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Drums w/ Random Fills

Hi,
I am looking for a drum /percussion app. My background and 'thinking' is desktop DAW apps; specifically EZ Drummer and Steinberg's Groove Agent. You can click through samples - find the "feel" or beat you want. Then typically it offers a handful of fills you can drag in at the end of the phrase.

Are there any apps like this in the iPad world, where the app comes with a library of sample beats for different styles --- or is pretty much make your beats?

Outside of the MIDI drum mapping issues, I should be able to make MIDI files from my DAW (from EZ Drummer or Groove Agent), and bring them into my iPad and play with _________?

Thanks!!
AJ

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  • edited October 2023

    @Vmusic said:
    Hi,
    I am looking for a drum /percussion app. My background and 'thinking' is desktop DAW apps; specifically EZ Drummer and Steinberg's Groove Agent. You can click through samples - find the "feel" or beat you want. Then typically it offers a handful of fills you can drag in at the end of the phrase.

    Are there any apps like this in the iPad world, where the app comes with a library of sample beats for different styles --- or is pretty much make your beats?

    Outside of the MIDI drum mapping issues, I should be able to make MIDI files from my DAW (from EZ Drummer or Groove Agent), and bring them into my iPad and play with _________?

    Thanks!!
    AJ

    Hi,
    You may want to have a look at DrumPerfect Pro, which offers a collection of very detailed packs ( IAP ) in various styles ( Rock, Jazz, Brazilian, Latin percussion, Reggae, and many more... ), each including drum/percussion kits, libraries of patterns, songs.
    https://apps.apple.com/tw/app/drumperfect-pro/id1032935528?l=en-GB

    You can import your midi files, and your own samples. It is very flexible, realistic and deep, but require a bit of focus to bring out all of its vast creative potential.

    It comes in 2 modules: main app with editing tools, and auv3 extended player.
    The next update will have an advanced random fill randomizer.

    listen...
    https://soundcloud.com/user-45973677

  • @Gilbert said:
    You can import your midi files, and your own samples. It is very flexible, realistic and deep, but require a bit of focus to bring out all of its vast creative potential.

    It comes in 2 modules: main app with editing tools, and auv3 extended player.
    The next update will have an advanced random fill randomizer.

    listen...
    https://soundcloud.com/user-45973677

    Glad to see your masterpiece is still getting love

  • @Gilbert said:

    @Vmusic said:
    Hi,
    I am looking for a drum /percussion app. My background and 'thinking' is desktop DAW apps; specifically EZ Drummer and Steinberg's Groove Agent. You can click through samples - find the "feel" or beat you want. Then typically it offers a handful of fills you can drag in at the end of the phrase.

    Are there any apps like this in the iPad world, where the app comes with a library of sample beats for different styles --- or is pretty much make your beats?

    Outside of the MIDI drum mapping issues, I should be able to make MIDI files from my DAW (from EZ Drummer or Groove Agent), and bring them into my iPad and play with _________?

    Thanks!!
    AJ

    Hi,
    You may want to have a look at DrumPerfect Pro, which offers a collection of very detailed packs ( IAP ) in various styles ( Rock, Jazz, Brazilian, Latin percussion, Reggae, and many more... ), each including drum/percussion kits, libraries of patterns, songs.
    https://apps.apple.com/tw/app/drumperfect-pro/id1032935528?l=en-GB

    You can import your midi files, and your own samples. It is very flexible, realistic and deep, but require a bit of focus to bring out all of its vast creative potential.

    It comes in 2 modules: main app with editing tools, and auv3 extended player.
    The next update will have an advanced random fill randomizer.

    listen...
    https://soundcloud.com/user-45973677

    The audio unit doesn’t work in dRambo and Zenbeats.

    Is there a way to update to audio unit so you can access the “presets” like you do in Cubasis and other daw ? While you’re doing an update maybe ?

