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Why when using a master bus in AUM, the sound worsens?
I have been noticing when I use a bus as a master to record all the tracks, the volume levels and general sound is not as good as without the bus. For example I was running a few synths with Pure Acid and when I routed it to the master bus, the sound of it dropped and got muffled away. It sounds fine without the bus. Any ideas ?
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Headroom issues?
Could be too high volumes , 👍
I’ve noticed that whilst using the default AUM level monitoring, and it is happily sitting at -12 db on the mix bus, if I record at that level into AudioShare, it is distorting horribly. I have to drop AudioShare to -12 db also. This didn’t used to be the case a while back, so, Mm, maybe something has changed?
I think to maybe just screen record and not bus record as it sounds much more natural and less compressed. I find it sounds like a linter is on when using a bus and everything is drowning out and no headroom left . My levels aren’t that hot as well. Any ideas ?
@j_liljedahl can you remind us if AUM does any auto limiting or is that an iPad volume control thing? I know we chatted about this a long time ago but can’t remember what you said lol.
@Antos3345 what’s on your master bus and what levels are you recording at?
I am recording under 0 db. I lowered many of the other channel’s volumes and it sounds better, but still not where I want it. I think it’s a headroom issue.
If you gain stage such that the loudest track in your project peaks no louder than -18dB (some people use -12) you will always have the necessary headroom, then use Barricade to make up the appropriate amount of loudness on the master.
(albeit this may have nothing to do with your problem, I don't know, sounds mysterious)
A screenshot of your setup might help spot the issue.
You really shouldn't get distortion regardless of gain staging unless your master is too high or you have plugins that distort with too high input levels. AUM itself shouldn't distort internally up to the master.
You could get phase issues if you have doubled up inputs, such as feeding the master with both a wet signal through a plugin that has latency and a dry signal that doesn't.
It could also be a plugin that only works well at a certain sample rate - though that's rare these days.
Are you going to your bus via the channel output or with a send?
That shouldn't happen. please post a demonstration
I will try to make a video this week.
Channel output.
Just a screenshot might be enough.
Notice the instrument channels are not hot or in the red, but the bus is in the red.
The instrument channel is super red at 2.2
However that shouldn’t matter if yo you have the master fader down as in the picture unless the plugin itself clips (koala does this, internally clip)
Yes, true, that’s the kick drum. I will try adjusting the level from the instrument, but the level is low in the line mix.
@Antos3345 : in the past picture, there must be something providing signal that we don't see in the picture.
I will delete the other channels and see and post.
Get every channel to peak at -18 db and I really don’t think you’ll have that problem. Use the volume knob on Noir while monitoring until it doesn’t go over -18 and do that for every channel you’re running into channel A
Levels feeding into that master shouldn't matter much as long as the master output is OK. There are no plugins that would distort from high levels on that master. AUM won't clip going into the master even at high levels.
The description of the problem doesn't sound like clipping anyway. It sounds more like phase issues from somewhere else in the project. I don't see anything that would do that from the screenshots, but apparently we're not seeing the whole project.
That ain't from clipping.
It would be helpful to have a video demonstration with audio that shows us all mixer channels and let’s us hear what is going on.
I will try to up
load a video.. can I upload one here ? It seems that line 3 of the hihats is making the red on the master bus A. I don’t see why.
The red on the master is not the problem based on your original description of the sound. It has to be something else.
I suspect the compressor on ch 4. What is the Mix set to? If it's not 100% then maybe you're getting phase issues there. Also, are there any overlaps in sounds on the two Noirs? If one is slightly delayed by the compressor it could be phasing against sounds from the other.
Are you doing any side chaining on RoughRider 3?
Upload to YouTube and post a link
we are in digital, you don't need that
Works for me every time and I never get clipping