which ios delay app has the slowest possible time? (largest buffer?)

Bruques

Hiya,
Question for collectors of ios delays, if anyone can advise, which ios delay do you know has the slowest time, whether in seconds or beats/bars?

Thanks!

bygjohn

This isn’t definitive, but Gauss has a tape length of 45 seconds at normal speed, so much longer if running the “tape” at half or quarter speed. To use it as a delay, just set the loop decay to determine how much the signal reduces on each pass.

Also, in MiRack there’s a Nysthi Clockable Delay module that has a max time of 186 seconds. So Gauss with the “tape” running below quarter speed would have it beaten.

Gavinski

@bygjohn said:
This isn’t definitive, but Gauss has a tape length of 45 seconds at normal speed, so much longer if running the “tape” at half or quarter speed. To use it as a delay, just set the loop decay to determine how much the signal reduces on each pass.

Also, in MiRack there’s a Nysthi Clockable Delay module that has a max time of 186 seconds. So Gauss with the “tape” running below quarter speed would have it beaten.

This gauss tip was exactly the first thing I thought of when I saw the question. Very much doubt there's a dedicated delay app to match those lengths! Of course, using gauss in this way means you're always getting feedback, but I do love using it this way.

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:

@bygjohn said:
This isn’t definitive, but Gauss has a tape length of 45 seconds at normal speed, so much longer if running the “tape” at half or quarter speed. To use it as a delay, just set the loop decay to determine how much the signal reduces on each pass.

Also, in MiRack there’s a Nysthi Clockable Delay module that has a max time of 186 seconds. So Gauss with the “tape” running below quarter speed would have it beaten.

This gauss tip was exactly the first thing I thought of when I saw the question. Very much doubt there's a dedicated delay app to match those lengths! Of course, using gauss in this way means you're always getting feedback, but I do love using it this way.

Fwiw, you can do this with Loopy Pro without any limit on the loop length.

Gavinski

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@bygjohn said:
This isn’t definitive, but Gauss has a tape length of 45 seconds at normal speed, so much longer if running the “tape” at half or quarter speed. To use it as a delay, just set the loop decay to determine how much the signal reduces on each pass.

Also, in MiRack there’s a Nysthi Clockable Delay module that has a max time of 186 seconds. So Gauss with the “tape” running below quarter speed would have it beaten.

This gauss tip was exactly the first thing I thought of when I saw the question. Very much doubt there's a dedicated delay app to match those lengths! Of course, using gauss in this way means you're always getting feedback, but I do love using it this way.

Fwiw, you can do this with Loopy Pro without any limit on the loop length.

Nice! Does Loopy Pro have overdub with an adjustable decay setting too?

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@bygjohn said:
This isn’t definitive, but Gauss has a tape length of 45 seconds at normal speed, so much longer if running the “tape” at half or quarter speed. To use it as a delay, just set the loop decay to determine how much the signal reduces on each pass.

Also, in MiRack there’s a Nysthi Clockable Delay module that has a max time of 186 seconds. So Gauss with the “tape” running below quarter speed would have it beaten.

This gauss tip was exactly the first thing I thought of when I saw the question. Very much doubt there's a dedicated delay app to match those lengths! Of course, using gauss in this way means you're always getting feedback, but I do love using it this way.

Fwiw, you can do this with Loopy Pro without any limit on the loop length.

Nice! Does Loopy Pro have overdub with an adjustable decay setting too?

Yes, which is why mentioned that Loopy Pro can do this.

Bruques

Thanks folks. Anything that's not paradigmatically a looper though? IE you send in to a delay and its always listening then, rather than actioning record and stop etc, and where the functionality is closer to that found in a delay unit (albeit putting aside that historical delay units dna comes from tape loops), where filtering and modulation and anything else is inevitably baked in to every fed back cycle.
Thanks

tyslothrop1

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@bygjohn said:
This isn’t definitive, but Gauss has a tape length of 45 seconds at normal speed, so much longer if running the “tape” at half or quarter speed. To use it as a delay, just set the loop decay to determine how much the signal reduces on each pass.

