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  • @wim said:
    I for one am fascinated to be living in the midst of a technological transformation at least as significant as the Iron Age, dawn of the printing press, and the industrial revolution. All of which I had only read about. OK, there's the digital revolution, but that doesn't seem to be as disruptive as the others except for where it's now headed with today's AI developments.

    I think anyone who doesn't think it's going to be massively disruptive (in both good and bad ways) is failing to grasp the big picture. Not that it matters.

    I told you we probably agree more than you realise, yes I agree with you, the changes it will bring about I do believe will be immense in scope, altering our own self perspective.

  • @wim said:
    I for one am fascinated to be living in the midst of a technological transformation at least as significant as the Iron Age, dawn of the printing press, and the industrial revolution. All of which I had only read about. OK, there's the digital revolution, but that doesn't seem to be as disruptive as the others except for where it's now headed with today's AI developments.

    I think anyone who doesn't think it's going to be massively disruptive (in both good and bad ways) is failing to grasp the big picture. Not that it matters.

    I think "massively disruptive" might even be underplaying it. "Strong A.I." will crack the foundation of our reality.

  • You people don’t understand that all current models are based on us and everything we already do. Nothing fundamentally will change, what we will get is good old “give me more and give me now”. The world will not suddenly collapse, try to find your place in a new situation and use new tools to elevate whatever good you are doing. Fight against exploiters and scammers. We are already doing this, you all know the game very well.

    Sorry for preaching, I’ll leave now! 🫣

  • @Luxthor said:
    You people don’t understand that all current models are based on us and everything we already do.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @Luxthor said:
    You people don’t understand that all current models are based on us and everything we already do.

    😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @AudioGus said:

    @Luxthor said:
    You people don’t understand that all current models are based on us and everything we already do.

  • (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

  • edited October 2023

    @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    Exactly. This would've cost you $5,000-$10,000 from an agency. Easy.

    And as far as moving images go, those are fast becoming something worth talking about. I've seen short animations where character consistency between frames is finally becoming reality. In another year (maybe less) it should be possible to 'prompt' systems to actually turn your still image into a convincingly cinematic video for web, TV or a movie.

  • @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    There's no driver. Either the steering wheel is on the wrong side or the car is on the wrong side of the road. I think I would ask for a rework and delay payment until they got it right. 😉

  • @wim said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    There's no driver. Either the steering wheel is on the wrong side or the car is on the wrong side of the road. I think I would ask for a rework and delay payment until they got it right. 😉

    It's a self-driving car :sunglasses:

  • @wim said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    There's no driver. Either the steering wheel is on the wrong side or the car is on the wrong side of the road. I think I would ask for a rework and delay payment until they got it right. 😉

    Smartass! ;) but you're right. I suspect the rework will take roughly 2 minutes and I'll appropriately delay the approx. $0.15 payment (I mean the subscription to ChatGPT Plus is $20 a month so...) ;)

  • @Samu said:

    @wim said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    There's no driver. Either the steering wheel is on the wrong side or the car is on the wrong side of the road. I think I would ask for a rework and delay payment until they got it right. 😉

    It's a self-driving car :sunglasses:

    😡

  • It's a good for a starting rough, but totally unacceptable from a good agency.
    It just depends if the project requires an AI image or a better one :)

  • edited October 2023

    @Carnbot said:
    It's a good for a starting rough, but totally unacceptable from a good agency.
    It just depends if the project requires an AI image or a better one :)

    Yes, but how many ad agency customers require a PERFECT high-quality product out of the box? Most will probably gladly save the $5,000 and instead get a "good enough" product for free. I'm talking mostly about the average "small business next door" customer.

    And note that this is all just the beginning. The results will be better still by an order of magnitude in 3 months if everything continues at this pace.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2023

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Carnbot said:
    It's a good for a starting rough, but totally unacceptable from a good agency.
    It just depends if the project requires an AI image or a better one :)

    Yes, but how many ad agency customers require a PERFECT high-quality product out of the box? Most will probably gladly save the $5,000 and instead get a "good enough" product for free. I'm talking mostly about the average "small business next door" customer.

