg Kaoss Pads which I will always keep. A sort of half way house for me is having several iPads. You can allocate each one a specific synth/sequencer/sampler/drum machine and jam it out as though they were all separate hardware instruments. I love it. Just two Pure Acids and a drum machine on separate iPads can keep me amused for hours… as an example

    ...but how do you (MIDI) connect them together?
    I have a 2nd old unused iPad ...

    In an older thread it was discussed but my iConnect broke and then i lost touch.
    But maybe there are smarter solutions now.

    No midi required - Ableton Link only. Just switch it on/enable it in settings (on each app) and all your bpm/tempos on all your devices will ‘Link’ - stay the same

    But also, if @Pummelfee is talking about sending midi or audio from one ipad to another, you could use the loopback plugin in this for latency free send / receive of audio / midi between devices:

    Haven't tried it but I assume it would work just the same as sending any output from one ipad to another via Bluetooth. Anyone tried?

  • i never left hardware or desktop, just started to incorporate iOS into my workflow as well! I find a use for everything! iOS is great for sketching ideas on the go, in the park etc, or for sound design, to bring into desktop. Hardware has always played an important roll in my productions, almost every song i do has some analog in there somewhere.

  • just preordered a buchla easel, to run into aum on my iphone. pretty excited.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @taeo said:
    Cant afford it. I just keep traveling down the Drambo/mirack/Audulus rabbit hole

    If I had the cash, I’d skate down to Perfect Circuit right now and grab a Pamela’s New Workout, Morphagene, Maths, and that new Oxi unit.

    I looked at the Oxi. Polyphony is overrated in modular. A single part given plenty of modulation can be so complex that it takes up a huge amount of sonic space. For $500 I'd rather buy a single complex oscillator.

    After experiencing the fun but also the hardware issues of a Moog Modular clone in the 90s, I was able to resist until now.
    But from time to time, an exciting Eurorack module is born that gives me a really hard time.
    Like the Make Noise Spectraphon:
    https://www.makenoisemusic.com/modules/spectraphon

    Wow, that's really something. Sounds like the best new module they've made for some time. And it's a perfect example of an oscillator that takes up a huge amount of space. I thought I'd cured my eurorack addiction and now you've gone and showed this thing.

  • Actually no. The opposite, other than guitar gear, mics and similar stuff.

    As far as synths, etc. go I’m all about software these days. Done the hardware thing; it’s just not for me any more.

  • Hybrid is where it’s at. It saves me a ton on Eurorack being able to use mirack and Drambo with my hardware eurorack and leaves me more HP to fill with audio processing modules and more and more mults! Poly is also much cheaper digitally and I don’t use synths for chords very often so I’m happy with just a mono synth and my eurorack and some audio gear. I’m a guitar player mainly so ipad can’t help me there but most other duties can be handled. I wouldn’t mind a real B3 and a Rhodes though

  • edited August 2023

    @rvr said:
    Hell no. Even in current state of things for me its a fact that Ipad music making (for electronic music) is far superior to any hardware in all aspects (and I had a lot of it), but my benchmark is Drambo which is a truly breakthrough software. This opinion gets only stronger with each new app release. The only downside is that there is no choice tablet wise, and it all depends on fucking apple. I look at new music boxes released and it feels ridiculous to spend money now on those limited physical bricks that occupy space, wear off, need cables, are limited af etc etc., when having touchpad technology with a powerful cpu. My personal opinion that people buying elektron gear, for example, are crazy😂

    Totally enjoy my Digitakt/Digitone/Syntakt, made a lot of music with them. On other side made almost zero music wirh Drambo and it is unlikely i ever do - and i tried hard !

    For every person different tools are perfect and who thinks that people using tool X are crazy just because he likes tool Y, is crazy 🤣

    Btw. If i would be forced to choose between iPad and them, without second of hesitation iPad goes away 🤣

  • @dendy said:

    @rvr said:
    Hell no. Even in current state of things for me its a fact that Ipad music making (for electronic music) is far superior to any hardware in all aspects (and I had a lot of it), but my benchmark is Drambo which is a truly breakthrough software. This opinion gets only stronger with each new app release. The only downside is that there is no choice tablet wise, and it all depends on fucking apple. I look at new music boxes released and it feels ridiculous to spend money now on those limited physical bricks that occupy space, wear off, need cables, are limited af etc etc., when having touchpad technology with a powerful cpu. My personal opinion that people buying elektron gear, for example, are crazy😂

    Totally enjoy my Digitakt/Digitone/Syntakt, made a lot of music with them. On other side made almost zero music wirh Drambo and it is unlikely i ever do - and i tried hard !

    For every person different tools are perfect and who thinks that people using tool X are crazy just because he likes tool Y, is crazy 🤣

    Btw. If i would be forced to choose between iPad and them, without second of hesitation iPad goes away 🤣

    Never ever underestimate creative mojo workflow. Even just performing artists need to find their most inspiring instrument.

    If someone loves to touch a piece of glass and smear their own sweat with their fingers all day long, it does not mean it’s the only and best option for the music creation.

