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Indeed! But I don't really understand why. Is this a 'blacklisted' company?
Not really. They just didn’t announce it with enough info or a decent demo. No one wants to promise their money to pre order an app we know little about. I love their other 2 apps (and most seem to agree) but there’s just not enough out there about this one.
There aren't many vocalists on the forum, and to be fair it's hard to know what this app does. Vocal processing doesn't need much more than compression and reverb, so I'm struggling to see what's special about this app.
Maybe it does something unique that sets it apart but if that’s the case why haven’t they said what it is 😂 seems like that’s what is holding people back so surely that would help sales.
From the description I read of the features, it does nothing unique. If people want an all in one solution for vocals, it would perhaps work out cheaper than buying separate compressors, noise removers etc, but most app collectors - ie most ppl on the AB Forum - already have all they need to process vocals, and as Richard said, there are very few people singing into their ipad here, it seems
Ah that’s a shame. Maybe the quality will be good enough to justify it? Rhino sounds absolutely fantastic. But I do a lot more effects processing than vocal processing because I rarely do vocals. So may not really be for me any way.
I get that aspect, but that doesn't seem to be the dominant reason.
This is what I'm not understanding. It's not that I don't get the argument that many of us likely already have too much app redundancy. I'm just not sure why this particular app is where the line would be drawn.
Of course, there is a lot to be said on either side of the 'Channel-Strip-vs-separate-plugins' debate. But even those who prefer the greater control offered by using independent plugins normally understand that there is a convenience trade-off when compared to channel-strips.
On desktop, with a 28 "HD display, I can comfortably (i.e be able to easily control) 6 or 7 open plugins, but on iOS I'm pretty sure most DAW can only display one at a time. AUM is an exception, but I'm not sure AUM is where most would got to record vocal tracks. So for me (and this is just a personal opinion) simplified all-in-one strips can be a real benefit for mobile music-making.
The 'Knock' strip, 'Beef', 'Bandit' and 'MixBox' all seem to get a lot of love here, despite none of them doing anything that can't already be done with combos of apps many of us already own.
Is this just a case of 'The last straw...'?
I liked the Izotope plugins like Nectar where you get all the necessary tools in one app. That’s probably the segment this is reaching for. If it has a good de-esser and noise removal it can be useful. The closest on iOS would be MixBox, I believe. But MixBox lacks noise suppression, very dodgy noise gate and I don’t really like the UI as it doesn’t give you a lot of info about what’s happening.
For a “main” vocal maybe I’d stick with individual plugins, as I’m under the impression that you’d get more quality out of dedicated plugins. But for overdubs or songs with loads of harmonies and layers these all-in-one are really handy as it’s a lot faster to setup.
@el_bo @tahiche yeah you both make some good points. Wonder why the lack of love for the ios version then? Basically maybe people just aren't used to kickstarters for iOS apps? Or, again, most likely because relatively few people on iOS - can only judge from this forum though, which is not very representative perhaps - do vocal processing on iOS?
What am I buying?. I really don’t see the point. Don’t know what processing it’ll include, how it sounds, what the ui is like… I would ask the opposite. Who is putting money in advance with this amount of info?
I don't know why people keep saying that lol. All the info is in the 2nd link posted in the first post in this thread, this one:
https://4fund.com/banshee
Just need to scroll down a bit
I'm not buying nuthin' until I see Gav or Dougie do a demo...
I like your attitude haha
I don't see why this wouldn't be at home processing synth sounds...or indeed anything else.
That it comes with certain things that are useful for vocals is even better. Gates, de-essers, pre-amps and LA-2A compression are useful on many different kinds of source material.
Also, looking at the blurb it seems that every section can be expanded for much deeper control. Seems like as long as the effects are of good quality and there's a good amount of flexibility in the deeper controls, it could be be a real winner.
If I have any criticism from what I can see so far, it's that the interface seems too dark. Not that I'd prefer a blinding light mode. Just think this could do with some lightening up, better contrast and better use of colour etc.
I dont think there is a dominant reason. Seems like a lot of things going wrong at once. Being the first (that I’ve seen) iOS music app on Kickstarter, lack of people doing vocal processing on iOS, lack of deep or detailed demos or info, does similar things to other apps, etc. All that rolled up into one = no joy.
I guess…
But I'm still not seeing this as a vocal-only proposition. But even if it were, did BLEASS receive similar criticism when releasing their vocal harmoniser? I don’t seem to remember it being dismissed on the grounds of their being a dearth of iOS vocalists. I seem to remember quite a bit of excitement. Moreover, there were those happy to try it with guitars and I'm sure people have used it for all manner of audio sources. Again, there is nothing about this channel-strip that couldn’t be very useful for a synth-only musician.
And it being Kickstarter doesn’t bother me in the slightest. As far as I’m aware, there’s no jeopardy on the part of the investor, and the company gets to see if there is potential demand. And I can appreciate it makes a lot of sense for the developer. In this case, (at least last time I checked), they might end up saving themselves time, money and stress by avoiding the iOS market. It would be a shame imo, as I reckon this could be good.
I mean you asked the question. 🤷🏻♂️ You seem like you wanted an answer but then you’ve tried to refute everyone thats answered you. I don’t know what you want at this point lol
Also the Bleass app is very different from this. This is a collection of things like a compressor, de-esser, etc. Harmonizer is something totally different and overall pretty unique on iOS besides another app or 2 and even then it kinda stands on its own.
Not saying this is bad or will be bad. I don’t think anyone is. You wanted an answer as to why there may not be as much excitement and we tried to answer you. Imo, I think it had potential to be good, but that’s just me.
Well, yeah...Initially I asked a pretty open-ended question. But between then and now I refined my enquiry to trying to ascertain why it was this app that was the 'one app too many', why similar 'convenience' strips (Knock, Beef, etc.) weren't also judged in the vein of "Why would I buy this when I've already got more powerful individual units?" and why anything about the included modules suggests this is for vocalists only.
Anyway...Let's leave it there. This is evidently a 'me' problem.
ok! 👌 just saw it. Scrolling is so millennial 😂
So it does look pretty full-featured. I still won’t do the kickstart (my heart), but I’ll probably get it when it comes out,
I git mixed feelings about this dev’s interfaces (I own mammoth and rhino). I like the layout and navigation. It’s very smart how you get basic controls and then the expanded window for more tweaking. But it’s a bit too “heavy metal” looking, I find them a bit tiring to look at.
It’s the modules that suggest is for vocals only, but the fact that it’s marketed to vocalists lol. But I don’t think it’s mentioned anywhere that it’s only for vocalists though.
And I wouldn’t really consider Beef or Knock to be in the same vein. While this isn’t only for vocals, it’s tailored towards vocals. Knock is designed and tailored for drums, same with Beef albeit a little less so.
I associate kickstarter type campaigns with “innovation”, “never seen before”, “first of its kind”, “invention”, “patent”, that kind of thing. I associate go fund me type campaigns with medical bills. Banshee sounds like it could be as good as what’s out there already, but in their own unique format. And that’s great, but that doesn’t sway me to fund it. Just release it, and if it’s great then word of mouth or pudding proof will generate sales.
Kickstarters are pretty common for ventures where the creators (programmers, game designers) aren’t likely to have big income and provides a way to both gauge if the is enough interest to cover one’s time and to be able to pay some bills while you get the work done.
I see people here suggesting kickstarters from to time to fund development of things that developers seem loathe to work on.
I think these devs are trying something out to see if it works out better for their cash flow than investing all the time before getting any pay.