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Run Hammerhead (AUv3) at a slower speed than host transport
I am not sure if I have overlooked the obvious, but how can I run Hammerhead slower than the host transport (half speed, quarter speed...) and still synced by the host ?
I can get it slower when I reduce the number of divisions from 16 to 8 (half speed), or 4 (quarter speed). The problem is that this reduces the number of steps as well. I would love to be able to run with full 16 steps.
The hosts I am using are mainly Drambo, AudioBus and AUM
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I would use Drambo to host Hammerhead, and have Drambo sequence it and use the Playhead speed feature to control playback speed of Hammerhead.
Doing this would allow you play Hammerhead at 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 etc playback speeds and keep everything in time with the main Drambo Tempo.
Just a thought.
Thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking about something like that already but wasn’t sure if this could be done from within Hammerhead and without external sequencing.
Yep it works. I just tested it out. Just make sure your keyboard is set to Chromatic mode and play a lot of the Sharp keys in the 2nd octave range to hear Hammerhead.
An opposite solution: use the Hammerhead ratchets feature to slice a beat up in a single bar, at AUMs minimum 20 BPM (why can’t it go slower? Other apps can), that then sound like they are spread across two, or four bars. I do it to get a ‘normal’ range beat tempo running with a super slow instrumentation layer. Helps that I am using drums for random bangs and clangs rather than a regular EDM pattern, obvs. I like that busy Nu Forms style of percussion, that always sounds like the Amen Break on speed, as a texture more than a beat. Heavy use of the chance option also features. It’s a shame that Hammerhead doesn’t just have a clock divider/multiplier built in, to avoid the faff, but hey ho.
To maintain Ableton Link compatibility. 20bpm is Link's lowest allowed value.
Ok, but other apps can run slower. Pity there isn’t a switch or something, if Ableton compatibility is not an issue. I’d be willing to sacrifice the compatibility for most of my uses.
Can you name a few Link enabled apps that do? I can't think of any. But I don't work at those kind of tempos so I probably wouldn't notice.
No, I’m sure you’re right about the Ableton thing, (I wouldn’t know, because I do work almost exclusively at that tempo, and Ableton link is usually an irrelevance to me). What I meant was, 20 bpm is not a hard limit on IOS. Mirack, for example, can go very very slowly indeed. Nearly all drum sequencers are a problem, eg Drum Computer, because, lacking a clock divide, there’s no easy way to get a regular tempo beat for a very slow track. The beat itself ends up so slow as to become abstract, which is cool sometimes but not always.
But I'm sure you use hosts right? I checked every host that I own and none can go below 20bpm. Some can only go to 30bpm. Do you know of a host that can go that low?
I wonder if miRack will be able to drive AUv3's below 20bpm when it gets AU hosting.
I only use AUM as a host, we have established that. I am not claiming there is a host that goes slower, just wishing there was, and I’m sure you are right about the Ableton thing. I repeat: a number of individual apps - used standalone, I guess? - can go slower. miRack is the first that springs to mind. I just wished there was a switch, in AUM, or in individual apps, which let me break the 20bpm hard limit, that’s all.
Even with clock > @Svetlovska said:
An AUM native clock divider / multiplier plugin like the bus send and other AUM plugins would be so dope. Drop it anywhere in the signal chain and anything after it would get the altered clock. I can think of a zillion uses for something like that. Even better if it was varispeed.
It’d have to be AUM native though. Nothing else would work.
Feature request time over on Discord I think..
Great idea. And let’s make it controllable via MIDI. Happy to pay for this as an IAP.
Tagging @j_liljedahl 🙏
+1 - and even better if it could multiply as well!
Thanks @wim. Discord invite accepted, feature request supported…
I’m not on discord, and the link above is not working for me on Safari. Could you post another? I’d kinda like to support the feature request I made!
i would love that feature in alot of apps/vsts.
Discord links always want to nudge you into installing their app. The way around it is to create a discord account (if you do not already have one), log in to discord.com via that account and you will have a + sign in the left bar that allows you to add a server. Click on that + and then the "Join a server" button at the bottom of the dialog that will pop up. This will allow you to paste the invite link into the field and "Join Server" will then finally add that channel to your account.
I put one in a year or so ago but can’t see it listed anymore. Would love to see clock division/multiplication in AUM.
Great thread and I hope the AUM clock divider will become reality...
But back to my original question, I found a simple solution: Use two or more patterns and sequence them. Two 8 beat patterns = one 16 beat patterns.
Yup that’s what I do, but it’s not always conducive to building out several parts of a song since you only have 8 patterns of 1 bar each, and if you use 2 patterns per drum part that leaves you with 4 patterns. Plus you can only sequence 1x each pattern.
Another really cool feature request would be the ability to designate how many times each pattern loops, as well as the pattern behavior (ie back to first, play next, etc…) just like in Rozeta XOX or most of the Rozeta AU’s. This combined with the sequencing speed would really open up the HH sequencer to work better for building out longer drum tracks.
You can also use octachron to sequence it which allows you to change the speed. Has mutation too.
You can also record the midi, and copy/paste to build out more bars.
Sorry, I don't know how to produce another link that would work. Discord ain't my thing either but I force myself to lurk there for AUM, Loopy Pro, and Koala info.
I already tried Octachron, one of my favourite drum sequencers. That’s probably the best way forward. Lots of features and still a GUI that fits well into the typical letterbox style plugin viewports one finds in hosts like Drambo.
It's an interesting idea! Not sure it would work as a plugin that affects anything after it, because then how to affect the instrument node? But it could be a setting per plugin.
@j_liljedahl : a setting per plugin sounds good to me!
Yeah that would be ace, especially for gauss, I’ve been wanting to decouple that since day 0 😅
@j_liljedahl - thanks for considering it.
There's a guy on Discord, AUM and Loopy Pro servers, that really, really, wants a per plugin tempo, but insists it needs a way to tap to set the tempo. He's mainly a Loopy Pro guy, so this won't help him, but I thought I'd mention it as it does seem like something that would be really useful, especially for things like delay plugins.
Per tempo plugin would definitely be useful.
I really feel that plugins that make sense to run non-synced to the host should already have a setting for that. Like the tempo sync on/off toggle in my AU3FX:Dub delay plugin