I interviewed ChatGPT About the Future of Music Production | Here’s What it Had to Say!

Krupa

Another analogy I feel reflects most AI generated stuff is that of dreams, I’m happy enough talking about my own, or exploring them, but most peoples eyes glaze over when someone starts telling you theirs. Unless it’s a truly remarkable and meaningful one, you’re unlikely to be interested and the same can be said of most AI generated work. Why look at someone else’s dream whatever when you can have your own? (Caveat there will likely be a kind of DJ class of generators/prompt engineers that cultivate a fan base, but even they will find it hard to keep ahead of their own audience)

The low hanging fruit of crap advertising will no doubt be overtaken by it, and will have largely the same effect, it just won’t employ people who really should be doing better work anyway…

Where i have found it is interesting and useful is in the conversations you can have with it when creating your own work, in terms of the language stuff. With the visual side, I’ve found ways of using it that aren’t letting it drive the bus creatively, but adding a layer of detail and a non CGI quality that would be very time consuming otherwise.

I can see mass adoption of not the output content itself, but more of set up systems that generate content to cater to your whims; a marvel studios movie maker comes straight to mind, just describe your own fantasy superheroine and away it will go and make a franchise just for you, complete with comics, posters, films, series etc, possibly even action figures 3d printed on order. That sort of thing will be the revolution of it I think.

AudioGus

@Carnbot said:

@Gavinski said:

Edit: adding a direct link to the ‘Nice Aunties’ Twitter, because the tweet I posted above was not actually tweeted by them.
https://x.com/niceaunties/status/1712845626881556533?s=20
They have some other cool stuff and it all manages to maintain the same aesthetic

They're fun but I still much prefer how non "AI art" makes me feel, I get bored with looking at AI art, they become just a meaningless tech demo in the end, and by Dalle4 they will look dated. If they made them into a sculptures they might be quite good,

Yup, naked txt2img is getting to be about as interesting as dropping a couple ps filters on a stock photo (hello 90s). It really is about applying this stuff to something beyond itself and using it to satisfy a larger context.

Carnbot

@AudioGus said

Yea there so many interesting ways you can use it. Being creative with the use and context of it is where it's at.

NeuM

@Gavinski said:
The really important question, though, is whether AI will actually get as good as most are expecting it to. Some, who know a lot about AI, like Gary Marcus, have said there’s a real possibility that it will remain too error-prone to become as disruptive as many people are expecting. I don’t know, interested to hear educated opinions on that

I don’t know how anyone could reach the conclusion he has reached considering the current rate of improvement.

SevenSystems

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:
The really important question, though, is whether AI will actually get as good as most are expecting it to. Some, who know a lot about AI, like Gary Marcus, have said there’s a real possibility that it will remain too error-prone to become as disruptive as many people are expecting. I don’t know, interested to hear educated opinions on that

I don’t know how anyone could reach the conclusion he has reached considering the current rate of improvement.

Denial.

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:
The really important question, though, is whether AI will actually get as good as most are expecting it to. Some, who know a lot about AI, like Gary Marcus, have said there’s a real possibility that it will remain too error-prone to become as disruptive as many people are expecting. I don’t know, interested to hear educated opinions on that

I don’t know how anyone could reach the conclusion he has reached considering the current rate of improvement.

Do you expect perfection in AI?

rs2000

@SevenSystems said:

@McD said:
When humans realized they were causing the extinction of precious species we created Zoos and programs to insure the survival of these creatures. I think AI will create “Conservatories” for musicians so we will not die out. Lord knows we’re fun to watch.

But finding out a way for us to make money from music? That’s an NP-complete problem… beyond the computational power of today’s technology. Maybe quantum computers will find us a niche in the fully AI controlled world.

There is a computable solution for income inequality which is impactful on our problem. It’s called socialism. Creeping socialism will prevent the rapid proliferation of AI applied to public policy. That will still be the domain of corrupt humans for a few more decades. “Mine” is a verb and a noun. The noun is winning.

As much as I have always been a proponent of reasonable capitalism and opposed to socialism (I mean, it hasn't really worked too well in most real-world scenarios...), I fear (or hope?) that socialism might be the only "solution" going forward.

Looking back at history, in which case did socialism work out well for the majority of people?
It's much more likely that the technology's use would be restricted to a few selected "representatives" using the tech to "keep folks in control" even better.

Very soon, there will simply be not nearly enough "opportunities" for humans to work. Almost all work can soon be done by AI or AI-controlled machines. So essentially, a universal basic income will be a MUST in order for society to function.

