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Yamaha finger drum ? uh?

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  • edited September 2023

    @jollyDodger said:
    No midi I/O, no battery, no multi-velocity\round-robin. No separate headphone out with metronome… But I do like the layout, it’s similar how I map 4x4 pads.

    Should be relatively trivial for app devs to adopt a similar layout if they want (ideally without spurring an infringement lawsuit by Yamaha).

  • @HarlekinX said:
    That said. Not so long ago, i bought the SPD-SX Pro. It was a really great piece of hardware, but ... if you don't have your own house and have neighbors, it is way to loud to play. I even bought floor dampers for the additional kick pedal. But the sticks hitting the pads and the kick pedal still where to loud. So I sold it. I couldn't have fun, always thinking that my neighbors get annoyed in the evening.

    Ahh I use mallets and my kick drum is a 16” kids one with a mesh head & piezo. I live in an apartment but do seem to get away with a bit of noise.

  • >

    Hi. I have the Launchpad X, no computer, and I’m able to configure the custom layout using my iPad mini 2 using the MIDISynth Control app.

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/midisynth-control/id1366849280

    Damn, what a surprise. Tried it and it does a really good job.
    How did you find this? I searched everywhere but never found anything. It's pretty hidden.
    Good we talked about it.
    Thanks

  • What a pleasant surprise.
    I’ve often meant to map drums to my Launchpad X & practise finger drumming , then I wonder about sticks & google midi pads - then forget the whole idea for a while -

    this is a niche product that fills a niche I have long felt but didn’t know how to express ! ,

    & that Yamaha have remembered how to innovate is an added bonus .
    I wish this product well , & it will probably be a constant 3rd on my must get next list .

    I’m intrigued by references to mimicking “real drumming” though - >30 years after Drum’n’Bass rewrote the
    rhythm rules is anyone really saying “of course a real drummer couldn’t play that so I won’t do it “ .

  • Honestly, this looks really fun to jam/practice with. Not at the price they're charging though.

  • edited September 2023

    @HotStrange said:
    So can you not map everything with the Launchpad from the iPad itself? I’m iOS only and have been considering one but I need to be able to map drums and samples to it using the iPad.

    Yes, you can. 👍 LP X owner.

    Great thanks. How are you using it?

    Last year I was using it to record/ play AU instruments inside AUM through multiple Helium instances. I used Helium in RTC mode so I could also jump around the time line via Launch Pad.

    This year I got on with Drambo. So instead of triggering MIDI events, when I feel like
    using Launchpad, it is to trigger audio i record into the Loopy Pro donuts (hosted inside Drambo).

  • Nice idea to create a pad layout optimized for finger drumming.
    I must say that a good custom drum mapping can play very well on a good classic keyboard though.

  • @NeuM said:

    @jollyDodger said:
    No midi I/O, no battery, no multi-velocity\round-robin. No separate headphone out with metronome… But I do like the layout, it’s similar how I map 4x4 pads.

    Should be relatively trivial for app devs to adopt a similar layout if they want (ideally without spurring an infringement lawsuit by Yamaha).

    But an iPad version would not have good velocity sensitivity.

  • edited September 2023

    I found this, https://www.yamaha.com/en/news_release/2023/23090501/

    The differences between the 30 and 50 are explained. The 50 has more features, but I doubt I have a use for that.

    Also this was a good read for me, when it comes to "realistic drums"

    https://audient.com/tutorial/programming-realistic-drums/

    I use Lumbeat drummers on Ipad to avoid all of that, but I am intrigued by this new Yamaha's.

  • The entry level one isn’t that pricey really especially when you consider that it won’t be full RRP price for long.

    It will probably also get a blowout sale when Yamaha give up on it rather than keep iterating and finding the sweet spot.

    If it’s successful it won’t be long before cheap clones start appearing that ‘borrow’ the pad layout.

    It strikes me as being a good idea. I don’t think calling it a typewriter for drums is being disparaging! There’s a reason typewriter keys aren’t laid out in a rectangular grid.

    I can imagine it’s a lot nicer to use for finger drumming than the square grid unless you’re already an MPC finger drumming ninja!

  • definitely interesting to see if this will be a hit or miss. If the finger drummers like the pads it could be a hit. whatever I'm glad it exists.

  • They have nice training video playlists on their channel

    Beginner

    Advanced

  • @HarlekinX said:

    >

    Hi. I have the Launchpad X, no computer, and I’m able to configure the custom layout using my iPad mini 2 using the MIDISynth Control app.

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/midisynth-control/id1366849280

    Damn, what a surprise. Tried it and it does a really good job.
    How did you find this? I searched everywhere but never found anything. It's pretty hidden.
    Good we talked about it.
    Thanks

    Glad I could he helpful! I had found it before I pulled the trigger on the LPX, when I was researching whether or not I needed a computer. I asked about it in an existing LP thread and someone told be about it (here on AB). The LP aspect might have been part of an off-topic inside a controller thread.

  • I’m actually getting more and more interested in this. Right now I’m more considering the DD 75 to get the actual feel of playing drums more. I don’t have space for a full set but that would work. And I’m not sure I want to give that up. But man does this look cool (to me) and audio and midi over usb is cool.

    This could either be a really big deal or not a deal at all. I’m hoping the former.

  • I think if I get the 30, I can play live "realistic" drum loops and record these in Loopy Pro as audio.

    Hopefully the unit acts like a proper battery powered audio interface, in two ways, drum sound in, and Ipad sound out.

