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Best handwriting experience with Apple Pencil?
There are a lot of note taking / writing apps out there. I am trying to find ones I like the ‘feel’ of. So far my favourite in terms of how it makes my handwriting look and feel is the fountain pen choice inside NoteShelf 3. What lets this app down for me is that it seems very limited in the colours it offers you.
Moleskine Flow has a very beautiful implementation for choosing colours but I can’t get my handwriting to look as nice using it. It also doesn’t have the ‘bite’ I’m after.
INKredible makes my writing look nice and it feels good to use but it has a weird kind of lag between the actual time of writing and the appearance of the characters.
So basically I am looking for:
An experience similar to using a quality fountain pen, preferably with a range of nibs. Something that looks and feels like a ballpoint pen will not satisfy
Ideally, some control over the wetness / dryness of the ‘ink’
The right amount of resistance / ‘bite’ from the virtual paper, while writing, without the accompaniment of any weird visual lag.
Lots of colour options, customizable but quick to dial in
I know lots of people here use their iPad for art etc as well as making music, so am looking forward to hearing people’s views and experience. I’m sure, like everything, a lot comes down to taste, which is why I’ve tried to be as specific as possible about what I personally am looking for.
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I like Zinnia. It requires a subscription, but I find that it offers the greatest amount of flexibility for what you want to do in a Notebook. I create custom .PDF journals to import to it as well which helps me to personalize my experience.
I just made this .PDF for some UX/UI flow explorations for the OpenSource Deluge project:
Notability and GoodNotes also offer really nice inking experiences.
FWIW, after years of searching, I've decided to hitch my horse to the Zinnia wagon.
Thanks EO - Looks pretty good, though it seems that at one time it had a calligraphy pen but now doesn’t? I don’t really see anything fountain-pen-like in there, apart from maybe the paint pen. It has a lot of features I would never need or use, so I don’t think I could see myself paying the pricey sub for this!
Goodnotes, Notability, Collanote
Zinnia is f*** expensive and has much less features than the others.
Even the concept of Defter Notes (like a second brain) is better
My vote goes for GoodNotes6. I’m using Apple Notes but will be transferring everything to Obsidian soon. Also, for ‘Moleskine’ duty, using Sketches Pro.
Nebo is incredible. Amazing handwriting recognition. Diagrams with shape recognition. Sketching. Everything you need. I use it for my consultancy work. It's been a game changer...
Yes. Nebo is very good. I use it all the time. It is very "practical", but maybe not the most beautiful one and not the best feeling.
I recently discovered Noteful. So far I like the minimal looking Ui, it is customizable, writing feels great, very responsible and stable app.
The app can be tested for free with an full unlock iap 5,99€.
One downside I see could be that there’s no search for handwritten text yet.
Defter Notes looks pretty cool but I already have something similar, Liquid Notes - also very cool but I just find I don't really need these kind of wormhole type features. What's the writing experience like in Defter? Seems it doesn't have a manual, only a bunch of short ipad vids? That's a bit annoying for a 20 dollar app, but at least it's not a sub like Zinnia
Yes Noteful seems good. Nice writing experience, I agree! And very cheap for the lifetime Pro upgrade
Collanotes I can't really get my writing to look nice in, unless some of the paid features like stabilizer make a big difference.
Goodnotes and Nebo are both pretty nice but I can't get that bite I like about Noteshelf 3 from them.
@Luxthor yes, Sketches Pro is one of the best writing experiences, for me. Tried their calligraphy app and was a bit disappointed by it tho
Notes+ is a free one I just discovered. I like the way that writes. I'm using a matte screen protector, btw, that also helps
Also Margin Note gives a pretty nice fountain pen experience, though a bit too fast flowing for me
@Luxthor I'm still on Goodnotes 5 btw... Not sure how much better the writing experience in 6 is?
I use Sketches Pro mainly because of its simplicity, great watercolor simulation, and pristine privacy protection. Regarding your question, I have 30+ fountain pens, and with every single one I have a different experience, so I don’t know what experience exactly you are aiming for. Also, a great deal of this experience is in the ink and the paper.
I didn’t test Tayasui calligraphy, so I can’t say anything about it. Procreate is hands down the best app for calligraphy because you need all of the pen control features.
I love this thread, maybe we will discover some hidden gems.
They largely upgraded AI for writing recognition and correction. I decided to migrate to Obsidian, and I’m not using GoodNotes much. I thought it would be best for your needs, but then again, do I really know what your needs actually are? 😅
I like Apple’s Notes app. Super-low latency, you can access a note by tapping the Pencil on the locked, sleeping iPad screen, you can search on your handwritten text, and none of the privacy worries of the using third-party apps.