Also, in MiRack there’s a Nysthi Clockable Delay module that has a max time of 186 seconds. So Gauss with the “tape” running below quarter speed would have it beaten.

This gauss tip was exactly the first thing I thought of when I saw the question. Very much doubt there's a dedicated delay app to match those lengths! Of course, using gauss in this way means you're always getting feedback, but I do love using it this way.

Fwiw, you can do this with Loopy Pro without any limit on the loop length.

Nice! Does Loopy Pro have overdub with an adjustable decay setting too?

Yes, which is why mentioned that Loopy Pro can do this.

Cool, where can you set this up?

bygjohn

@Bruques said:
Thanks folks. Anything that's not paradigmatically a looper though? IE you send in to a delay and its always listening then, rather than actioning record and stop etc, and where the functionality is closer to that found in a delay unit (albeit putting aside that historical delay units dna comes from tape loops), where filtering and modulation and anything else is inevitably baked in to every fed back cycle.
Thanks

Gauss pretty much meets this requirement. Yes, you do need to set it running after it first loads (or if you reload a session in AUM with it in a node), but after that it functions as required - it’s not a normal looper.

I’m not sure from your phrasing whether you want filtering/modulation in the feedback loop or not - it could be read either way. Gauss has filtering and modulation if you want it (if you don’t, leave the filter open and modulation turned right down, likewise don’t apply it’s internal delay, and you can turn off the tape wobble). With the Nysthi delay in MiRack you have the option of inserting other effects in the feedback loop if you want them, and you can modulate the speed etc as you’d expect with virtual modular.

Bruques

@bygjohn said:

@Bruques said:
Thanks folks. Anything that's not paradigmatically a looper though? IE you send in to a delay and its always listening then, rather than actioning record and stop etc, and where the functionality is closer to that found in a delay unit (albeit putting aside that historical delay units dna comes from tape loops), where filtering and modulation and anything else is inevitably baked in to every fed back cycle.
Thanks

Gauss pretty much meets this requirement. Yes, you do need to set it running after it first loads (or if you reload a session in AUM with it in a node), but after that it functions as required - it’s not a normal looper.

I’m not sure from your phrasing whether you want filtering/modulation in the feedback loop or not - it could be read either way. Gauss has filtering and modulation if you want it (if you don’t, leave the filter open and modulation turned right down, likewise don’t apply it’s internal delay, and you can turn off the tape wobble). With the Nysthi delay in MiRack you have the option of inserting other effects in the feedback loop if you want them, and you can modulate the speed etc as you’d expect with virtual modular.

It has a feedback setting?
Manual doesn't show it. http://ruismaker.com/wp-content/uploads/Gauss_poster.pdf

Otherwise it seems the answer is Virsyn Tap Delay with 10seconds.

Gavinski

@Bruques said:

@bygjohn said:

@Bruques said:
Thanks folks. Anything that's not paradigmatically a looper though? IE you send in to a delay and its always listening then, rather than actioning record and stop etc, and where the functionality is closer to that found in a delay unit (albeit putting aside that historical delay units dna comes from tape loops), where filtering and modulation and anything else is inevitably baked in to every fed back cycle.
Thanks

Gauss pretty much meets this requirement. Yes, you do need to set it running after it first loads (or if you reload a session in AUM with it in a node), but after that it functions as required - it’s not a normal looper.

I’m not sure from your phrasing whether you want filtering/modulation in the feedback loop or not - it could be read either way. Gauss has filtering and modulation if you want it (if you don’t, leave the filter open and modulation turned right down, likewise don’t apply it’s internal delay, and you can turn off the tape wobble). With the Nysthi delay in MiRack you have the option of inserting other effects in the feedback loop if you want them, and you can modulate the speed etc as you’d expect with virtual modular.