OK, I better start getting into robot repair soon 😂

It's not a bad prospect, but it will be very difficult to implement correctly, and given the average competence of most politicians, I'm really fearing for the worst regarding that transition 😂

Agreed. We know how people are and how likely it is for them to change 🫣

wingwizard

Ai is comfortably the most significant human creation since the internet and probably the beginning of the the most significant in human history imo. It’s a laugh too. And fun, in a world in which nothing else is. It’s like having been wandering around in a field for ages suddneky finding the gate leading to new places.

Iwhether or not it’s better than people at creating - I mean who cares. If it is, brilliant and there is absolutely no way it isn’t already better than 90 percent of the music industry. That’s just a mirror held up to how ‘music’ is currently created. If you make stuff, I mean actually make stuff not just some watered down imitation of that, then bloody hell, it’s so exciting. My mind is on fire.

When peopel say what it creates is generic or something : I mean welcome to my world, that’s what I hear or see every time I turn on a western tv channel, Netflix, or look on metacritic. What’s the difference. That’s what I’ve heard from music for twenty years now at least. It’s harder and harder to find anything with originality the more efficient everythung has become. The only time it happens is when it’s someone outside of everything.

If you love what you do, if you are a born artist, if you have to do it, if you did it when you were poor or rich alike, single or in a couple, as a kid, as a kid as a kid, all day every day … you don’t care. You do what you do. You don’t look up long enough to care. You do it with ai also doing it. Or without. People making this argument care about their wage packet and should stop dressing it up otherwise.

We live in a creative vacuum. It’s trends, social media, content creators, televised singing contests for hairdressers, and samples. There’s no feelimg to lose.

I worked in ‘creative’ industries. It’s an oxymoron, they’re awful. Ai doesn’t ruin creative stuff - industry does, fuck it all. It’s horrendous out there already for anyone with artistic or personal integrity - everything is marketing, virtue signalling and this pastel shaded middle middle middle class middle of the road middle brow bbc guardian curated soulless graveyard or xfactor love island.bigbrither waxwork griffins. Sense of entitlement replacing the human soul. Race/gender has replaced depth. Among a]relatively affluent western middle classes with no problems - always the melting pot of creative magic.

So yes, ai, ai please.

No Philosophy. No art. No experimentation. It’s either trash, fake tanned, McDonald’s level autotuned lift music that footballers probably follow in insta, or a bunch of thick rimmed bespectacled, aging hipsters trying to pretend they have any artistic visceral fluid in their bodies by tepidly nodding at whatever universities or the guardian say is good and ‘literary’ and learning phrases from celebrity master chef. BURN IT ALL, BURN IT ALL

It used to get me down. I mean really down. Like unabomber down. Not now. It doesn’t really exist to me.

This whole idea of ai corrupting or introducing soullessness is kind of ridiculous when it comes from people and industries that are all artifice.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m tolerant, I acceot different people’s different tastes and abilities and preferences. But don’t get me wrong, I am not tolerant, I don’t accept them in my personal life or my HOUSE OR MY EARS or my eyes. Particular my eyes. Dear god not the eyes.

So for me, personally, ai is literally taking jobs from people who don’t deserve them and are in the way of exciting real new things. If some massively overpaid producers, music people, actors or whatever can be replaced so easily - 1. It’s not exactly time for comic relief is it. 2. Kind of tells you something

Do the thing that can’t be done. If someone can’t, maybe they weren’t entitled to be a singer.songwriter massive legend of humanity after all.

As for it destroying humanity. Kukukuku. No great loss.

I’ll just keep writing and lolling. Full steam ahead.

Ng. I saw someone complaining about misinformation. As if we need ai for thta. The guardian and bbc literally print and publish utter bollocks almost 100 percent of the time and people lap it up likes it’s any different to the tabloids. It’s all just whcih brand of bullshit massages your ego and affirms your sense of identity, keeps you from ever thinking for or challenging yourself

wingwizard

You know what, for all the excitement I feel about new things and experimentation, and entering these particle accelerators of ideas.. you know what really really affects me? Hearing some kid who can’t sing that well on an acoustic guitar playing three chords and singing something that is really coming from his heart, about something that broke it.

The world that doesn’t listen to that, deserves all it gets.

Whether or not ai will be able to do something that makes me feel the same doesn’t matter because it doesn’t change the fact, those kids can.

The only time I’ve seen anyone in music say anything I agree with was Linda Perry on about reality contest music shows. I think she was plugging her own attempt at a different style one, but the argument was put to her.. but surely these people are talented, they can sing, and she echoed my own thoughts. Yes they can sing but SO THE FUCK WHAT, loads of peopel can sing, they’re two a penny. That’s not what’s special. Industries whatever they are, are run by people who do not have any feeling for what is special in that field, just how to run industry, and thus populated with people the same

SevenSystems

@rs2000 said:

@SevenSystems said:

@McD said:
When humans realized they were causing the extinction of precious species we created Zoos and programs to insure the survival of these creatures. I think AI will create “Conservatories” for musicians so we will not die out. Lord knows we’re fun to watch.