    Why would they even contact you if anyone there could have done exactly the same thing on their own in the time it took to reach out? Better make use of your knowledge advantage while it lasts. 😉

  • @wim said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Carnbot said:
    It's a good for a starting rough, but totally unacceptable from a good agency.
    It just depends if the project requires an AI image or a better one :)

    Yes, but how many ad agency customers require a PERFECT high-quality product out of the box? Most will probably gladly save the $5,000 and instead get a "good enough" product for free. I'm talking mostly about the average "small business next door" customer.

    Why would they even contact you if anyone there could have done exactly the same thing on their own in the time it took to reach out?

    Yup, soon enough 'hey siri make a picture of ducks and uhh, you know, make it funny. You know what i like.'

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @Carnbot said:
    It's a good for a starting rough, but totally unacceptable from a good agency.
    It just depends if the project requires an AI image or a better one :)

    Yes, but how many ad agency customers require a PERFECT high-quality product out of the box? Most will probably gladly save the $5,000 and instead get a "good enough" product for free. I'm talking mostly about the average "small business next door" customer.

    And note that this is all just the beginning. The results will be better still by an order of magnitude in 3 months if everything continues at this pace.

    Well that's great then, I only work with clients who want high quality, those are the only ones I want to work with if I need to, a good artist with these tools can always do better. Clients will come if they need help...and they will.

    When you're working with someone you only want to work with people who have the same standards as you otherwise the relationship is not going to work :)

  • edited October 2023

    @Carnbot said:
    When you're working with someone you only want to work with people who have the same standards as you otherwise the relationship is not going to work :)

    Depends what the person wants to get out of it. For some, using the tools/craft/talent they have honed simply with the intent to make someone else happy or benefit a cause can be gratifying to them, regardless of their personal aesthetic standard. But yah, if you want personal aesthetic gratification and it isn't in sync with someone/something that compromises the end result then its definitely a bummer.

  • @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    I don’t really see this one winning over any skeptics, but it is definitely possible to get quality images out of AI, and, for sure, there are people doing interesting, arty stuff with it also. Check this out:

    https://x.com/fellowshiptrust/status/1717574552979750972?s=61&t=h9IT_HLFyi9pwn2iXlMGDQ

  • edited October 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    I don’t really see this one winning over any skeptics, but it is definitely possible to get quality images out of AI, and, for sure, there are people doing interesting, arty stuff with it also. Check this out:

    https://x.com/fellowshiptrust/status/1717574552979750972?s=61&t=h9IT_HLFyi9pwn2iXlMGDQ

    Fantastic. I think in a year or less it'll start to be possible to direct these systems to generate completely lifelike videos with total character consistency. The actors currently striking in Hollywood are going to find themselves largely replaced thanks to the rapid advances we're seeing. Should be possible to completely replace background actors first.

  • Incidentally, these mentions of A.I. and machine learning systems I think is causing an army of bots to suddenly "join" and post here. LOL.

  • edited October 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    I don’t really see this one winning over any skeptics, but it is definitely possible to get quality images out of AI, and, for sure, there are people doing interesting, arty stuff with it also. Check this out:

    https://x.com/fellowshiptrust/status/1717574552979750972?s=61&t=h9IT_HLFyi9pwn2iXlMGDQ

    Fantastic. I think in a year or less it'll start to be possible to direct these systems to generate completely lifelike videos with total character consistency. The actors currently striking in Hollywood are going to find themselves largely replaced thanks to the rapid advances we're seeing. Should be possible to completely replace background actors first.

    Yeah, I mean, call me old fashioned but I’m not excited about the idea of people getting replaced in this way. I am excited by the creative potential of AI, not about how the 1% can use it to save a buck and make society even more unequal than it already is. Unless perhaps it does just speed up the introduction of a universal basic income of some kind, but even that concept is vastly complex, as Yuval Harari discussed in one of his books, maybe 21 Lessons for the 21st Century. But yes, please let’s not steer this thread into another tedious politics or economics discussion that ends up getting it closed as well as making everyone’s eyes glaze over at the awful predictability of that. I’m sure anyone reading this is more than familiar with our views on these things already.

    But yes, character consistency is coming. I suppose it’s a kind of extension of a ‘magic mask’ feature from video editing tools.