    In combination with a good layout of the pads, proper sensitivity of the pads, nice drumkits, and the audio interface function, it could be a great supplement to my other gear.

    So if someone owns it in the near future, I am curious about the audio interface possibilities.

    The cavat is, I am a guitar player, I cannot think as a drummer. I will probably suck as drummer anyway, with or without the FDGP 30.

  • It's the Yamaha counterpart of the Roland HPD20 HandSonic Electronic Drum Controller.
    My friend bought this. It's an impressive little controller if you are into drumming.

  • @Luxthor said:
    It's the Yamaha counterpart of the Roland HPD20 HandSonic Electronic Drum Controller.
    My friend bought this. It's an impressive little controller if you are into drumming.

    Ah yeah I remember this! The Korg Wavedrum always seemed really cool too!

    Kat makes a cheap $100 one that has pretty good reviews.

  • @HotStrange said:
    I’m actually getting more and more interested in this. Right now I’m more considering the DD 75 to get the actual feel of playing drums more. I don’t have space for a full set but that would work. And I’m not sure I want to give that up. But man does this look cool (to me) and audio and midi over usb is cool.

    This could either be a really big deal or not a deal at all. I’m hoping the former.

    For what it’s worth, I’ve got the DD-65 (the predecessor to the DD-75), and I’ve been very happy with it. I find it a great compromise between finger drumming vs a larger kit. The only issue (it sends the MIDI for closed hat even when the pedal is down) has, I’m told, been fixed in the 75.

  • @Bruques said:
    Fred Again's appearance at Glasto looks like a finger drumming equivalent to what KT Tunstall's appearance on jools Holland did for looperism

    …got a lot of people interested in the most entry-level version of the technique possible and impeded development of better consumer tech for ten years?

  • A good video for The Quest for Groove.

  • edited September 2023

    It's looks super interesting but I wonder how long it would take for a normal person to get as good as the demo dude (Tom Kroker). He says it's easy to learn but that's not to be trusted is it as he works for Yamaha. Anyway, I will take a long hard think over if it might be worth saving up to. Beside the guitars I don't have any hardware (I have usb keyboards) so it could be fun. Hmm...

    Everything about the development of the FGDP

  • That demo dude has been a drummer for thirty years for some major players, and teaches at the college level now. He'd better be good.

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  • @Pxlhg said:
    It's looks super interesting but I wonder how long it would take for a normal person to get as good as the demo dude (Tom Kroker). He says it's easy to learn but that's not to be trusted is it as he works for Yamaha. Anyway, I will take a long hard think over if it might be worth saving up to. Beside the guitars I don't have any hardware (I have usb keyboards) so it could be fun. Hmm...

    Everything about the development of the FGDP

    Have you ever seen "Dr. Mix" on YouTube 'play the drums' on a keyboard? One can get very good playing this way with a bit of practice. I'm sure there are some subtleties which would be lost with any purely finger based input method, but you can get pretty close.

  • The hype and bandwagon these things generated is making TE jealous

  • @fisherro said:

    @HotStrange said:
    I’m actually getting more and more interested in this. Right now I’m more considering the DD 75 to get the actual feel of playing drums more. I don’t have space for a full set but that would work. And I’m not sure I want to give that up. But man does this look cool (to me) and audio and midi over usb is cool.

    This could either be a really big deal or not a deal at all. I’m hoping the former.

    For what it’s worth, I’ve got the DD-65 (the predecessor to the DD-75), and I’ve been very happy with it. I find it a great compromise between finger drumming vs a larger kit. The only issue (it sends the MIDI for closed hat even when the pedal is down) has, I’m told, been fixed in the 75.

    Thanks. I’m a drummer first and living in a tiny home with neighbors I can’t fit or reasonably use a real kit or full size electric kit so that’s probably the best I can do. Gonna try and snag one in the next month or so I think. How’s it feel playing wise?

  • edited September 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    Thanks. I’m a drummer first and living in a tiny home with neighbors I can’t fit or reasonably use a real kit or full size electric kit so that’s probably the best I can do. Gonna try and snag one in the next month or so I think. How’s it feel playing wise?

    From my understanding, when you drum silent with sticks, there is still a lot of noise in your house, that neighbours can hear of feel. So a kit that can be played with hands would be better.

    It seems that the Yamaha Fingerdrum has a lot in common with this one from Yamaha, is this mentioned already?

    https://nl.yamaha.com/nl/products/musical_instruments/drums/el_drums/drum_kits/dtx_multi_pad/features.html

  • @raabje said:

    @HotStrange said:

    Thanks. I’m a drummer first and living in a tiny home with neighbors I can’t fit or reasonably use a real kit or full size electric kit so that’s probably the best I can do. Gonna try and snag one in the next month or so I think. How’s it feel playing wise?

    From my understanding, when you drum silent with sticks, there is still a lot of noise in your house, that neighbours can hear of feel. So a kit that can be played with hands would be better.

    It seems that the Yamaha Fingerdrum has a lot in common with this one from Yamaha, is this mentioned already?

    https://nl.yamaha.com/nl/products/musical_instruments/drums/el_drums/drum_kits/dtx_multi_pad/features.html

    I don’t think so but I’ve been looking at a few of those as well! I’ve played the DD75 and do find them a bit quieter than a normal electric drum set. I think the size changes my play style and I play lighter by default.

    I don’t even think my neighbors would mind or hear a full size electric set, but even then I still don’t use the room for one, so that’s really my only options

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