It has a feedback setting?
Manual doesn't show it. http://ruismaker.com/wp-content/uploads/Gauss_poster.pdf

Otherwise it seems the answer is Virsyn Tap Delay with 10seconds.

It doesn't have a feedback setting for the delay in gauss. When I mentioned feedback earlier I was talking about using the decay setting in gauss record overdub mode as a kind of frippertronics thing, which can essentially function as a delay with feedback.

@bygjohn can explain to you what he meant about feedback loops and mirack, but he also wasn't referring to gauss actually having a feedback knob for its internal delay

Bruques

@Gavinski said:

@Bruques said:

@bygjohn said:

@Bruques said:
Thanks folks. Anything that's not paradigmatically a looper though? IE you send in to a delay and its always listening then, rather than actioning record and stop etc, and where the functionality is closer to that found in a delay unit (albeit putting aside that historical delay units dna comes from tape loops), where filtering and modulation and anything else is inevitably baked in to every fed back cycle.
Thanks

Gauss pretty much meets this requirement. Yes, you do need to set it running after it first loads (or if you reload a session in AUM with it in a node), but after that it functions as required - it’s not a normal looper.

I’m not sure from your phrasing whether you want filtering/modulation in the feedback loop or not - it could be read either way. Gauss has filtering and modulation if you want it (if you don’t, leave the filter open and modulation turned right down, likewise don’t apply it’s internal delay, and you can turn off the tape wobble). With the Nysthi delay in MiRack you have the option of inserting other effects in the feedback loop if you want them, and you can modulate the speed etc as you’d expect with virtual modular.

It has a feedback setting?
Manual doesn't show it. http://ruismaker.com/wp-content/uploads/Gauss_poster.pdf

Otherwise it seems the answer is Virsyn Tap Delay with 10seconds.

It doesn't have a feedback setting for the delay in gauss. When I mentioned feedback earlier I was talking about using the decay setting in gauss record overdub mode as a kind of frippertronics thing, which can essentially function as a delay with feedback.

@bygjohn can explain to you what he meant about feedback loops and mirack, but he also wasn't referring to gauss actually having a feedback knob for its internal delay

i think that amounts the same thing right? decay in overdub meaning a less than 100% feedback,, just that the "manual" is incomplete on this

Bruques

The manual is still from 2020 and doesn't show the decay knob, looking at more recent YT video indeed I can see decay control, so I get why y'all would suggest it isn't a straight looper, certainly an option, and far longer than any delay plug. Cheers

Gavinski

@Bruques said:

@Gavinski said:

@Bruques said:

@bygjohn said:

@Bruques said:
Thanks folks. Anything that's not paradigmatically a looper though? IE you send in to a delay and its always listening then, rather than actioning record and stop etc, and where the functionality is closer to that found in a delay unit (albeit putting aside that historical delay units dna comes from tape loops), where filtering and modulation and anything else is inevitably baked in to every fed back cycle.
Thanks

Gauss pretty much meets this requirement. Yes, you do need to set it running after it first loads (or if you reload a session in AUM with it in a node), but after that it functions as required - it’s not a normal looper.

I’m not sure from your phrasing whether you want filtering/modulation in the feedback loop or not - it could be read either way. Gauss has filtering and modulation if you want it (if you don’t, leave the filter open and modulation turned right down, likewise don’t apply it’s internal delay, and you can turn off the tape wobble). With the Nysthi delay in MiRack you have the option of inserting other effects in the feedback loop if you want them, and you can modulate the speed etc as you’d expect with virtual modular.

It has a feedback setting?
Manual doesn't show it. http://ruismaker.com/wp-content/uploads/Gauss_poster.pdf

Otherwise it seems the answer is Virsyn Tap Delay with 10seconds.