    Edit: adding a direct link to the ‘Nice Aunties’ Twitter, because the tweet I posted above was not actually tweeted by them.
    https://x.com/niceaunties/status/1712845626881556533?s=20
    They have some other cool stuff and it all manages to maintain the same aesthetic

  • edited October 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    I don’t really see this one winning over any skeptics, but it is definitely possible to get quality images out of AI, and, for sure, there are people doing interesting, arty stuff with it also. Check this out:

    https://x.com/fellowshiptrust/status/1717574552979750972?s=61&t=h9IT_HLFyi9pwn2iXlMGDQ

    Fantastic. I think in a year or less it'll start to be possible to direct these systems to generate completely lifelike videos with total character consistency. The actors currently striking in Hollywood are going to find themselves largely replaced thanks to the rapid advances we're seeing. Should be possible to completely replace background actors first.

    Yeah, I mean, call me old fashioned but I’m not excited about the idea of people getting replaced in this way. I am excited by the creative potential of AI, not about how the 1% can use it to save a buck and make society even more unequal than it already is. Unless perhaps it does just speed up the introduction of a universal basic income of some kind, but even that concept is vastly complex, as Yuval Harari discussed in one of his books, maybe 21 Lessons for the 21st Century. But yes, please let’s not steer this thread into another tedious politics or economics discussion that ends up getting it closed as well as making everyone’s eyes glaze over at the awful predictability of that. I’m sure anyone reading this is more than familiar with our views on these things already.

    But yes, character consistency is coming. I suppose it’s a kind of extension of a ‘magic mask’ feature from video editing tools.

    Edit: adding a direct link to the ‘Nice Aunties’ Twitter, because the tweet I posted above was not actually tweeted by them.
    https://x.com/niceaunties/status/1712845626881556533?s=20
    They have some other cool stuff and it all manages to maintain the same aesthetic

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not "excited" to see people get replaced, however this is inevitable at this point. From a financial perspective, it will become impossible to NOT use these systems because they will drastically reduce costs and made the production process better. Everyone will use them. The genie is out of the bottle.

    Extending this idea just a bit more, I think it will be possible to direct action "in-camera" in a virtual environment with a mix of live and non-existent actors, side-by-side and you won't even be able to tell the difference. And backgrounds, time of day, props, etc. could be there or not there and it'll all blend seamlessly.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    (yes, I actually needed this for a project. What do you think how much you'd have paid for this image if made by an agency, and how long would it have taken?)

    For all the skeptics ;)

    I don’t really see this one winning over any skeptics, but it is definitely possible to get quality images out of AI, and, for sure, there are people doing interesting, arty stuff with it also. Check this out:

    https://x.com/fellowshiptrust/status/1717574552979750972?s=61&t=h9IT_HLFyi9pwn2iXlMGDQ

    Fantastic. I think in a year or less it'll start to be possible to direct these systems to generate completely lifelike videos with total character consistency. The actors currently striking in Hollywood are going to find themselves largely replaced thanks to the rapid advances we're seeing. Should be possible to completely replace background actors first.

    Yeah, I mean, call me old fashioned but I’m not excited about the idea of people getting replaced in this way. I am excited by the creative potential of AI, not about how the 1% can use it to save a buck and make society even more unequal than it already is. Unless perhaps it does just speed up the introduction of a universal basic income of some kind, but even that concept is vastly complex, as Yuval Harari discussed in one of his books, maybe 21 Lessons for the 21st Century. But yes, please let’s not steer this thread into another tedious politics or economics discussion that ends up getting it closed as well as making everyone’s eyes glaze over at the awful predictability of that. I’m sure anyone reading this is more than familiar with our views on these things already.

    But yes, character consistency is coming. I suppose it’s a kind of extension of a ‘magic mask’ feature from video editing tools.

    Edit: adding a direct link to the ‘Nice Aunties’ Twitter, because the tweet I posted above was not actually tweeted by them.
    https://x.com/niceaunties/status/1712845626881556533?s=20
    They have some other cool stuff and it all manages to maintain the same aesthetic

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not "excited" to see people get replaced, however this is inevitable at this point. From a financial perspective, it will become impossible to NOT use these systems because they will drastically reduce costs and made the production process better. Everyone will use them. The genie is out of the bottle.

    On that I agree with you, yes

  • wimwim
    edited October 2023

    As far as entertainment goes, it's just a continuation of the evolution of CGI FX we've already been in for some time. A rather big leap, but not dissimilar. BTW, have you noticed how many more people are actually listed in the credits of movies since this began to happen? Credits go on for ever now, with walls of names. It will be interesting to see if the number of people it takes to produce a move actually goes down, or up as this evolves.