The only thing with Notes is that it doesn't have a fountain pen option and I really prefer a fountain pen experience to ball point pens.
@Luxthor yes, great thead! Wow, 30 fountain pens lol. Of course you're right, it all depends on the pen, paper, ink etc. That's why ideally an app should seek to give flexible emulations of various combinations of these to come close to the real experience of writing. I love pens but I can't afford, and don't want to, go down a collecting rabbithole. Although I still use pen and paper, I'd mostly prefer to get my fix from a good app. I mean, you could spend thousands on colored inks alone, irl, not to mention various pens, nibs, paper, etc 😂
You'll have to check out that free Notes+ app I mentioned above. Really amazed that's free, nice writing experience, very nice.
This one seems ok, I downloaded the free version yesterday, but for me the writing experience does not match that of Sketches Pro, for example. I also find the UI a bit ugly and dated looking. Icons are crammed together. I care about Ui in general, but especially when it comes to things like a note taking or writing app.
@gav Stabilizer probably makes a huge difference in quality of lines incl handwriting in programs like procreate, fwiw
To me, a huge, huge, HUGE advantage of the Apple Notes app is you know it’s going to be there tomorrow. I’m worried about notes apps that use a proprietary format, and are the only product of some company that could go under. Much bigger risk than posed by IAA apps with their uncertain futures…
Yes... Look for example at 'Defter Notes' which looks like a great app but they clearly don't have the first clue how to do marketing! Wonder how long it will last.
Which screen protector do you use? I bought a pack of three once (something similar to Paperlike but wasn’t that brand) and couldn’t get one cleanly on til the 3rd try. Then shattered my iPad within a week and switched sizes. I did like the feel for both writing and touching though.
Apple Notes has always remained my go to. I tried what had to be everything back in 2019-2020 or so, but keeping an eye on this thread just in case. I just personally never found anything more enjoyable to write with.
Zoom Notes - does a lot, even word/excel documents
Notability - now a subscription model but turns handwriting to text if you want.
For something external they have those Rocketbook Pads and Pens
Digital Notes is currently free usually $.99
Anyone remember the Palm Pilot and their handwriting recognition? It was actually quite good if you learned properly how to write using their alphabet.
I have one around here somewhere… There have been many “optimized” schemes to make the journaling of words more efficient. Shorthand, court reporter terminals (8 levers with specific combinations (like chords) for words or phonemes).
@Gavinski is so old school he wants experience the joys of “beautiful” penmanship. In another couple generations this might be a lost art for many. We will likely skip the intermediate form and just dictate with flawless error, spelling and grammar correction on our personal devices.
This respect for handwriting as a task seems to be high;y respected in japan and most likely many other cultures. I recall reading that D.T. Suzuki liked to write handwritten notes for all his violin students after their recitals. Calligraphy is elevated to high art in japanese culture. In other cultures there are individuals that also see the beauty in an artfully crafted page of text.
Who can say they have better handwriting note than they did 20 years before the advent of the personal communications devices and email?
I got one in Thailand that I read about online and bought in store. It's magnetic so you can take it on and off. Cost slightly over 20 dollars. I just put it on top of the tempered glass screen protector I had. Haven't had it long but so far I like it. The brand name is Apple Sheep, no idea if you can find them outside Thailand. You might want to look at this, which seems very promising, but is not available where I am and no way I'm going to pay for DHL or whatever to buy a damn screen protector lol:
https://shop.astropad.com/products/rock-paper-pencil?variant=41534944182404
Yeah man... I found an old letter from about 25 years ago the other day and apart from bringing back so many memories of the joys of letter writing, I definitely noticed the worsening of my handwriting over the years! Although I'd say it has a lot of character. But yes, there's great pleasure in putting a good pen on good paper, and definitely even with the iPad with a matte screen protector and the right writing app, you can get close. It can be better in some ways - infinite canvases, infinite colour possibilities for both ink and paper, the ability to write huge text that would cost you a small fortune if you were doing it regularly with ink and good fountain pen paper.
Having played around more the past few days, I think for pure writing experience that free Notes+ app suits me best, using the fountain pen in that with the large nib size. As mentioned, pleasure of the act of writing is my main criterion. But yes, Nebo is incredible in its text conversion - blows my mind how accurate it is.
Regarding Apple Notes, they are great for casual usage, have perfect integration with the Apple environment, and have automatic iCloud backup. What I don’t like for normal usage are:
It’s essentially a tourist app. 🏕️ Just enough to have something before you find a true solution. 😎