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Ipad Pricing
Ok, doing my best not to react too much here. I have the 12.9 pro with m1. I just saw m2 stuff, and i wont upgrade but i would like to when its m3 time or a more significant change.
However, i just looked ta the pricing and… have they just hugely increased prices for absolutely no reason? I mean i got an m1 when it wasnt long out, with 512gb. Apple is woefully behind any grown up computing system when it comes to memory, they always have been due to the whole Steve jobs ‘hur dur its not a pooter its a hipster machine, no i dont like mice and keyboards you’re all fired. File systems are bad.’ approach.
I mean… imagine buying anything else marketed as pro level in computing with ..snigger.. 128 hard drive. It’s about two decades out of date. Ok.. anyway i said i wasnt going to go off. But apples price hikes/customer gouging has always been done thorugh this bizarre overvaluing of drive capacity. When you speak to a lot of people who only ever use apple you realise they get away with it due to the ignorance among those groups (in the generality) about anything regarding computing. It’s absolutely mental the complete cult brainwash going on and acceptance of this stuff. Even kpop Michael Jackson fan levels of defensiveness and aggression. That weird stockholm (I was so angry I initially put Copenhagen 😂) syndrome that is so synonymous with the company.
Ok.. yeah.. so… f+++ing 1600 quid for 512 gb now. Are you joking????? For an incremental upgrade elsewhere. 128 is not usable in anyway. Fine for a smaller non pro. 256 is SCRAPING the barrel. Not just about, just about usable for pro stuff. Not good. Not a long term device either as will be full very quickly. I just about managed to justify 1300 quid or whatever it was last time round for a f+++ing bad pc in lovely tablet form because I love and am familiar with the iOS environment. It didnt feel good but what the hell, i love iPads.
1600 quid. For 512 gb. In 2023. What planet is this? They are getting into non consumer market now. I mean, sod that - they already are. 1600 is not a consumer item especially as it’s refreshed every year. It’s in or around the luxury ar glasses niche market. For an ipad.
I’m gonna smack the s++t out of some clouds and chuck a squirrel in the sea.
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There was a huge price increase from the M1 Pro to the M2, so in the previous generation in the UK you paid £1600 for 1TB 12.9, but when the M2s were announced that price was for the 512GB, and the 1TB model was £2100.
I've no idea what the justification for the price increase was, but considering that the M2 models are only 30% faster, the 50% price increase doesn't look like a great deal, it's sort of like Moore's Law in reverse.
Sometimes Apple 'correct' prices between generations in a better way, so I hope that's the case with the iPad lineup next year, although I fear they'll use the rumoured introduction of OLED as an excuse for yet another ridiculous increase.
Don’t feel bad, I bought a 12.9” M1 with 1TB not long after it came out.
(My arse still burns where my wallet once was)😓
had similar issue, was thinking about upgrading my 3rd gen Ipad Pro 12.9 64gb , mainly because of lack of disk space - Yes I could do with a bit more memory when running Logic Pro instead of playing the "Freeze lottery" , but managed to create a 15 minute track with about 30 instruments recently.
In the end I remembered that you can use external drives, so I just copied loads of stuff (complete projects) to a £20 fast USB stick, and that gave me loads back
I'm also probably at the tipping point where I can delete Garageband (10gb) and just load in any old projects directly into logic pro IOS.
My life
Yeah thank you that’s what I thought I was seeing. It’s absolutely unjustifiable and I hope they get eaten by a dragon
I had a look on eBay to try to soothe my rage and save a few squirrels, and I suppose, supppose, maybe possibly we’ll at least be getting higher sell on if we go that route, possibly. I’m still killing at least 30 people today though
Actually a serious point, I wouldn’t upgrade one gen, but the m2 has supposedly a 40 percent faster npu. Now I know absolutely f-all about how viable this is as a new type of processing, but if m3 ups the game it could be really significant in the new couple of years. I mean, I love Ai, am quite into and a bit more up to speed on its uses now.
That said… not sure anythung will be worth doing on an iPad rather than cloud gpus with like 80 gb vram. At the rate it’s accelerating and considering it already takes a few minutes to make a three second clip of Giles brandreth jumping off a bridge. But… ai done with apps, which will be every single app, and every single Apple iOS thing within a year… might be very significant
Sorry spamming my own thread but I tell you what… I’d like to be able to move apps around as groups or create folders within folders on my Home Screen for 1600 quid… or all the other things o was able to on my xp pc when I was 14
Biggest causes for the price-bumps here in Sweden are the high inflation and the currently totally lousy USD/SEK exchange rate... (1USD is ~11SEK today, when prices were cool a few years back 1USD was equal to ~8SEK).
So Apple isn’t supposed to price adjust for inflation? Gee, thanks for the update.
See now, this is how a human being makes a point
Whereas this is internet background noise
I have news for you: Your original post is internet background noise. LOL.
The price increases are not even completely reflecting the cumulative global average rate of inflation of the past years. Also, the biggest storage device I've ever owned in my entire career is 500 GB, and it's not even half-full.
What do people need all that storage for? (genuine question!)
Most likely for sample and app hoarding of which less than ~1% gets used on a daily basis...
