Ipad Pricing

wingwizard

@mjm1138 said:

@Darkstring said:
256 GB is definitely low. Every iPad should come with at least 1 TB of storage.
Video editing, animation and other visual creativity items can take up a lot of space.
Sample banks can be ridiculously big.
Recording how-tos easily gobble up huge amounts of space.

Not every iPad is used for music or video production. I'd speculate that most spend their lives as content consumption and game devices. It's up to every user to figure out the specifications they need for their particular use case. I don't want to pay for 1TB storage for the iPad my daughter uses to watch Disney.

I feel required to buy (a new) one eventually, simply because iPads are the best creativity tools right now for immediacy and for my use cases. They're the best drawing tablets. They're ultra portable. They're just way overpriced for the components that go into them.

You mean the desktop-grade SoC with storage that smokes even NVME SSDs in performance benchmarks? You mean the mini-led backlit 264ppi multi-touch screen that can display 4k at 60fps?

So for me the question is more "Do I want to spend this amount for the convenience and immediacy - even though I could get way more raw power elsewhere for same amount?"

[citation needed], and if you're talking about a homebuilt PC, that's not a comparable device. If you think a Surface Pro is a better device, buy a Surface Pro. If you think an Android tablet is a better device, buy an Android tablet. If Hyundai made a car with a 1000HP engine that cost $25K, it might be faster and cheaper than most Porsches. Would it be a better car?

Why would you buy an iPad Pro for 1300 plus to watch Disney and play a few games? The normal ipad is a grand + less than pros and is great, fairly priced.

Your use case is not mine or his or any pro users in that example and irrelevant.

iPad components have been garbage for the money until recently and ram/storage size in particular are laughable. Apple have been trying to reverse every single one of their design principles, and iOS, while pretending not to for ten years, as the iPad started out like a big screen phone, with limited os, whereas it’s now a cut down pc. They always focused on screen tech etc, chassis design. And they could rely on the somewhat odd cultish fanbase not to question anything, basic functionality missing etc.

Of course he’s allowed to compare a home built pc. And it needn’t be homebuilt, ipad is dreadful value for money in terms of power - and that was exactly what he was talking about. Better graphics in a pc less than a third of the price. The comparison was about the value of components, and his decision on what to spend his money on for value for money and return in terms of power. Form factor is only one part of that decision. It’s not about market placement, it’s about purchasing decisions and I severely doubt anyone here has not had the thought “at this price … why don’t I just get a Mac?” At some point.

You sound defensive. As per your previous comment to me: maybe don’t feel required to defend an arrogant multinational and try to tell people what to buy?

Darkstring

It's no use arguing with people who take offense to personal opinions of others
I still use iPads and very much enjoy it, but I think they're terrible value for money, when measured on pure specs and performance.
Actually, 1TB is on the low end of what iPads should ship with. Memory and storage are back to being dirt cheap everywhere else, so apple's pricing feels like an upselling grift.

Bruques

@SevenSystems said:
The price increases are not even completely reflecting the cumulative global average rate of inflation of the past years. Also, the biggest storage device I've ever owned in my entire career is 500 GB, and it's not even half-full.

What do people need all that storage for? (genuine question!)

An average multi track recording to be mixed can be anything from 1GB to 20. After not very many recording projects I get there pretty quickly. Never mind sample libraries, my archive of collected commercial music in lossless. All before we dare to imagine something like video footage to be edited. How you couldn't imagine that, to me is weird.

SevenSystems

@Bruques said:

@SevenSystems said:
The price increases are not even completely reflecting the cumulative global average rate of inflation of the past years. Also, the biggest storage device I've ever owned in my entire career is 500 GB, and it's not even half-full.

What do people need all that storage for? (genuine question!)

An average multi track recording to be mixed can be anything from 1GB to 20.

Hmmm OK, so let's say you're using 5 instruments, the average song length is 3 minutes, and you use 10 takes per instrument, which you all keep forever (I think this is very generous?). That's 5 * 3 * 10 = 150 minutes of audio. At 44.1 kHz 16-bit, that's roughly 750 MB. So probably much closer to the lower end of your esimtate?