    It’s an amazing app I just can’t access it in dRambo

  • @dreamcartel Do you know if DrumPerfect Pro - can allow or split the different drum(s) to different channels? EXAMPE: The kick drum is on one channel, the snare on a different channel, each tom on its own channel in AUM.
    Why???? This allows me to apply different fx to the different drums

    Thanks!!

  • Im sorry man. I don’t have AUM. I can’t even open the auv3 in dRambo or Zenbeats .
    I would think with the 16 links and tracks you would be able to , but I have no way to test it.

  • @dreamcartel said:
    Im sorry man. I don’t have AUM. I can’t even open the auv3 in dRambo or Zenbeats .
    I would think with the 16 links and tracks you would be able to , but I have no way to test it.

    It is available in Drambo. Drumperfect Player is an AU Audio Instrument

  • wimwim
    edited October 2023

    DrumPerfect Pro has an AUv3 player app. The AUv3 plugin can only playback pre-set songs created and saved in the standalone app. It's not the full plugin and can't be played as an instrument. It is multi-output though.

    The full app is IAA only, so isn't available to Zenbeats and Drambo. The IAA app has multiple outputs that can be used in IAA compatible hosts such as AUM.

  • GarageBand and Logic Pro, on both iPadOS and desktop. Has excellent drumming tools (Drummers) with enough randomness to make them solid choices.

  • @wim said:
    DrumPerfect Pro has an AUv3 player app. The AUv3 plugin can only playback pre-set songs created and saved in the standalone app. It's not the full plugin and can't be played as an instrument. It is multi-output though.

    The full app is IAA only, so isn't available to Zenbeats and Drambo. The IAA app has multiple outputs that can be used in IAA compatible hosts such as AUM.

    Ahh! Wow! I wasted hours of my life only to find out it was IAA!

    Thanks so much . You are a true fountain of knowledge .

  • @dreamcartel said:

    @wim said:
    DrumPerfect Pro has an AUv3 player app. The AUv3 plugin can only playback pre-set songs created and saved in the standalone app. It's not the full plugin and can't be played as an instrument. It is multi-output though.

    The full app is IAA only, so isn't available to Zenbeats and Drambo. The IAA app has multiple outputs that can be used in IAA compatible hosts such as AUM.

    Ahh! Wow! I wasted hours of my life only to find out it was IAA!

    Thanks so much . You are a true fountain of knowledge .

    The player is an AUv3. As Gilbert explained up-thread “ It comes in 2 modules: main app with editing tools, and auv3 extended player.”

  • DrumPerfect Pro is a great sounding app. IMO it's worth the work to learn it if you're really after realistic drums in iOS. Learning to really leverage it isn't exactly easy though.

    If it ever got more "brains" similar to desktop greats such as Jamstix, it would be all that I would ever use, IAA or not.

  • Garageband drummers have great fills

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @dreamcartel said:

    @wim said:
    DrumPerfect Pro has an AUv3 player app. The AUv3 plugin can only playback pre-set songs created and saved in the standalone app. It's not the full plugin and can't be played as an instrument. It is multi-output though.

    The full app is IAA only, so isn't available to Zenbeats and Drambo. The IAA app has multiple outputs that can be used in IAA compatible hosts such as AUM.

    Ahh! Wow! I wasted hours of my life only to find out it was IAA!

    Thanks so much . You are a true fountain of knowledge .

    The player is an AUv3. As Gilbert explained up-thread “ It comes in 2 modules: main app with editing tools, and auv3 extended player.”

    Wow I never realized it was an AU period. so basically you create the drum tracks in standalone and play them back as a preset player via the AU? Not perfect but better than nothing I’d say. Must’ve came in an update and I never realized.

  • Seems sooOOOOOoo complicated. I am used to 'EZ Drummer', which says a lot about my appetite to learn. I want to create music, not learn software. (Yeah I know.....)

    Plus PerfectDrummer Pro is a bit pricey.... will it ever (or has it ever) gone on sale?

  • @Vmusic said:
    I want to create music, not learn software. (Yeah I know.....)

    I completely feel the same.

