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RealPhase: semi-open beta
Hi,
We'd like to expand our current beta group for our upcoming modeled phaser plugin.
Instead of doing our usual DM process or posting elsewhere, a limited public beta has been created in TestFlight (with a user count derived from our last public beta).
If you're interested in vintage phasers, and can dedicate time to it now, give it a go.
If you're not, please leave the spot open for someone else as a courtesy.
https://testflight.apple.com/join/fLgeIxJZ
This is not a bug hunt or a testing grind: the goal is to identify any potential items that are best addressed pre-release from a technical standpoint. We'd like to keep the process focused, lean and streamlined.
This phaser is a reproduction of a concrete hardware unit from 40 years ago. It's a 4-stage one, and was most notably used with bright synth string sounds (e.g. Yamaha's "string machines").
Thanks!
Comments
This is genuinely probably the best phaser app on iOS. Great work you guys have done. It’s been smooth for me so far but I’m still testing and using it almost daily.
Thanks
This was a massive project for us.
Phasers do come in many flavors - as long as we are only including a 4-stage model, there is plenty of room out there for different sounds / apps. Though the long-term vision is to turn this into an anthology app, adding further models of actual hardware effects in future.
I was curious because the tab for the pedal doesn’t go anywhere so I was thinking there may be more in store 🤩
Definitely still room for all of them. I’ll still use Bleass and FAC along with this one as they all offer something unique and interesting.
Hi. Does this have a step mode? It’s so so hard to find that and there are one maybe 2 on iOS but I forgot where, possibly a nit great one in something like turnado or an amp fx app.
The boss ph-1 or whatever it’s called pedal had the step mode and it sounded incredible like alien insects
Hi,
Technically, staircase triangles or sines are not included at the moment, but a composite LFO with a triangle + square configuration can be probably used to create a similar effect. But we will have to double check that pedal reference to make sure.
On a similar note it may be worth mentioning that a Shepard tone-style infinite mode is also available (as an add-on, not as part of the analog model itself)
Hi, I've been running it with my heavy distorted guitar for about an hour or so and, I really like it. I mainly use phaser put before the guitar amp and that's it, I'm not big on phaser/chorus effects otherwise but this one seem a bit more versatile than the usual lot and it sounds really good.
I've only been going through some presets so far but I'll do some more varied testing in the coming days. Good work.
Oh, one thing: the modulation menu I think should show it's (13-14?) entries when clicking on it, it's never good guessing your way back and forth even if you learn it quickly with time. I get it's problematic with space but, it's my two cents anyway.
Thanks for taking the time to test it.
Similarly to the mentioned example of bright synth strings, guitar distortion also does a good job supplying the harmonic-rich, unfiltered kind of sound that makes this phaser shine.
Perhaps a bit uncharacteristic for a phaser, but adding some ambience or spatialization to these typically mono sounds at the input stage can also do a bit of magic when combining it with the fractional Mid-Side processing setting that most presets have. Though pairing mono sounds with these presets is also something we're looking for feedback about (for example, before the lock feature was added, locking the stereo mode specifically was briefly considered to keep the L/R setting for mono inputs, which, if preferred is now possible using the general locking feature).
And indeed, a larger browser for modulation options is planned, as well as a full-screen option for all the "range modulation" pages. These will be probably added first, with more full-screen editors potentially coming later (composite LFO / parallel mode editor, and interactive LFO waveform visualization is being considered as well). A separate preset system or a quick-recall "palette" for range modulation data is being weighed for a future update, not sure if that's something that would see daily use though - so some feedback from the community would be welcome regarding that as well.
Hi @quantovox
That's a very nice sounding phaser I must say!
A few things that I found odd:
Cheers!
rs2000
It sounds really good - quite dimensional, sometimes very thick and wah-like. Makes me want to read the manual - so many options! But it’s the sound that oozes quality - I think this is my favorite phaser on iOS so far without reservation.
That’s a incredible amounts of presets.
Great phaser
Running StringLab through this, it’s extremely sweet! Gives almost No Quarter vibes.
Hi!
Thanks for the feedback.
Did you try the 50% and 75% overlap settings on the param tab?
Cross-fading is pretty tricky, as either you reduce the effective sweep range or have the jump audible. The 25% overlap setting was heavily reworked to provide a better ease-in and out curve, but the wraparound can still be picked up in some cases.
Since this is a replica of one of the earliest hardware phasers, the Shepard mode is an add-on, and treats the phaser as a black box (and this feature is designed to work for future hardware models as well). This is most detrimental when the crossfading causes notch cancellations, making them oscillate instead of travel (the drift you experienced is probably the combination of this phenomenon and a reduced sweep range as you described).
On the other hand we ended up considering it to be actually and effect that could be utilized, after acknowledging that this is a quasi or "best effort" implementation and not that of mathematical perfection. Though we floated the idea of at least making the framework aware of the exact notch positions, which we may take another look at, though it could end up further reducing the range, and that may be considered a worse issue.
To make things further challenging, this phaser doesn't have a high ceiling in the sweep range. And unlike digital phasers, direct free-form manipulation of the allpass stages is not possible in the model that would allow a completely different approach.
Of course if we were to model a hardware unit that had a Shepard mode built-in, that would allow a completely different approach.
If you haven't, please check if 50% or 75% overlaps are an improvement. If this is deemed impractical to have a "2.0" future update, we may pick this up again before release, after we've evaluated all points of feedback.
Cheers!