I would've thought PIRATED MOVIES 😊 (used to be the rage when I was young)
Thanks for the update.
That does make me feel somewhat better. Really though 500? Without any documents or recordings or videos/media my iPad is over 200. I mean, on top of that, there are samples, comics, books, media, instruments, then recordings, video files (for editing, not movies I onky stream), it just adds up. I kept having to go up and every time I did I realised I should have gone one higher so last time went for 500. But that is with all my digital stuff (all my music to work from, writing and media, files etc) being stored on the cloud as storage.
I don’t use my iPad for storage and I’m over 256 atm - just looked. When I’m being productive again the extra will easily getbused unless I’m careful about not letting multiple projects fill it up
It’s not just music though. I do a few different things on iPad and I haven’t owned a pc since I got my first iPad one 13 years ago. Art, video editing, photography, music - and all the 99 percent of apps that are unused most of the time.
OK, I must admit I'm very careful when it comes to using storage (well, pretty much ANY resource in my life, no matter if physical or "virtual"), anything that I can reasonably expect to be unnecessary in the future will get sorted and deleted.
I don't work a lot with video and video editing, so obviously that will dramatically increase the storage someone needs, so you're excused there
My statements were also only about my "work PC", which does contain my music collection and finished own music projects, but not my sample library and apps etc... so here's the overview of my iPad which I occasionally use for music making:
So, still, 250 GB "work PC + music collection" + 27 GB photos + ~ 7 GB iPad = 284 GB total storage.
I think there's room for improvement though
(can't believe we're talking about this stuff on a public forum... maybe I should actually get some work done 😂)
TLDR; re Apple Pricing
Because they can.
I’m curious guys: I have an M1 air (2022 version) that’s still fairly new and works fine. I just have so little storage. The main culprits are Decent Sampler (28 GB) and PSP (a whopping 65 GB). I think both of them work for external storage so would I be better off doing that rather than upgrading (money is tight right now anyway)? Anyone have experience with those apps and an SSD? How quickly does preset change work? And lastly, would it work with a powered usb hub so I can use my headphones, midi keyboard, and SSD simultaneously?
Don’t wanna completely hijack the thread so I can make a new post if need to be. But iPads being so expensive now is the only reason I’m considering a SSD to free up space. I mean putting those 2 apps on one would free up almost 100 gb
Sounds like you really hate iPads. Maybe don't feel like you're required to buy one? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
256 GB is definitely low. Every iPad should come with at least 1 TB of storage.
Video editing, animation and other visual creativity items can take up a lot of space.
Sample banks can be ridiculously big.
Recording how-tos easily gobble up huge amounts of space.
I feel required to buy (a new) one eventually, simply because iPads are the best creativity tools right now for immediacy and for my use cases. They're the best drawing tablets. They're ultra portable. They're just way overpriced for the components that go into them. So for me the question is more "Do I want to spend this amount for the convenience and immediacy - even though I could get way more raw power elsewhere for same amount?"
what gave it away?
Storage has been a major issue for me from the start until I went to 500. I hate having to think about it. Could you not use a larger cloud storage solution? I have 50 gb box and iCloud same or more
I agree with all of this. You always get triggered people but this was my dilemma - I wouldn’t have been annoyed if I didn’t think iPads were the best for all those reasons. It’s a better Wacom tablet for me, plus mpe instrument, massively inexpensive in terms of software synth and music workstation, video editor, photo editor, comic reader and main thing for me is writing software. They really take the piss with storage though, 256 is simply not a pro device and the ram until very recently was miles off even low budget computing. Each iteration and price hike really rides the line of —- maybe I should just get a laptop with vsts and everthung, and where I’m not prevented from doing anythung for no reason beyond ‘design choices’ constantly. Every iOS update is basically an incremental admission they were wrong
However I do prefer iPads for all the above reasons.
It would be softened somewhat if they stopped messing about and pretending not to be windows, let go of the weird restrictive Phone ui and overbearing clumsy systems to do simole things. Organising apps is abysmal. It feels like a Frankenstein os at the moment,
Not every iPad is used for music or video production. I'd speculate that most spend their lives as content consumption and game devices. It's up to every user to figure out the specifications they need for their particular use case. I don't want to pay for 1TB storage for the iPad my daughter uses to watch Disney.
You mean the desktop-grade SoC with storage that smokes even NVME SSDs in performance benchmarks? You mean the mini-led backlit 264ppi multi-touch screen that can display 4k at 60fps?
[citation needed], and if you're talking about a homebuilt PC, that's not a comparable device. If you think a Surface Pro is a better device, buy a Surface Pro. If you think an Android tablet is a better device, buy an Android tablet. If Hyundai made a car with a 1000HP engine that cost $25K, it might be faster and cheaper than most Porsches. Would it be a better car?
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I actually have 1 TB of cloud storage but a lot of stuff can’t be stored on the cloud or ends up being stored on both. All my apps, preset packs, etc are all on the iPad only. PSP and DS alone make up 100 gb.
But $80 for an SSD is a lot cheaper than a new iPad considering mine isn’t even 2 years old yet. I’m just curious how well it actually works.