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An intro into the app market from Bastl instruments?

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  • GravitasGravitas

    @rs2000 said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Gavinski said:
    So…can this do anything we can’t already do with other apps?

    Nope.
    dRambo and MiRack have got
    this covered and then some.
    However it’s a good sign for
    the iOS platform.
    More of the more popular and
    independent names are now turning up.

    Isn’t the IR creating something new, or can that be done with that one I can’t remember the name of all of a sudden?

    it doesn’t seem to have IR from the description.
    What it does seem to have a Delay lines and feedback which will create resonance anyway
    especially as the iphone microphone will be picking up the internal speaker when being used.
    Still it does seem suited for experimentation and it’s a first offering from Bastl Instruments.
    It would be cool, as mentioned earlier, if they ported across their Kastle and Drum instruments
    other than that the iOS platform is already burgeoning with amazing apps.

    It does say it can create impulse responses, about four feature down the list, and there’s a screenshot of it as well… might be useful if it does that…

    Ahhh, I missed that bit.
    If it does do that then that would certainly be useful.
    Can you import IR?

    This is all you need. Works standalone and as an AUv3.

    Hit Play, hold the iPhone into whatever object's IR you want to capture then hit REC shortly before one of the clicks and hit REC again when the echo/reverb of the object has become silent. Trim the Recorder file so it starts just a bit after the initial pulse. Save it and load your new IR into the Convolver to use in your project.

    Yeah, I was going to say dRambo can do all of this however
    I wanted to sound “encouraging” for Bastl Instruments. ;)

  • GravitasGravitas

    @rs2000 said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Gavinski said:
    So…can this do anything we can’t already do with other apps?

    Nope.
    dRambo and MiRack have got
    this covered and then some.
    However it’s a good sign for
    the iOS platform.
    More of the more popular and
    independent names are now turning up.

    Isn’t the IR creating something new, or can that be done with that one I can’t remember the name of all of a sudden?

    it doesn’t seem to have IR from the description.
    What it does seem to have a Delay lines and feedback which will create resonance anyway
    especially as the iphone microphone will be picking up the internal speaker when being used.
    Still it does seem suited for experimentation and it’s a first offering from Bastl Instruments.
    It would be cool, as mentioned earlier, if they ported across their Kastle and Drum instruments
    other than that the iOS platform is already burgeoning with amazing apps.

    It does say it can create impulse responses, about four feature down the list, and there’s a screenshot of it as well… might be useful if it does that…

    Ahhh, I missed that bit.
    If it does do that then that would certainly be useful.
    Can you import IR?

    This is all you need. Works standalone and as an AUv3.

    Yeah, I had a feeling tbh that that feature list didn’t sound all that groundbreaking. Kind of intrigued but also a bit disappointed tbh, looking at the amazing collection of stuff this company has.

    Who knows what else they will bring us!
    If they're still as creative as ever, there are good times ahead for sure 😊

    Agreed. 😁

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @Krupa said:

    @Gavinski said:
    The video is out.(was still just scheduled earlier) - made it look quite fun

    Yeah, the one touch ir thing looks pretty useful tbh, being technically possible to do it with dRambo is nice, but not as useful as just hitting one button and go… everything else looks fun too, nice to see non au full screen and dedicated stuff tbh, not everything has to be a plugin!

    I agree. Being able to make an IR out of anything anywhere is super exciting for me. I love playing with sound and spaces so being able to make an IR quickly out of, say, my phone under a random spot while on vacation, os pretty damn cool, imo.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @Gravitas said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Gavinski said:
    So…can this do anything we can’t already do with other apps?

    Nope.
    dRambo and MiRack have got
    this covered and then some.
    However it’s a good sign for
    the iOS platform.
    More of the more popular and
    independent names are now turning up.

    Isn’t the IR creating something new, or can that be done with that one I can’t remember the name of all of a sudden?

    it doesn’t seem to have IR from the description.
    What it does seem to have a Delay lines and feedback which will create resonance anyway
    especially as the iphone microphone will be picking up the internal speaker when being used.
    Still it does seem suited for experimentation and it’s a first offering from Bastl Instruments.
    It would be cool, as mentioned earlier, if they ported across their Kastle and Drum instruments
    other than that the iOS platform is already burgeoning with amazing apps.

    It does say it can create impulse responses, about four feature down the list, and there’s a screenshot of it as well… might be useful if it does that…

    Ahhh, I missed that bit.
    If it does do that then that would certainly be useful.
    Can you import IR?

    This is all you need. Works standalone and as an AUv3.