I must admit though that when I still did large multitrack audio projects, I burnt CDRs with them and then got them off the hard disk. But then again, back then the average hard disk was 40 GB, not 4000 😄

HotStrange

@SevenSystems said:

@Bruques said:

@SevenSystems said:
The price increases are not even completely reflecting the cumulative global average rate of inflation of the past years. Also, the biggest storage device I've ever owned in my entire career is 500 GB, and it's not even half-full.

What do people need all that storage for? (genuine question!)

An average multi track recording to be mixed can be anything from 1GB to 20.

Hmmm OK, so let's say you're using 5 instruments, the average song length is 3 minutes, and you use 10 takes per instrument, which you all keep forever (I think this is very generous?). That's 5 * 3 * 10 = 150 minutes of audio. At 44.1 kHz 16-bit, that's roughly 750 MB. So probably much closer to the lower end of your esimtate?

I must admit though that when I still did large multitrack audio projects, I burnt CDRs with them and then got them off the hard disk. But then again, back then the average hard disk was 40 GB, not 4000 😄

Yeah one of the reasons I want to get a large storage SSD is to not only store PSP and Decent Sampler sounds, but also have a place to send all my finished recordings to get them off my iPad.

Bruques

@SevenSystems said:

@Bruques said:

@SevenSystems said:
The price increases are not even completely reflecting the cumulative global average rate of inflation of the past years. Also, the biggest storage device I've ever owned in my entire career is 500 GB, and it's not even half-full.

What do people need all that storage for? (genuine question!)

An average multi track recording to be mixed can be anything from 1GB to 20.

Hmmm OK, so let's say you're using 5 instruments, the average song length is 3 minutes, and you use 10 takes per instrument, which you all keep forever (I think this is very generous?). That's 5 * 3 * 10 = 150 minutes of audio. At 44.1 kHz 16-bit, that's roughly 750 MB. So probably much closer to the lower end of your esimtate?

I must admit though that when I still did large multitrack audio projects, I burnt CDRs with them and then got them off the hard disk. But then again, back then the average hard disk was 40 GB, not 4000 😄

Why would YOU say that I'M using 5 instruments?????

You do realize there is a vast world of music production out there with multitrack projects that have 20, 30, 40 or more tracks to them.

So no. My estimate is real world lived experience as a professional producer having made dozens of records for both indies and majors. 2Gb is a small project.

5 instruments is rare as hens teeth,.

SevenSystems

@Bruques said:

@SevenSystems said:

@Bruques said:

@SevenSystems said:
The price increases are not even completely reflecting the cumulative global average rate of inflation of the past years. Also, the biggest storage device I've ever owned in my entire career is 500 GB, and it's not even half-full.

What do people need all that storage for? (genuine question!)

An average multi track recording to be mixed can be anything from 1GB to 20.

Hmmm OK, so let's say you're using 5 instruments, the average song length is 3 minutes, and you use 10 takes per instrument, which you all keep forever (I think this is very generous?). That's 5 * 3 * 10 = 150 minutes of audio. At 44.1 kHz 16-bit, that's roughly 750 MB. So probably much closer to the lower end of your esimtate?

I must admit though that when I still did large multitrack audio projects, I burnt CDRs with them and then got them off the hard disk. But then again, back then the average hard disk was 40 GB, not 4000 😄

Why would YOU say that I'M using 5 instruments?????

You do realize there is a vast world of music production out there with multitrack projects that have 20, 30, 40 or more tracks to them.

So no. My estimate is real world lived experience as a professional producer having made dozens of records for both indies and majors. 2Gb is a small project.

5 instruments is rare as hens teeth,.

No offense intended! The most I've ever done myself is 5 instruments, that's what the estimate was based on 😄 I'm mostly an EDM producer so... audio recording is the devil to me! (for most stuff I did / do, I actually only had singing / spoken words to record...)