But finding out a way for us to make money from music? That’s an NP-complete problem… beyond the computational power of today’s technology. Maybe quantum computers will find us a niche in the fully AI controlled world.

There is a computable solution for income inequality which is impactful on our problem. It’s called socialism. Creeping socialism will prevent the rapid proliferation of AI applied to public policy. That will still be the domain of corrupt humans for a few more decades. “Mine” is a verb and a noun. The noun is winning.

As much as I have always been a proponent of reasonable capitalism and opposed to socialism (I mean, it hasn't really worked too well in most real-world scenarios...), I fear (or hope?) that socialism might be the only "solution" going forward.

Looking back at history, in which case did socialism work out well for the majority of people?

It hasn't worked in the past because there actually was a lot of work that had to be done, and people were too lazy to do it because there was no competition.

But if in the future there was genuinely no work to do anymore, socialism might actually work 😄 and be the only viable solution.

Karl Marx would be proud of AI!

It's much more likely that the technology's use would be restricted to a few selected "representatives" using the tech to "keep folks in control" even better.

I haven't thought about that but it's probably a realistic (if pessimistic) view.

wim

@wingwizard said: As for it destroying humanity. Kukukuku. No great loss.

I'm with ya there. Besides, we're gonna do it ourselves eventually if AI or an asteroid doesn't do it first.

SevenSystems

@wim said:

@wingwizard said: As for it destroying humanity. Kukukuku. No great loss.

I'm with ya there. Besides, we're gonna do it ourselves eventually if AI or an asteroid doesn't do it first.

Hate humanity as much as you wish (I certainly sometimes do), but in evolutionary terms, it's still the most successful species we currently know of.

wim

@SevenSystems said:

@wim said:

@wingwizard said: As for it destroying humanity. Kukukuku. No great loss.

I'm with ya there. Besides, we're gonna do it ourselves eventually if AI or an asteroid doesn't do it first.

Hate humanity as much as you wish (I certainly sometimes do), but in evolutionary terms, it's still the most successful species we currently know of.

Until it isn’t.

I know one thing. The rest of the planet sure isn’t benefiting from mankind.

Btw. I don’t hate humanity. I dislike certain aspects of it for sure, and I do have zero faith that we’ll redeem ourselves. Nothing is pointing in that direction.

wim

So, @SevenSystems how do you define a “successful” species?

I would have to give top spot to cats. After all, we do work for them.

SevenSystems

@wim said:
So, @SevenSystems how do you define a “successful” species?

I would have to give top spot to cats. After all, we do work for them.

😄 oh I'm a huge fan of cats too, no worries... I always have them around me "automatically" without any effort... the unfortunate thing is that I've never actually had a lease where pets were allowed, so they were always kept "around the property" (which is better for them anyway I guess).

I guess "successful" in evolutionary terms is when a species spreads rapidly and dominates other species, which humans clearly do.

It would be even more successful of course if this were sustainable. That's something we're probably both not sure about

wim

@SevenSystems said:

@wim said:
So, @SevenSystems how do you define a “successful” species?

I would have to give top spot to cats. After all, we do work for them.

😄 oh I'm a huge fan of cats too, no worries... I always have them around me "automatically" without any effort... the unfortunate thing is that I've never actually had a lease where pets were allowed, so they were always kept "around the property" (which is better for them anyway I guess).

We do have one thing up on them IMO ... how we clean our butts.

SevenSystems

@wim said:

@SevenSystems said:

@wim said:
So, @SevenSystems how do you define a “successful” species?

I would have to give top spot to cats. After all, we do work for them.

😄 oh I'm a huge fan of cats too, no worries... I always have them around me "automatically" without any effort... the unfortunate thing is that I've never actually had a lease where pets were allowed, so they were always kept "around the property" (which is better for them anyway I guess).

We do have one thing up on them IMO ... how we clean our butts.

True... but they in turn have this stuff sorted better than the next pet one step further down the evolutionary chain... 🐶

AudioGus

@SevenSystems said:

@rs2000 said:

@SevenSystems said:

@McD said:
When humans realized they were causing the extinction of precious species we created Zoos and programs to insure the survival of these creatures. I think AI will create “Conservatories” for musicians so we will not die out. Lord knows we’re fun to watch.

But finding out a way for us to make money from music? That’s an NP-complete problem… beyond the computational power of today’s technology. Maybe quantum computers will find us a niche in the fully AI controlled world.

There is a computable solution for income inequality which is impactful on our problem. It’s called socialism. Creeping socialism will prevent the rapid proliferation of AI applied to public policy. That will still be the domain of corrupt humans for a few more decades. “Mine” is a verb and a noun. The noun is winning.

