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Our metropolis video got a copyright strike
Our metropolis video got a copyright strike and has been removed by YouTube.
Any idea why this happened folks?
Unfortunately that means I will no longer be able to take the risk of hosting our soundtracked silent movies on my channel 
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Wow, that looks like the Murnau institute, I guess I’ll have to get in touch now 😅😂
So they own the rights to the 2010 remaster of the film which I'm reasonably sure we didn't use. They have a history of "abusing" their power according to Wikipedia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_Murnau_Foundation
"Metropolis" has been revamped and re-released many times. I imagine that someone, somewhere owns it.
Even if they don't really care about the AudioBus Forum making a version, they would still challenge it as "standard practice" to maintain protection of their material.
Yeah never again. My memory on things is hazy but I would never have offered to host this had I known it could lead to a strike. I was not involved in sourcing this video so I hope that whoever was will be able to help get any necessary evidence together to help me appeal, very annoying situation
If you need some native German speaker to assist you, let me know.
https://archive.org/details/MetropolisGriggsMoviedrome
This is the one we used, it’s labelled Public Domain Mark 1.0 Universal and there’s a link on that page which describes the legal status. I can’t see any reason (if that status is indeed labelled correctly) that our usage of it would be subject to any copyright infringement.
Yeah I remember we deliberated a lot over which version to use and used this one in good faith.
It is possible to successfully appeal. I had this bullshit over public domain video footage I used on one of my vids, I sent the evidence to the claimer, some weird self improvement cult who had used the same footage in one of their woo woo infomercials, and to YouTube, and the claimer withdrew their claim.
Does the AudioBus video have any indication on it that tells people that the version used was the Public Domain version?
If not, then the Murnau people might think that it was sourced from a commercial version.
I’m not sure actually, I didn’t write the blurb on this one and can’t remember. It might have helped, but I think I was probably right in the very first place that we should have created a dedicated channel for these rather than put any risk into the one that Gav has diligently built over years.
I just had an interesting thought; we could put them on archive dot org, that’s where they came from and it’sa pretty solid place to let them sit in posterity, and easy to find if there’s a dedicated account/tag etc…
That's a really good idea
This is encouraging! Yeah hopefully it will be sorted ♥ as Sevenape says we acted in good faith and I never even monetised that video
@Gavinski Damn. Really hope you can successfully contest it. 🤞
@Krupa Good idea re Archive.org
Gah people that get strike happy are so frustrating. Sorry that happened to you @Gavinski and sorry to all the others that participated for having your work taken down. Stuff like this so annoying.
I’ve emailed the foundation, I think I found the right department to try to strike up a relationship to do more. I’ve made a pretty good case with them I think, and even provided links to the sources we used for each of the two scores we’ve made. Out of office until the end of the week but fingers crossed we get a positive response …
That's annoying...it says here in the EU it remains under copyright until 2046, I guess that's the reason
https://www.cultureslate.com/explained/metropolis-enters-the-public-domain-and-what-it-means-for-this-classic-film
Oh great Chris, I haven't had a chance yet so I'll just wait for now and see how they respond, then wade in if necessary. I really appreciate you doing that buddy!
Ah, sorry, but I’ve mainly done it on the basis of seeking cooperation. I’m not sure who to contact for getting the strike removed and it’s probably best coming from you…there is a listing for legal on their contact page, but I got in touch with the film archive and heritage funding person…
I missed this whole copyright strike news completely. Has there been any feedback since Oct?
Both Krupa and I wrote to them. Krupa heard back, though I can’t remember what they said. I am the one most directly affected, but didn’t get a peep out of them. That’s rude, imo.
How does this even work on a YouTube video?
“ Under current U.S. copyright law, Metropolis entered the public domain on 1 January 2023; the U.S. copyright limit for films of its age is 95 years from publication per the Copyright Term Extension Act.[105]
Under current EU copyright law, the film will remain under copyright in Germany and the rest of the European Union until the end of 2046, 70 years after Fritz Lang's death.[note 2]”
Huh, thanks for the reply, anyway.
Depends where you are using it, in the US you are free and clear, in the EU not so much.
I hadnt realized the difference between UK/EU and US copyright. I had assumed Metropolis was now public domain - and i had wondered about doing a soundtrack myself - a kind of long term project. I suppose i can still do so, just not show it to anyone when completed :-) Unless it takes me so long that it leaves copyright in the EU.
As YouTube vids are viewable worldwide, I would be wary of thinking it has anything to do with where you yourself are based, tbh. We thought we had checked the situation well enough prior to posting the vid on YT. When I got the copyright strike, we still concluded that Murray’s estate were in the wrong. But contesting it is a bit of a pain in the arse, and YT is risk averse when it comes to this area I guess. The burden of proof seems to fall on the YouTuber. You either have to get the copyright holder to withdraw their claim or you need to contact YouTube and convince them the copyright claim from the other party was in error.
Anything 100 years old is copyright free. Unfortunately Metropolis was made in 1927. They are really nitpicking on this one.
That’s not the case in the United States - movies enter the public domain after 95 years, although they can become public domain earlier if they were never copyrighted.
It’s all a bit more complicated than just the date the film was made; copyright can be renewed by remasters, fresh edits or other treatments. The one we picked was actually an edit from the 1960s without much reference to who actually owned it. I’m pretty sure the Murnau institute doesn’t have it as they have the original and later remasters, but they said they picked it up in a wide trawl they did. I have had the energy or inclination to chase it up lately, I’ll see how my mood improves when my task list gets a bit more manageable in the near future…
It would be great if there are any lawyers here that can help this community. Perhaps there’s a non-profit organization that helps with copyright claims in similar situations.
I got pinged once for a Depeche Mode song that I remade from scratch. I don’t think that’s a copyright infringement but what do I know?
If no one fights against ridiculous things like this, it’ll just get worse, as it has been in the past few years.