It doesn't have a feedback setting for the delay in gauss. When I mentioned feedback earlier I was talking about using the decay setting in gauss record overdub mode as a kind of frippertronics thing, which can essentially function as a delay with feedback.

@bygjohn can explain to you what he meant about feedback loops and mirack, but he also wasn't referring to gauss actually having a feedback knob for its internal delay

i think that amounts the same thing right? decay in overdub meaning a less than 100% feedback,, just that the "manual" is incomplete on this

Yes, but I just mean that the actual delay knob doesn't have any feedback control - all it has is delay amount & delay time. I did find the lack of a feedback knob puzzling at the time.

Gavinski

@Bruques said:
The manual is still from 2020 and doesn't show the decay knob, looking at more recent YT video indeed I can see decay control, so I get why y'all would suggest it isn't a straight looper, certainly an option, and far longer than any delay plug. Cheers

@brambos time for a manual update maybe? 😁

Bruques

@JMcM said:
Not sure how long the delay is but Kosmonaut might do?

maximum delay in kosmonaut is 8 beats which is about the same as most. so far of what i've found only virsyn tap delay and then seemingly gauss do signficantly longer

bygjohn

@Bruques said:

@Gavinski said:

It doesn't have a feedback setting for the delay in gauss. When I mentioned feedback earlier I was talking about using the decay setting in gauss record overdub mode as a kind of frippertronics thing, which can essentially function as a delay with feedback.

@bygjohn can explain to you what he meant about feedback loops and mirack, but he also wasn't referring to gauss actually having a feedback knob for its internal delay

i think that amounts the same thing right? decay in overdub meaning a less than 100% feedback,, just that the "manual" is incomplete on this

Yes, Gav’s right. There’s an internal delay in Gauss which doesn’t really come into play in the current discussion. The loop decay is essentially a feedback control when using the tape loop as a delay.

The Nysthi clockable delay with a bit of the manual, key bit is the number of patch points for inserting other effects before and with the feedback loop:

Re Kosmonaut: 8 beats is the max with the knob on the panel, but if you use the parameter you can get much longer delay times, either using MIDI CC or just make it the exposed control on AUM and turn the knob:

Bruques

@bygjohn said:

@Bruques said:

@Gavinski said:

It doesn't have a feedback setting for the delay in gauss. When I mentioned feedback earlier I was talking about using the decay setting in gauss record overdub mode as a kind of frippertronics thing, which can essentially function as a delay with feedback.

@bygjohn can explain to you what he meant about feedback loops and mirack, but he also wasn't referring to gauss actually having a feedback knob for its internal delay

i think that amounts the same thing right? decay in overdub meaning a less than 100% feedback,, just that the "manual" is incomplete on this

Yes, Gav’s right. There’s an internal delay in Gauss which doesn’t really come into play in the current discussion. The loop decay is essentially a feedback control when using the tape loop as a delay.

The Nysthi clockable delay with a bit of the manual, key bit is the number of patch points for inserting other effects before and with the feedback loop:

Re Kosmonaut: 8 beats is the max with the knob on the panel, but if you use the parameter you can get much longer delay times, either using MIDI CC or just make it the exposed control on AUM and turn the knob:

that kosmonaut cc function is extremely interesting, and slightly bizarre that it's not openly documented. 127 beats is a boatload. i assume that's the actual max based on cc values. great tip and worth a play. thank you!

espiegel123

@tyslothrop1 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@bygjohn said:
This isn’t definitive, but Gauss has a tape length of 45 seconds at normal speed, so much longer if running the “tape” at half or quarter speed. To use it as a delay, just set the loop decay to determine how much the signal reduces on each pass.

Also, in MiRack there’s a Nysthi Clockable Delay module that has a max time of 186 seconds. So Gauss with the “tape” running below quarter speed would have it beaten.

This gauss tip was exactly the first thing I thought of when I saw the question. Very much doubt there's a dedicated delay app to match those lengths! Of course, using gauss in this way means you're always getting feedback, but I do love using it this way.