  • @Vmusic said:
    Seems sooOOOOOoo complicated. I am used to 'EZ Drummer', which says a lot about my appetite to learn. I want to create music, not learn software. (Yeah I know.....)

    Plus PerfectDrummer Pro is a bit pricey.... will it ever (or has it ever) gone on sale?

    That’s part of the fun! Honestly you’re gonna have to learn any plugin you buy. I don’t understand.

  • I think Gilbert’s idea of a AUv3 player component for his highly complicated-would take-a-long effort to make totally AUv3 is a BRILLIANT way for IAA apps to work in AUv3 land. It’s still my favorite for detailed realistic drum track. Gilbert is a hall of fame-er!

  • @NoiseHorse said:
    I think Gilbert’s idea of a AUv3 player component for his highly complicated-would take-a-long effort to make totally AUv3 is a BRILLIANT way for IAA apps to work in AUv3 land. It’s still my favorite for detailed realistic drum track. Gilbert is a hall of fame-er!

    @Vmusic said:
    Seems sooOOOOOoo complicated. I am used to 'EZ Drummer', which says a lot about my appetite to learn. I want to create music, not learn software. (Yeah I know.....)

    Plus PerfectDrummer Pro is a bit pricey.... will it ever (or has it ever) gone on sale?

    @HotStrange said:

    @Vmusic said:
    Seems sooOOOOOoo complicated. I am used to 'EZ Drummer', which says a lot about my appetite to learn. I want to create music, not learn software. (Yeah I know.....)

    Plus PerfectDrummer Pro is a bit pricey.... will it ever (or has it ever) gone on sale?

    That’s part of the fun! Honestly you’re gonna have to learn any plugin you buy. I don’t understand.

    Few things to clarify: we ( Marinus and I ) always considered DrumPerfect Pro as a musical instrument for creative musicians, digital of course, yet still a high level music instrument to play with.
    Which of course requires some practice in order to manifest your musical visions.

    Like a car, if you wish to enjoy a good drive in the mountains or by the sea, you need to learn its use and successfully pass your driving licence. Of course nowadays you can opt for self driving cars if you don't enjoy much the fun of driving.
    So, indeed, DPP is recommended to musicians who have fun crafting their drum/percussion tracks ( and more ... )

    I do appreciate the kind words concerning the Auv3, though I must say that the credit is essentially for Marinus who conceived the idea of something simple and light to use.

    The free auv3 player module ( multi out ) is very EZ ( easy ) to use inside a host, yet nothing stop you to open, in another track, the IAA module to compose/edit on the fly and, as soon as your song (s) is saved, load it as preset in the player (s).
    To give an idea; four instances of the auv3 player means a total of 64 multi-sampled instruments!!

    Thanks again for the feedback/support.

  • @Gilbert said:

    @NoiseHorse said:
    I think Gilbert’s idea of a AUv3 player component for his highly complicated-would take-a-long effort to make totally AUv3 is a BRILLIANT way for IAA apps to work in AUv3 land. It’s still my favorite for detailed realistic drum track. Gilbert is a hall of fame-er!

    @Vmusic said:
    Seems sooOOOOOoo complicated. I am used to 'EZ Drummer', which says a lot about my appetite to learn. I want to create music, not learn software. (Yeah I know.....)

    Plus PerfectDrummer Pro is a bit pricey.... will it ever (or has it ever) gone on sale?

    @HotStrange said:

    @Vmusic said:
    Seems sooOOOOOoo complicated. I am used to 'EZ Drummer', which says a lot about my appetite to learn. I want to create music, not learn software. (Yeah I know.....)

    Plus PerfectDrummer Pro is a bit pricey.... will it ever (or has it ever) gone on sale?

    That’s part of the fun! Honestly you’re gonna have to learn any plugin you buy. I don’t understand.

    Few things to clarify: we ( Marinus and I ) always considered DrumPerfect Pro as a musical instrument for creative musicians, digital of course, yet still a high level music instrument to play with.
    Which of course requires some practice in order to manifest your musical visions.