    Just saying, love you all, love different opinions too. 🫶

  • @Luxthor said:
    Just saying, love you all, love different opinions too.

    pretty much this.

  • @Luxthor said:

    @dendy said:

    @rvr said:
    Hell no. Even in current state of things for me its a fact that Ipad music making (for electronic music) is far superior to any hardware in all aspects (and I had a lot of it), but my benchmark is Drambo which is a truly breakthrough software. This opinion gets only stronger with each new app release. The only downside is that there is no choice tablet wise, and it all depends on fucking apple. I look at new music boxes released and it feels ridiculous to spend money now on those limited physical bricks that occupy space, wear off, need cables, are limited af etc etc., when having touchpad technology with a powerful cpu. My personal opinion that people buying elektron gear, for example, are crazy😂

    Totally enjoy my Digitakt/Digitone/Syntakt, made a lot of music with them. On other side made almost zero music wirh Drambo and it is unlikely i ever do - and i tried hard !

    For every person different tools are perfect and who thinks that people using tool X are crazy just because he likes tool Y, is crazy 🤣

    Btw. If i would be forced to choose between iPad and them, without second of hesitation iPad goes away 🤣

    Never ever underestimate creative mojo workflow. Even just performing artists need to find their most inspiring instrument.

    If someone loves to touch a piece of glass and smear their own sweat with their fingers all day long, it does not mean it’s the only and best option for the music creation.

    Just saying, love you all, love different opinions too. 🫶

    Wait until you learn about the existence of screen wipes! 😉

    Just saying, love you all, love different opinions too. 🫶

  • @ervin said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @dendy said:

    @rvr said:
    Hell no. Even in current state of things for me its a fact that Ipad music making (for electronic music) is far superior to any hardware in all aspects (and I had a lot of it), but my benchmark is Drambo which is a truly breakthrough software. This opinion gets only stronger with each new app release. The only downside is that there is no choice tablet wise, and it all depends on fucking apple. I look at new music boxes released and it feels ridiculous to spend money now on those limited physical bricks that occupy space, wear off, need cables, are limited af etc etc., when having touchpad technology with a powerful cpu. My personal opinion that people buying elektron gear, for example, are crazy😂

    Totally enjoy my Digitakt/Digitone/Syntakt, made a lot of music with them. On other side made almost zero music wirh Drambo and it is unlikely i ever do - and i tried hard !

    For every person different tools are perfect and who thinks that people using tool X are crazy just because he likes tool Y, is crazy 🤣

    Btw. If i would be forced to choose between iPad and them, without second of hesitation iPad goes away 🤣

    Never ever underestimate creative mojo workflow. Even just performing artists need to find their most inspiring instrument.

    If someone loves to touch a piece of glass and smear their own sweat with their fingers all day long, it does not mean it’s the only and best option for the music creation.

    Just saying, love you all, love different opinions too. 🫶

    Wait until you learn about the existence of screen wipes! 😉

    Just saying, love you all, love different opinions too. 🫶

    You don’t need screen wipes when you can have Touchwipes! 😂

  • lol that is simultaneously ridiculous, hilarious and outrageous brilliant 🤣

  • edited August 2023

    :lol: a finger condom wtf
    edit: could've called a sock too :tongue:

  • @Luxthor said:

    @ervin said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @dendy said:

    @rvr said:
    Hell no. Even in current state of things for me its a fact that Ipad music making (for electronic music) is far superior to any hardware in all aspects (and I had a lot of it), but my benchmark is Drambo which is a truly breakthrough software. This opinion gets only stronger with each new app release. The only downside is that there is no choice tablet wise, and it all depends on fucking apple. I look at new music boxes released and it feels ridiculous to spend money now on those limited physical bricks that occupy space, wear off, need cables, are limited af etc etc., when having touchpad technology with a powerful cpu. My personal opinion that people buying elektron gear, for example, are crazy😂

    Totally enjoy my Digitakt/Digitone/Syntakt, made a lot of music with them. On other side made almost zero music wirh Drambo and it is unlikely i ever do - and i tried hard !

    For every person different tools are perfect and who thinks that people using tool X are crazy just because he likes tool Y, is crazy 🤣

    Btw. If i would be forced to choose between iPad and them, without second of hesitation iPad goes away 🤣

    Never ever underestimate creative mojo workflow. Even just performing artists need to find their most inspiring instrument.

    If someone loves to touch a piece of glass and smear their own sweat with their fingers all day long, it does not mean it’s the only and best option for the music creation.

    Just saying, love you all, love different opinions too. 🫶

    Wait until you learn about the existence of screen wipes! 😉

    Just saying, love you all, love different opinions too. 🫶

    You don’t need screen wipes when you can have Touchwipes! 😂

    Immaculate content, both literally and figuratively. 👏👏👏

  • Thanks to hardware my iPad 6 gen is still very capable because it’s the “mixer” for my eurorack and MPC via an ES9. I can quickly mix, record, do complex rerouting for hardware aux, cv controls and midi sequencing. Hardware has relieved the iPad of all the heavier work of generating cpu intensive sound generation, sample playback and complex FX.

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