    Yeah, I had a feeling tbh that that feature list didn’t sound all that groundbreaking. Kind of intrigued but also a bit disappointed tbh, looking at the amazing collection of stuff this company has.

    Who knows what else they will bring us!
    If they're still as creative as ever, there are good times ahead for sure 😊

    Agreed. 😁

    For sure! Even if they just start making a ton of cool updates to this app for now. There are tons of possibilities here.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @HotStrange said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gavinski said:
    The video is out.(was still just scheduled earlier) - made it look quite fun

    Yeah, the one touch ir thing looks pretty useful tbh, being technically possible to do it with dRambo is nice, but not as useful as just hitting one button and go… everything else looks fun too, nice to see non au full screen and dedicated stuff tbh, not everything has to be a plugin!

    I agree. Being able to make an IR out of anything anywhere is super exciting for me. I love playing with sound and spaces so being able to make an IR quickly out of, say, my phone under a random spot while on vacation, os pretty damn cool, imo.

    As @espiegel123 correctly points out in the other thread, any host with a record function can be used to make an IR. I also forgot this, I don't personally use IRs much. But yes, he's right and it leaves less and less, pretty much nothing basically, to get excited about regarding this particular app.

  • KrupaKrupa

    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

  • sevenapesevenape

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    I’m not sure but I think it was Chase Jarvis. He could have been quoting bresson though. My favourite bresson quote is “Sharpness is a bourgeois concept”. Now that is a quote I can get behind in almost any situation!

  • robosardinerobosardine

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    That was Chase Jarvis.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @sevenape said:

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    I’m not sure but I think it was Chase Jarvis. He could have been quoting bresson though. My favourite bresson quote is “Sharpness is a bourgeois concept”. Now that is a quote I can get behind in almost any situation!

    @robosardine said:

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    That was Chase Jarvis.

    Weird, cause I feel like I heard it in the early nineties first, never heard of the guy, but then my limited brain tends to hold on to only the meaningful and discard the trivial…

  • sevenapesevenape

    @Krupa said:

    @sevenape said:

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    I’m not sure but I think it was Chase Jarvis. He could have been quoting bresson though. My favourite bresson quote is “Sharpness is a bourgeois concept”. Now that is a quote I can get behind in almost any situation!

    @robosardine said:

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    That was Chase Jarvis.

    Weird, cause I feel like I heard it in the early nineties first, never heard of the guy, but then my limited brain tends to hold on to only the meaningful and discard the trivial…

    Unfortunately, my brain does the opposite.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @sevenape said:

    @Krupa said:

    @sevenape said:

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    I’m not sure but I think it was Chase Jarvis. He could have been quoting bresson though. My favourite bresson quote is “Sharpness is a bourgeois concept”. Now that is a quote I can get behind in almost any situation!

    @robosardine said:

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    That was Chase Jarvis.

    Weird, cause I feel like I heard it in the early nineties first, never heard of the guy, but then my limited brain tends to hold on to only the meaningful and discard the trivial…

    Unfortunately, my brain does the opposite.

    Though that “Sharpness is a bourgeois concept” is a beautiful thought

  • bygjohnbygjohn

    @robosardine said:

    @Krupa said:
    I did try to get that dRambo version working yesterday but didn’t get far, probably wired it up wrong, but even if that technically does the same thing, I don’t think it’s useless having a well set up implementation, with a timer on your phone for recording real world irs… was it Bresson who said something about the best camera being the one you have in your hand?

    That was Chase Jarvis.

    I thought it was Ansel Adams, TBH.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gavinski said:
    The video is out.(was still just scheduled earlier) - made it look quite fun

    Yeah, the one touch ir thing looks pretty useful tbh, being technically possible to do it with dRambo is nice, but not as useful as just hitting one button and go… everything else looks fun too, nice to see non au full screen and dedicated stuff tbh, not everything has to be a plugin!

    I agree. Being able to make an IR out of anything anywhere is super exciting for me. I love playing with sound and spaces so being able to make an IR quickly out of, say, my phone under a random spot while on vacation, os pretty damn cool, imo.

    As @espiegel123 correctly points out in the other thread, any host with a record function can be used to make an IR. I also forgot this, I don't personally use IRs much. But yes, he's right and it leaves less and less, pretty much nothing basically, to get excited about regarding this particular app.

    I guess the question is can you open the other app and immediately make an IR as this app seems to do or does it require setting up? I see lots of comments like “you can already do this with this other app by simply taking an hour out of your day to make it” when the other app does it simply and easily with much less time and effort. So I’ve been taking comments like that with a grain of salt unless shown otherwise.