Fwiw, you can do this with Loopy Pro without any limit on the loop length.

Nice! Does Loopy Pro have overdub with an adjustable decay setting too?

Yes, which is why mentioned that Loopy Pro can do this.

Cool, where can you set this up?

Loops have an overdub feedback property. You can set up a widget or midi binding to control it. You can also set up a loop to automatically overdub when initial recording ends.

tyslothrop1

@espiegel123 Thanks!

jblock

Since you asked about delay and not a looper, Virsyn is pretty much it for a dedicated delay app at 10 seconds. I wish more devs would make a delay with longer delay times. And by longer I mean over 10 seconds. I prefer delays for sound on sound rather than loopers. Gauss is great but I need to be able to disengage loop recording to solo over it and then re-engage to add more to the loop as it decays. Unfortunately, Gauss has an audible thump when you engage/disengage the record button once you get a loop going.

Gavinski

@bygjohn said:

@Bruques said:

@Gavinski said:

It doesn't have a feedback setting for the delay in gauss. When I mentioned feedback earlier I was talking about using the decay setting in gauss record overdub mode as a kind of frippertronics thing, which can essentially function as a delay with feedback.

@bygjohn can explain to you what he meant about feedback loops and mirack, but he also wasn't referring to gauss actually having a feedback knob for its internal delay

i think that amounts the same thing right? decay in overdub meaning a less than 100% feedback,, just that the "manual" is incomplete on this

Yes, Gav’s right. There’s an internal delay in Gauss which doesn’t really come into play in the current discussion. The loop decay is essentially a feedback control when using the tape loop as a delay.

The Nysthi clockable delay with a bit of the manual, key bit is the number of patch points for inserting other effects before and with the feedback loop:

Re Kosmonaut: 8 beats is the max with the knob on the panel, but if you use the parameter you can get much longer delay times, either using MIDI CC or just make it the exposed control on AUM and turn the knob:

Nice tip Re kosmonaut, never knew that. Another worthy manual addition maybe @brambos? 😁

Bruques

@jblock said:
Since you asked about delay and not a looper, Virsyn is pretty much it for a dedicated delay app at 10 seconds. I wish more devs would make a delay with longer delay times. And by longer I mean over 10 seconds. I prefer delays for sound on sound rather than loopers. Gauss is great but I need to be able to disengage loop recording to solo over it and then re-engage to add more to the loop as it decays. Unfortunately, Gauss has an audible thump when you engage/disengage the record button once you get a loop going.

thanks! definition of On T much appreciated. (no shade to other suggestions though! all appreciated.) i learnt a lot

espiegel123

@jblock said:
Since you asked about delay and not a looper, Virsyn is pretty much it for a dedicated delay app at 10 seconds. I wish more devs would make a delay with longer delay times. And by longer I mean over 10 seconds. I prefer delays for sound on sound rather than loopers. Gauss is great but I need to be able to disengage loop recording to solo over it and then re-engage to add more to the loop as it decays. Unfortunately, Gauss has an audible thump when you engage/disengage the record button once you get a loop going.

Fwiw, this can be done in loopy pro with no thump. Not that loopy is a replacement for Gauss… but for the use case of long loops with overdub feedback decay and bring an input in and out, Loopy works well.

Luxthor

@Bruques said:
Hiya,
Question for collectors of ios delays, if anyone can advise, which ios delay do you know has the slowest time, whether in seconds or beats/bars?

Thanks!

If I may ask, for what usage anyone needs 10+ sec. delay, I’m really interested? Thirsty for knowledge! 😅

Bruques

@espiegel123 said:

@jblock said:
Since you asked about delay and not a looper, Virsyn is pretty much it for a dedicated delay app at 10 seconds. I wish more devs would make a delay with longer delay times. And by longer I mean over 10 seconds. I prefer delays for sound on sound rather than loopers. Gauss is great but I need to be able to disengage loop recording to solo over it and then re-engage to add more to the loop as it decays. Unfortunately, Gauss has an audible thump when you engage/disengage the record button once you get a loop going.