I’m trying to add a video I made. The fac Phazer has a step mode but it’s not much fun. Turnado has one that is similar, though not quite as good sounding as the ph-3 boss pedal. There are a load of waveforms which affect the step mode and I found that the random step one is what guves it the distinctive insect chatter/underwater sound. A really adjustable version of that on a high end phaser sound would be my dream. hint hint
I’m trying to upload a video I just made demonstrating the different waves - I don’t really understand phasing so it took a while
Ooookkkk, it so t let me add a video here so I’ll try a photo instead
I wanted to upload the screen recording as it sounds so cool and bubbly but it won’t let me
Ok also, ingeniously, It won’t let me upload a photo so cool all round. I’m off to unplug the toaster and run a bath
Really lovely and immediate sound to this, just been guitar noodling for a good half hour’s relaxation before work and not had so much fun with a phaser in years…
Agreed. I didn’t think a phaser could be one of my favorite effects of the year, but there we are haha
like all things quantovox (i use spatializer and truepan): the attention to quality audio is obvious from the second you hear it
Excellent range of vintage phaser sounds, stable so far
exzellent effect. feedback doesn't do, what a phaser feedback normally does?
Playing my Strat through it (clean sound) + comparing it to FAC Phazer (my fave at the moment), RealPhase has less top end.. it sounds a bit muffled.. this could be intentional as to the original unit that was modelled, but I’d really like to hear the crisp + crystal highs when playing a clean sound.. also tried it with apeSoft’s Electric + found the same thing.. it doesn’t seem as bright as FAC..
Otherwise some really cool sounds here.. if it gets expanded to eventually include other models, that would be fantastic..
Haven’t found any issues with it from my use so far just wanted to compliment on how great it sounds. I’m loving it with guitar and bass
This phaser sounds great.
That's correct, it aims to replicate a piece of hardware. Here's an A/B test of sorts:
The chorus / ensemble effect is not exactly identical in the two variants, leading to slightly different timings of the beating effect.
Developing the first model took a massive amount of time and effort (we actually worked on two up to a point), maybe it will be a speedier process with subsequent ones, but don't want to downplay any peculiarities or surprises a hardware unit can have in store. Exact timelines and prioritizing more models will depend on several things, not least of which is continued feedback from the community once the plugin is out. As of now, it looks more like a long-term vision.
trying to upload a video I just made demonstrating the different waves - I don’t really understand phasing so it took a while
Video you see here all go via YT (sometimes twitter or insta but 99,9% Youtube).
You can upload any type of file as long as you zip it first, but the max size allowed (forget what it is) is too small for most videos, so yes - just upload as 'unlisted' on youtube - make sure it is not public as this is a beta - and share the link here
Thanks let’s try this…
It sounds better with a plucked sounds so I should have used that but yiu can still hear the bubbly step phasing with the random step waveform. I still don’t really understand how to do it or what the wave is affecting but I’d love a high quality phaser that could do this
Édit: yay
Thanks. This seems to be an S&H oscillator, which is available already in RealPhase.
If you start with the preset "Velvet Cathode", first restore the full sweep range by double tapping on the "Sweep low" knob. You may also want to dial down the stereo mode to L/R and the stereo phase to 0, but you can probably explore it from there.
Or better, start from an Init preset (available after you tap on the preset name display), and select the S&H modulation type on the left screen, by the right arrow (will be quite a bit far down the list).
Let us know how it goes. If you want to match the sound extremely closely, that is another topic, potentially touching on a "2x" mode that is being considered as a feature to be added.
We checked out the PH-3 pedal, and it appears to feature a staircase sine wave LFO (or perhaps a staircase triangle), which is not yet supported by the plugin, but we can probably add it easily.
Thanks so much for listening and checking out the ph-3! If you do get the time to add it, it would be amazing for me. That pedal is definitely better sounding than the turnado step function in my video. It’s the only pedal I became obsessed with as it’s such a unique sound. I will give it a go, and keeping an eye out for the app release date now
Congratulations on the app. I’ll give it a go. Cheers!
this is one very fine phaser. Excellent work, thank you very much.
Hi! Thanks for all the feedback.
Is there any additional feedback on the Rise / Fall (Shepard) modes? Now is the time to send it our way!
We've taken a long, hard look at possibly making it more seamless even beyond what's offered by the 50% and 75% overlap modes. It's a fine balancing act, and this particular vintage pedal places some practical limitations on what can be achieved.
At this point, with further attempts at fine-tuning, we're seeing diminishing returns when evaluating a wide range of audition tests - mostly stemming from the fact how stronger easing functions have an inherent property of actually sharpening the transition in the middle, it's the inescapable trade-off for the smooth transition at the two endpoints (see how the blue curve actually has a more steep middle region in the depicted example):
This phenomenon means that any marginal improvements at the endpoints come with the penalty of a more abrupt middle transition. Also in the context of this particular vintage pedal, the characteristic "sizzle" at the lowest modulation point also makes easing curves deliver the opposite result of what we'd call a smoothing effect. This was most apparent in the Hydrophone preset, making it more staggered or chunky.
So all things point to the current functionality probably remaining as-is in the released version, since it was proven as a good, balanced implementation to start with - unless some further specific feedback opens a new perspective on this.
@wingwizard : We investigated the PH-3 step mode further, and its sound relies very heavily on using a higher number of stages or much sharper notches, whereas this plugin initially will include a 4-stage model only. So if you're looking specifically for that sound, this phaser won't be the answer in its initial release. But definitely keep an eye on later updates. Don't worry about any intro pricing nonsense either.
Absolutely no reason to commit prematurely on a future promise.
Cheers!