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited October 2023

    @HotStrange Although multiple approaches can help you make IRs, I wouldn't even compare them. Some prefer a long list of apps, each with their own purpose and others prefer just a few apps that can be customised to do many different things.

    I found that after a few years of collecting quite a few apps, in some cases I either didn't remember the name or existence of an app for a certain purpose or the list was long enough that I was scrolling through it for just as long as it took me to build the same or better functionality in, say, Drambo for example.
    But that's just me.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @rs2000 said:
    @HotStrange Although multiple approaches can help you make IRs, I wouldn't even compare them. Some prefer a long list of apps, each with their own purpose and others prefer just a few apps that can be customised to do many different things.

    I found that after a few years of collecting quite a few apps, in some cases I either didn't remember the name or existence of an app for a certain purpose or the list was long enough that I was scrolling through it for just as long as it took me to build the same or better functionality in, say, Drambo for example.
    But that's just me.

    I definitely get that, I’m not trying to say one way is either right or wrong. What annoys me is that it ends up derailing conversation about the app because you get multiple comments of people dismissing it completely because it can be done or made with other apps. Which sure it’s good to know that info I suppose but at some point it becomes people convincing others not to buy an app because you can make it elsewhere and I guess I don’t see the point in doing that.

    I dunno maybe I’m rambling lol I’m glad we have both options though.

  • tahichetahiche

    @rs2000 said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Krupa said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @Gavinski said:
    So…can this do anything we can’t already do with other apps?

    Nope.
    dRambo and MiRack have got
    this covered and then some.
    However it’s a good sign for
    the iOS platform.
    More of the more popular and
    independent names are now turning up.

    Isn’t the IR creating something new, or can that be done with that one I can’t remember the name of all of a sudden?

    it doesn’t seem to have IR from the description.
    What it does seem to have a Delay lines and feedback which will create resonance anyway
    especially as the iphone microphone will be picking up the internal speaker when being used.
    Still it does seem suited for experimentation and it’s a first offering from Bastl Instruments.
    It would be cool, as mentioned earlier, if they ported across their Kastle and Drum instruments
    other than that the iOS platform is already burgeoning with amazing apps.

    It does say it can create impulse responses, about four feature down the list, and there’s a screenshot of it as well… might be useful if it does that…

    Ahhh, I missed that bit.
    If it does do that then that would certainly be useful.
    Can you import IR?

    This is all you need. Works standalone and as an AUv3.

    Hit Play, hold the iPhone into whatever object's IR you want to capture then hit REC shortly before one of the clicks and hit REC again when the echo/reverb of the object has become silent. Trim the Recorder file so it starts just a bit after the initial pulse. Save it and load your new IR into the Convolver to use in your project.

    This is great! 👍 Hadn’t even realized there was an IR thing in Drambo.
    Unless I’m doing something wrong, the only “gotcha” in this is that I can’t seem to trim the recording in the Recorder module, you need to use a Flexi for that.

  • GrandbearGrandbear

    @rs2000 said:
    This is all you need. Works standalone and as an AUv3.

    Hit Play, hold the iPhone into whatever object's IR you want to capture then hit REC shortly before one of the clicks and hit REC again when the echo/reverb of the object has become silent. Trim the Recorder file so it starts just a bit after the initial pulse. Save it and load your new IR into the Convolver to use in your project.

    Hi @rs2000, is there any advantage in using the graphic env instead of the Impulse module?

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Grandbear said:

    @rs2000 said:
    This is all you need. Works standalone and as an AUv3.

    Hit Play, hold the iPhone into whatever object's IR you want to capture then hit REC shortly before one of the clicks and hit REC again when the echo/reverb of the object has become silent. Trim the Recorder file so it starts just a bit after the initial pulse. Save it and load your new IR into the Convolver to use in your project.

    Hi @rs2000, is there any advantage in using the graphic env instead of the Impulse module?

    Yes, I can change the shape of the impulse to increase its energy (volume) so the captured response is less noisy (but might need a treble boost).

  • GrandbearGrandbear

    @rs2000 said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @rs2000 said:
    This is all you need. Works standalone and as an AUv3.

    Hit Play, hold the iPhone into whatever object's IR you want to capture then hit REC shortly before one of the clicks and hit REC again when the echo/reverb of the object has become silent. Trim the Recorder file so it starts just a bit after the initial pulse. Save it and load your new IR into the Convolver to use in your project.

    Hi @rs2000, is there any advantage in using the graphic env instead of the Impulse module?

    Yes, I can change the shape of the impulse to increase its energy (volume) so the captured response is less noisy (but might need a treble boost).

    Aah, interesting, I'll experiment a bit later today. Thank you!

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