    Like a car, if you wish to enjoy a good drive in the mountains or by the sea, you need to learn its use and successfully pass your driving licence. Of course nowadays you can opt for self driving cars if you don't enjoy much the fun of driving.
    So, indeed, DPP is recommended to musicians who have fun crafting their drum/percussion tracks ( and more ... )

    I do appreciate the kind words concerning the Auv3, though I must say that the credit is essentially for Marinus who conceived the idea of something simple and light to use.

    The free auv3 player module ( multi out ) is very EZ ( easy ) to use inside a host, yet nothing stop you to open, in another track, the IAA module to compose/edit on the fly and, as soon as your song (s) is saved, load it as preset in the player (s).
    To give an idea; four instances of the auv3 player means a total of 64 multi-sampled instruments!!

    Thanks again for the feedback/support.

    Thanks for chiming in! I never realized the app had AUv3 support in the first place so finding that out definitely made it jump up some in my list. I love crafting sounds from scratch so I’m gonna have to really look into it now.

  • edited October 2023

    In the meantime, as others have already said, GarageBand has a really good drummer feature.

    It's free so there's nothing stopping anybody just using GB to make drum tracks with different fills and stuff and then export them all as sample fodder to chop up and use elsewhere.

    You can use it to make fills with just, say, toms and use them to layer over your grooves. It's something I've done myself a few times -- just using drummer to make a fill even within Logic to layer with different drum parts. Audio and or midi.

    Logic drummer is also great for making percussion loops from a simple shaker to a full on percussion part complete with fills. And you can convert the drummer part to midi and edit it/use it with different drum kits etc.

  • @klownshed said:
    In the meantime, as others have already said, GarageBand has a really good drummer feature.

    It's free so there's nothing stopping anybody just using GB to make drum tracks with different fills and stuff and then export them all as sample fodder to chop up and use elsewhere.

    You can use it to make fills with just, say, toms and use them to layer over your grooves. It's something I've done myself a few times -- just using drummer to make a fill even within Logic to layer with different drum parts. Audio and or midi.

    Logic drummer is also great for making percussion loops from a simple shaker to a full on percussion part complete with fills. And you can convert the drummer part to midi and edit it/use it with different drum kits etc.

    Yep GBs drummer is great. My storage is too low so I had to offload it for now but when I upgrade I’m definitely downloading it again

  • AAAaarrrrggggh...... I wasted TWENTY MINUTES of my life in Garageband in iOS to "supposedly" make MIDI drum tracks, to no avail. WHY? Why is software soooOOoooo sucky? Is it not 2023? Why hasn't Garage Band iOS replicated EZ Drummer or Groove Agent?

  • Yes, why hasn’t an amazingly deep FREE app achieved parity with a $99 app?

  • The problem with the (free? Idk why that’s a point? Was it not free early on for some?) auv3 is you can’t load presets from all daws. Like dRambo doesn’t nor Zb3 - I know it works in Cubasis but everything works in cubasis practically . So the problem for me is having the preset menu not built into the auv3 rather than expecting the host to have a preset implementation function … but hey, if it’s IAA it’s IAA , I didn’t realize it wasn’t auv3 itself until this thread. (Gilbert did a great job for sure)

  • @espiegel123 said:
    Yes, why hasn’t an amazingly deep FREE app achieved parity with a $99 app?

    Haha. "I want it all and I want it NOW!"

  • @espiegel123 said:
    Yes, why hasn’t an amazingly deep FREE app achieved parity with a $99 app?

    We will probably all puzzle over that one until our dying day…

  • wimwim
    edited October 2023

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  • edited October 2023

    @Vmusic said:
    AAAaarrrrggggh...... I wasted TWENTY MINUTES of my life in Garageband in iOS to "supposedly" make MIDI drum tracks, to no avail. WHY? Why is software soooOOoooo sucky? Is it not 2023? Why hasn't Garage Band iOS replicated EZ Drummer or Groove Agent?

    Just export drums as audio. Or use Logic.

    Software is at its suckiest when you want to do a specific thing in a specific way which the software won’t allow.