Fwiw, this can be done in loopy pro with no thump. Not that loopy is a replacement for Gauss… but for the use case of long loops with overdub feedback decay and bring an input in and out, Loopy works well.

do you by any chance have a configuration example of achieving a donut/colour channel somehow feeding back in to an overdub after the fact of it being processed by some chain of whatever effects processes you might like? to my tiny mind this only becomes possible when the roadmap listed functionality of flexible bus routing makes it to being released.

Bruques

@Luxthor said:

@Bruques said:
Hiya,
Question for collectors of ios delays, if anyone can advise, which ios delay do you know has the slowest time, whether in seconds or beats/bars?

Thanks!

If I may ask, for what usage anyone needs 10+ sec. delay, I’m really interested? Thirsty for knowledge! 😅

Alien whale music. Not alien music, and not whale music, but alien whale music. Cosmicwhaletronica.

espiegel123

@Bruques said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jblock said:
Since you asked about delay and not a looper, Virsyn is pretty much it for a dedicated delay app at 10 seconds. I wish more devs would make a delay with longer delay times. And by longer I mean over 10 seconds. I prefer delays for sound on sound rather than loopers. Gauss is great but I need to be able to disengage loop recording to solo over it and then re-engage to add more to the loop as it decays. Unfortunately, Gauss has an audible thump when you engage/disengage the record button once you get a loop going.

Fwiw, this can be done in loopy pro with no thump. Not that loopy is a replacement for Gauss… but for the use case of long loops with overdub feedback decay and bring an input in and out, Loopy works well.

do you by any chance have a configuration example of achieving a donut/colour channel somehow feeding back in to an overdub after the fact of it being processed by some chain of whatever effects processes you might like? to my tiny mind this only becomes possible when the roadmap listed functionality of flexible bus routing makes it to being released.

Colors can be destinations for sends. If you set up a send from orange and make orange a destination for the bus, you have a controllable feedback loop.

espiegel123

@Luxthor said:

@Bruques said:
Hiya,
Question for collectors of ios delays, if anyone can advise, which ios delay do you know has the slowest time, whether in seconds or beats/bars?

Thanks!

If I may ask, for what usage anyone needs 10+ sec. delay, I’m really interested? Thirsty for knowledge! 😅

frippertronics would be one example.

Bruques

@espiegel123 said:

@Bruques said:

@espiegel123 said:

@jblock said:
Since you asked about delay and not a looper, Virsyn is pretty much it for a dedicated delay app at 10 seconds. I wish more devs would make a delay with longer delay times. And by longer I mean over 10 seconds. I prefer delays for sound on sound rather than loopers. Gauss is great but I need to be able to disengage loop recording to solo over it and then re-engage to add more to the loop as it decays. Unfortunately, Gauss has an audible thump when you engage/disengage the record button once you get a loop going.

Fwiw, this can be done in loopy pro with no thump. Not that loopy is a replacement for Gauss… but for the use case of long loops with overdub feedback decay and bring an input in and out, Loopy works well.

do you by any chance have a configuration example of achieving a donut/colour channel somehow feeding back in to an overdub after the fact of it being processed by some chain of whatever effects processes you might like? to my tiny mind this only becomes possible when the roadmap listed functionality of flexible bus routing makes it to being released.

Colors can be destinations for sends. If you set up a send from orange and make orange a destination for the bus, you have a controllable feedback loop.

Thanks, that had passed me, actually very simple

espiegel123

@Bruques said:

do you by any chance have a configuration example of achieving a donut/colour channel somehow feeding back in to an overdub after the fact of it being processed by some chain of whatever effects processes you might like? to my tiny mind this only becomes possible when the roadmap listed functionality of flexible bus routing makes it to being released.