As much as I have always been a proponent of reasonable capitalism and opposed to socialism (I mean, it hasn't really worked too well in most real-world scenarios...), I fear (or hope?) that socialism might be the only "solution" going forward.

Looking back at history, in which case did socialism work out well for the majority of people?

It hasn't worked in the past because there actually was a lot of work that had to be done, and people were too lazy to do it because there was no competition.

But if in the future there was genuinely no work to do anymore, socialism might actually work 😄 and be the only viable solution.

Karl Marx would be proud of AI!

I work with a guy who is a self proclaimed communist but is also vehemently against AI... yah I can't figure him out.

Fear2Stop

I use Nightcafe to make AI Art, and, well...Iceworks fans/obsessives like myself may get a kick out of this xD

https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/hwxPKCJGESE0WHQMxyeB

Yes, that was me having a little fun with the Nambu description...I actually used the Iceworks apps descriptions as prompts for other creations as well, like this one for LaGrange https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/9uIXsw6ZpFJfxLkOG0ZO

wingwizard

@wim said:

@SevenSystems said:

@wim said:
So, @SevenSystems how do you define a “successful” species?

I would have to give top spot to cats. After all, we do work for them.

😄 oh I'm a huge fan of cats too, no worries... I always have them around me "automatically" without any effort... the unfortunate thing is that I've never actually had a lease where pets were allowed, so they were always kept "around the property" (which is better for them anyway I guess).

We do have one thing up on them IMO ... how we clean our butts.

Speak for yourself u_u

wingwizard

@AudioGus said:

@SevenSystems said:

@rs2000 said:

@SevenSystems said:

@McD said:
When humans realized they were causing the extinction of precious species we created Zoos and programs to insure the survival of these creatures. I think AI will create “Conservatories” for musicians so we will not die out. Lord knows we’re fun to watch.

But finding out a way for us to make money from music? That’s an NP-complete problem… beyond the computational power of today’s technology. Maybe quantum computers will find us a niche in the fully AI controlled world.

There is a computable solution for income inequality which is impactful on our problem. It’s called socialism. Creeping socialism will prevent the rapid proliferation of AI applied to public policy. That will still be the domain of corrupt humans for a few more decades. “Mine” is a verb and a noun. The noun is winning.

As much as I have always been a proponent of reasonable capitalism and opposed to socialism (I mean, it hasn't really worked too well in most real-world scenarios...), I fear (or hope?) that socialism might be the only "solution" going forward.

Looking back at history, in which case did socialism work out well for the majority of people?

It hasn't worked in the past because there actually was a lot of work that had to be done, and people were too lazy to do it because there was no competition.

But if in the future there was genuinely no work to do anymore, socialism might actually work 😄 and be the only viable solution.

Karl Marx would be proud of AI!

I work with a guy who is a self proclaimed communist but is also vehemently against AI... yah I can't figure him out.

Yeah, I see a lot of self proclaimed communists. Usually tweeting about it, while in Starbucks. Right on!

SevenSystems

Political thread meltdown in 3... 2... 1... 🧨

knewspeak

@SevenSystems said:
Political thread meltdown in 3... 2... 1... 🧨

Naughty, Long Live the Bean of Caffeine

wim

Can we please get this thread back on subject and keep things focused on cats?

SevenSystems

@wim said:
Can we please get this thread back on subject and keep things focused on cats?

And apolitical cats please!

AudioGus

Achoo!

wim

The rest of this article is the usual regurgitated stuff, but the glibness of the last sentence totally cracked me up. 😂

OpenAI and rivals maintain the goal is for AI to benefit humanity, solving long-intractable problems such as climate change.

At the same time, AI industry leaders are calling for thoughtful regulation to prevent risks such as human extinction.

Gavinski

@wim said:
The rest of this article is the usual regurgitated stuff, but the glibness of the last sentence totally cracked me up. 😂

OpenAI and rivals maintain the goal is for AI to benefit humanity, solving long-intractable problems such as climate change.

At the same time, AI industry leaders are calling for thoughtful regulation to prevent risks such as human extinction.

Lmao... Was this AI-generated by any chance? Really getting 'I don't give a f***' vibes there 😂

Fear2Stop

@Gavinski said:

@wim said:
The rest of this article is the usual regurgitated stuff, but the glibness of the last sentence totally cracked me up. 😂

OpenAI and rivals maintain the goal is for AI to benefit humanity, solving long-intractable problems such as climate change.

At the same time, AI industry leaders are calling for thoughtful regulation to prevent risks such as human extinction.

Lmao... Was this AI-generated by any chance? Really getting 'I don't give a f***' vibes there 😂

LMFAO yeah no kidding