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which real-time input sampling granular auv3 synth do you like?
I like:
Tardigrain,
but I don't like not having grain shape / window control (and is it just me or sustain doesn't really work?)
Samplewiz2 I really like, but I wish it had grain shape / window controls
FRMS, and there's even basic grain shape control, at least as far as hard or soft, though it feels fiddly in the end, I don't know why but I struggle to get it to sound good.
Spacecraft, is fun in a very different way, but I end up frustrated that its ostensibly an arpeggiation, has no grain shape controls again, and the playhead back and forth motion (a sine?) is dictated (EDIT: I see there are other motions, in the settings for LFO, and grain attack which is some shaping after all) albeit you can change speed and range.
(Looking forward to the next version).
Also,
I love Quanta, it works so well on existing samples, I can almost always coax satisfying results, flexible grain shape, excellent controls and mod routing, but it isn't real-time input grabbing,
though I suppose there would be some way to mitigate this with something else capturing the audio and saving it, then instantly loading that in quanta perhaps?
Anything I've missed?
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You've missed Bleass Granulizer, Fluss, and at least one of those apesoft granular apps, though I forget which, and there are definitely more out there. I think there was a fairly thorough thread about this recently, probably worth a search of the forum - pretty sure everything got covered there
Granulizer and Fluss are more like effects than synths though. I do use Fluss, alongside UA Silo, and I like them a lot, but they're not synths
Good shout on apesoft though, iPulsaret could be the one. Looks like comprehensive controls and live input. (Im guessing not MPE, but hey, can't win everything)
True, I guess I thought the emphasis was on real-time granular sound manipulation. When you want to use the app as an fx, why is it also important to you that it is a synth?
iPulsaret.. Yes not mpe I think. I don't think apesoft ever went down the mpe route, sadly. Then again, probably not a big loss as ios mpe instruments are mostly pretty damn shabby mpe implementations anyway 😂
Oh, here is that recent thread:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56983/your-favourite-auv3-granular-fx-in-2023
I see you commented it it anyway, so yes, I guess the synth aspect must be 6 important to you. You want to add other sounds in along with the sound being processed from another app I guess, sounds interesting 👍
The model of usage is that the real-time input becomes raw material content of the synth and gets played on a synth, not an fx. loaded as an fx on a channel, but not an fx. it's working pretty well, i just hope to find a better version, because none of the above have it all sorted.
hmm can't really agree on mpe on ios being shabby. i don't lack anything that i would have on desktop. tera pro, sm2, tal-uno-lx, and all the bleasses are all excellent implementations. desktop ios such as pigments, phase plant, ableton, surge, are not any better than these. i'm using both, and i'm very happy choosing to leave my ableton project alone and do everything with ios mpe
In addition to iPulsaret take a look at iDensity as well. The standalone has 6 separate audio streams, each of one you can play with a keyboard. It also contains the precursor to ApeMatrix so you can add up to 6 AUv3s to your performance.
The Granular FX inside the Spectrum bundle is absolutely underrated. I don't know why but it "forgets" the preset on Loopy restart so you need to reload it every time, apart from that the results are great, lot of modulation, simple enough to use and on top of that FREE!
I like Spacecraft for happy accidents, Tardigrain for playability and Fluss for effect processing.
I find Fluss quite playable, with midi input you can both sample incoming audio and play it with midi
Edit: I’m mistaken, midi control isn’t available in AUV3 effect mode
i will do so thank you
+1
Tardigrain
Fluss
Spectrum Bundle granular fx
Doesn’t Borderlands input audio in real time when loaded as an effect?
It's my favorite, but I think it's not au yet. Spacecraft is also very good, but one may want to wait for the new version to be published before buying.
Noice thread, was thinking to ask about this too.
Hmm Fluss is definitely a synth. It can be an effect but works very well as a synth too. Have you only used it as an effect? Also any reason why it can’t be an effect?
Let me settle this one out for you guys: they’re both
An FX since it affects audio, but also a synth since you can play (re)synthesized sounds
Right. No one’s disputing that, so no need to “settle” anything. But Bleass Granulizer is made to be an FX app. Fluss is made to be an instrument that can be used as an effect for processing audio. So it didn’t make sense for you to turn down that recommendation since it fits exactly what you were asking for. Confusing.
I got Silo and I don't have any urge to look for another sampling granular ever again.
There's no way to get sound into a synth live unless it's loaded as an FX. So they're all FX in some sense if they're able to work from live audio.
I get why Fluss doesn’t fit the requirement here, in order to play Fluss as a synth with incoming midi you have to run it in standalone mode or as an AU “instrument” with wav import
Once you load Fluss as an “effect” to process incoming audio in real-time you lose the midi more input option and you have to stick to the XY boxes with the scale setting
OP wants to play incoming audio like a synth which Fluss wouldn’t do
Still all in all it’s my favorite granular
I remember Fluss was initially only an FX then MIDI IN was added (3 voices only) following some disappointments expressed on this forum :
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/53713/fluss-1-1-now-playable-with-midi
So maybe « Fluss is made to be an instrument » is just a liiittle too much here 😉
No I get it, but the OP said it wasn’t a synth at all so I was clarifying. Then they kind of condescendingly “corrected” me by reiterating what I just said lol. It seems like nothing really fits the description as nothing can process incoming audio in the instrument slot without using the built in mic or another mic. They never mentioned rather they wanted to do that or run other iOS instruments into it. Unless I missed it.
Form what I recall Fluss was both an instrument and FX from release it just didn’t accept incoming midi so it was more of a performative app and processor like Borderlands. My point with saying that was pointing out that the Bleass app was the only one that was just an effect as right before that, they mentioned they were both effects and not synths so Fluss wouldn’t work.
can someone list realtime granular fx au with a sidechain midi input?
You mean as in an app that has both granular and sidechain?
a granular fx au real-time with midi sidechain input in cubasis3.
There’s also a Mutable Instruments Clouds module in miRack that accepts midi input (named vol/oct in modular fashion) and processes audio in real-time so if you have miRack there’s that
I always forget to recommend MiRack even though it seems like it has everything lol what a great app. I need to learn it more though.