    But I think to focus on entertainment, advertising, music, journalism, etc. is probably missing the real drama that we're headed for. We're heading toward fakes so pervasive and so good that knowing what is real is going to become very, very difficult.

    That's where I believe the truly dizzying impacts are going to be seen next. And these will be real impacts, with real world consequences, not just some shifts in production of entertainment and advertising and replacement of jobs. People already form their views largely by being fed in line with their confirmation bias. It's going to be trivial to feed massive amounts of utterly convincing material for manipulative purposes virtually instantly. It is going to get real ugly and very confusing real soon.

    People will try to contain this but it can't be stopped. It's going to be an interesting ride.

  • @wim said:
    As far as entertainment goes, it's just a continuation of the evolution of CGI FX we've already been in for some time. A rather big leap, but not dissimilar. BTW, have you noticed how many more people are actually listed in the credits of movies since this began to happen? Credits go on for ever now, with walls of names. It will be interesting to see if the number of people it takes to produce a move actually goes down, or up as this evolves.

    But I think to focus on entertainment, advertising, music, journalism, etc. is probably missing the real drama that we're headed for. We're heading toward fakes so pervasive and so good that knowing what is real is going to become very, very difficult.

    That's where I believe the truly dizzying impacts are going to be seen next. And these will be real impacts, with real world consequences, not just some shifts in production of entertainment and advertising and replacement of jobs. People already form their views largely by being fed in line with their confirmation bias. It's going to be trivial to feed massive amounts of utterly convincing material for manipulative purposes virtually instantly. It is going to get real ugly and very confusing real soon.

    People will try to contain this but it can't be stopped. It's going to be an interesting ride.

    Might come to the point where the sources of news and information will narrow because so few will be worth reading/ watching/ following due to the prevalence of perfect fakes.

  • @Gavinski said:

    Edit: adding a direct link to the ‘Nice Aunties’ Twitter, because the tweet I posted above was not actually tweeted by them.
    https://x.com/niceaunties/status/1712845626881556533?s=20
    They have some other cool stuff and it all manages to maintain the same aesthetic

    They're fun but I still much prefer how non "AI art" makes me feel, I get bored with looking at AI art, they become just a meaningless tech demo in the end, and by Dalle4 they will look dated. If they made them into a sculptures they might be quite good, but still nothing "new" there, we've had surrealism for 100 years.

    I even prefer more minimalist generative CGI work if the maths is visible, more pure generative art, because there the visible beauty in the maths retains it's meaning and that translates to the viewer, the form relates to the content, it's all about language. I do think LLMs are much more interesting than the image generators in how they can be more adaptable assistants🙂

    So I think better results will be had by using LLMs to help you create more advanced tools to create images with, not generate the actual images themselves via the repetitive models.

  • edited October 2023

    I was using AI images so much last year that coming off them and going back to more pure image sources for a while felt like I was kicking a bad drug/food habit. I was seeing so many thousands of AI images that they all started to feel dirty like you're rooting around in the waste, and in a way that's exactly what you're doing.

    So for me, one of the best things about AI generative art is that how you can appreciate the pure stuff even more afterwards, like going from processed junk food to pure food. The purity of the source material is really an important thing which will never disappear.

    AI art is the equivalent of ultra-processed food, short term satisfaction and bad for your health :)

  • @Carnbot said:
    I was using AI images so much last year that coming off them and going back to more pure image sources for a while felt like I was kicking a bad drug/food habit. I was seeing so many thousands of AI images that they all started to feel dirty like you're rooting around in the waste, and in a way that's exactly what you're doing.

    So for me, one of the best things about AI generative art is that how you can appreciate the pure stuff even more afterwards, like going from processed junk food to pure food. The purity of the source material is really an important thing which will never disappear.

    AI art is the equivalent of ultra-processed food, short term satisfaction and bad for your health :)

    Haha, I like that analogy. I’m with you btw that using AI as a disembodied personal assistant of various kinds is more interesting than as an art generator.

  • edited October 2023

    The really important question, though, is whether AI will actually get as good as most are expecting it to. Some, who know a lot about AI, like Gary Marcus, have said there’s a real possibility that it will remain too error-prone to become as disruptive as many people are expecting. I don’t know, interested to hear educated opinions on that

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