    There are usually (always?) workarounds even if the end result is different to your initial intention.

    And if all else fails there are far fewer limitation on desktop. Embrace the suckiness on iOS or use it as a complement to desktop.

    The latter works best for me.

  • edited October 2023

    @dream-cartel I’m surprised no one’s mentioned SugerBytes DrumComputer. It has everything you need and you can make it as complicated or simple as you want. It’s both an AU instrument and an AU Midi FX processor. It’s one of the most tweakable and powerful drum machines on iOS. You can use your own samples, their samples, their drum synth presets, and drum synth presets you make yourself. And you can layer all of those. Comes with tons of presets and each preset has both the drum sounds and a beat midi sequence. It has an excellent drum sequencer and midi sequences can be chained.

    It also has 3 ways to do fills, manually (press a button) during a performance, and 2 types of automated fills. I think one of the automated fills every 4 bars and the other every 2 bars automatically.

    As far as making random beats (that sound good) you can randomize the entire sequence or a specific drum sequence by the press of a button. You can randomize everything including the sounds and they are truly random drum sounds not just random presets.

    I use DrumComputer as a MIDI FX processor using the built in sequences that I tweak to my liking and map the drum notes to whatever other drum apps I want to use. In my case I have mapped it and sequence GR-16 mostly. I really like the drum sounds in GR-16. I’ve created mappings for other apps like Drambo (Flexi and sampler), Gadget, BM3, Groovebox, Ruismaker, Patterning 2, iElectribe, Linndrum, FAC, AudioKit’s 909, and Hammerhead. And I’ve also set up mappings for a couple of my hardware devices, Behringer RD-6 and SP 404 MK2. Very easy to do.

    If I had to choose only one drum machine on iPad, it would be DrumComputer. Keep in mind it’s only available for iPadOS. It doesn’t support iPhone.

  • @reezygle said:
    @dream-cartel I’m surprised no one’s mentioned SugerBytes DrumComputer. It has everything you need and you can make it as complicated or simple as you want. It’s both an AU instrument and an AU Midi FX processor. It’s one of the most tweakable and powerful drum machines on iOS. You can use your own samples, their samples, their drum synth presets, and drum synth presets you make yourself. And you can layer all of those. Comes with tons of presets and each preset has both the drum sounds and a beat midi sequence. It has an excellent drum sequencer and midi sequences can be chained.

    It also has 3 ways to do fills, manually (press a button) during a performance, and 2 types of automated fills. I think one of the automated fills every 4 bars and the other every 2 bars automatically.

    As far as making random beats (that sound good) you can randomize the entire sequence or a specific drum sequence by the press of a button. You can randomize everything including the sounds and they are truly random drum sounds not just random presets.

    I use DrumComputer as a MIDI FX processor using the built in sequences that I tweak to my liking and map the drum notes to whatever other drum apps I want to use. In my case I have mapped it and sequence GR-16 mostly. I really like the drum sounds in GR-16. I’ve created mappings for other apps like Drambo (Flexi and sampler), Gadget, BM3, Groovebox, Ruismaker, Patterning 2, iElectribe, Linndrum, FAC, AudioKit’s 909, and Hammerhead. And I’ve also set up mappings for a couple of my hardware devices, Behringer RD-6 and SP 404 MK2. Very easy to do.

    If I had to choose only one drum machine on iPad, it would be DrumComputer. Keep in mind it’s only available for iPadOS. It doesn’t support iPhone.

    Thanks for consideration and for outlining the great features

    If I don’t become addicted to my Volca drum (which will be hard now that I have a handle on it), I’m getting drum computer next sugarbytes sale. I think they are as good as you can get for plug ins. I knew OF drum computer. I didn’t know about it like that though , I’m surprised no one (I think hotstrange recommended it too) mentioned it had randomization like that; it sounds like the best drum machine on iOS.

    (But idk man, the Volca drum has smart randomization so when I program something it gives me variations of my own patterns which is really awesome….and I sorta need to avoid GAS/AAS for now but it’s on the Xmas list for sure )

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