Loopy Pro: Create music, your way.

What is Loopy Pro? — Loopy Pro is a powerful, flexible, and intuitive live looper, sampler, clip launcher and DAW for iPhone and iPad. At its core, it allows you to record and layer sounds in real-time to create complex musical arrangements. But it doesn’t stop there—Loopy Pro offers advanced tools to customize your workflow, build dynamic performance setups, and create a seamless connection between instruments, effects, and external gear.

Use it for live looping, sequencing, arranging, mixing, and much more. Whether you're a live performer, a producer, or just experimenting with sound, Loopy Pro helps you take control of your creative process.

Download on the App Store

Loopy Pro is your all-in-one musical toolkit. Try it for free today.

Do devs lose out on money if they accept a refund request? I had a crappy situation recently

2»

Comments

  • brambosbrambos
    edited November 2023

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    But not beer.

    Depends. Buy a beer in Norway and you're broke.

    I'm already broke but I can still afford beer in Germany or Poland.

    Yes, it differs massively per region.

    But generally, we suffer from very high VATs (21% where I live) on top of other taxes and prices that tend to be quite a bit higher than in the US.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    But not beer.

    Depends. Buy a beer in Norway and you're broke.

    I'm already broke but I can still afford beer in Germany or Poland.

    That stands to reason. In Germany beer is considered more like a food staple than a recreational beverage. 😉

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @wim said:

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    But not beer.

    Depends. Buy a beer in Norway and you're broke.

    I'm already broke but I can still afford beer in Germany or Poland.

    That stands to reason. In Germany beer is considered more like a food staple than a recreational beverage. 😉

    One of my dreams is to have a beer in Germany some day.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    @wim said:

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    But not beer.

    Depends. Buy a beer in Norway and you're broke.

    I'm already broke but I can still afford beer in Germany or Poland.

    That stands to reason. In Germany beer is considered more like a food staple than a recreational beverage. 😉

    One of my dreams is to have a beer in Germany some day.

    My first day visiting my company's office in Berlin I was surprised to be handed a liter bottle of strong and delicious German beer at precisely 2:00pm. It was explained to me that beer break was routine and protected by law. They could have been pulling my leg about the law, but the beer was there on my desk every single day. 😂

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @brambos said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @wim said:

    @israelite said:
    Move in to Europe. The law here guarantees refunds for 14 days after app purchase.

    And you will also get to pay more for every. single. app.

    Why would apps cost more, any proof of that?

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    Tax and Apples currency conversion, I asked for proof the policy of returning apps implements a surcharge for this.

  • brambosbrambos

    @knewspeak said:

    @brambos said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @wim said:

    @israelite said:
    Move in to Europe. The law here guarantees refunds for 14 days after app purchase.

    And you will also get to pay more for every. single. app.

    Why would apps cost more, any proof of that?

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    Tax and Apples currency conversion, I asked for proof the policy of returning apps implements a surcharge for this.

    Got it.

    Here it is:

    From the Paid Applications Schedule 2 (Available under "Agreements, Tax, and Banking" in iTunes Connect), 3.8 and 6.3:

    "Apple will have the right to retain its commission on the sale of that Licensed Application, notwithstanding the refund of the price to the End-User."

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @brambos said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @brambos said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @wim said:

    @israelite said:
    Move in to Europe. The law here guarantees refunds for 14 days after app purchase.

    And you will also get to pay more for every. single. app.

    Why would apps cost more, any proof of that?

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    Tax and Apples currency conversion, I asked for proof the policy of returning apps implements a surcharge for this.

    Got it.

    Here it is:

    From the Paid Applications Schedule 2 (Available under "Agreements, Tax, and Banking" in iTunes Connect), 3.8 and 6.3:

    "Apple will have the right to retain its commission on the sale of that Licensed Application, notwithstanding the refund of the price to the End-User."

    I think, Bram, he is asking about whether the EU refund policy is part of the reason for higher pricing of apps in the EU store vs the US prices, but the quote you supplied is about the - theoretical but seemingly not actually applied - right of Apple to retain their commission.

  • brambosbrambos

    @Gavinski said:

    @brambos said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @brambos said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @wim said:

    @israelite said:
    Move in to Europe. The law here guarantees refunds for 14 days after app purchase.

    And you will also get to pay more for every. single. app.

    Why would apps cost more, any proof of that?

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    Tax and Apples currency conversion, I asked for proof the policy of returning apps implements a surcharge for this.

    Got it.

    Here it is:

    From the Paid Applications Schedule 2 (Available under "Agreements, Tax, and Banking" in iTunes Connect), 3.8 and 6.3:

    "Apple will have the right to retain its commission on the sale of that Licensed Application, notwithstanding the refund of the price to the End-User."

    I think, Bram, he is asking about whether the EU refund policy is part of the reason for higher pricing of apps in the EU store vs the US prices, but the quote you supplied is about the - theoretical but seemingly not actually applied - right of Apple to retain their commission.

    No, I don't think the refund policy in itself is responsible for the higher pricing of apps. But there is a lot more consumer protection in general in the EU, so that probably accounts indirectly for a part of the higher prices we pay for stuff.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @wim said:

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    @kidslow said:

    @brambos said:

    Apps tend to cost ~20-30% more in many European countries than in the US. As do most other goods.

    But not beer.

    Depends. Buy a beer in Norway and you're broke.

    I'm already broke but I can still afford beer in Germany or Poland.

    That stands to reason. In Germany beer is considered more like a food staple than a recreational beverage. 😉

    One of my dreams is to have a beer in Germany some day.

    My first day visiting my company's office in Berlin I was surprised to be handed a liter bottle of strong and delicious German beer at precisely 2:00pm. It was explained to me that beer break was routine and protected by law. They could have been pulling my leg about the law, but the beer was there on my desk every single day. 😂

    😂 I’ve heard mention of things like this before and I love that. I think Italy has something similar. Maybe not with beer but a protected afternoon break. We need that stateside lol I bet that German beer is tasty 🍺

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    @knewspeak said:
    Tax and Apples currency conversion, I asked for proof the policy of returning apps implements a surcharge for this.

    That's not provable as Apple doesn't reveal details behind its pricing policies, and the return policy wouldn't be the sole driver of higher prices anyway. Higher return rates, cost of complying with regulations, higher corporate taxes, currency hedging and a lot of other factors contribute to higher regional costs of doing business. Companies don't just eat those costs. They pass them along in the form of higher prices.

    Don't take what I said to @israelite too literally. It was a generalization and a bit of a light hearted dig, that is all.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    @HotStrange said:
    😂 I’ve heard mention of things like this before and I love that. I think Italy has something similar. Maybe not with beer but a protected afternoon break. We need that stateside lol I bet that German beer is tasty 🍺

    I practically didn't drink beer at all for a couple of years when I returned to the US. It just wasn't the same.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    😂 I’ve heard mention of things like this before and I love that. I think Italy has something similar. Maybe not with beer but a protected afternoon break. We need that stateside lol I bet that German beer is tasty 🍺

    I literally didn't drink beer at all for a couple of years when I returned to the US. It just wasn't the same.

    Okay I would hate for coffee to be ruined for me lol. I don’t drink often and could live without it. Coffee though. It’s part of my DNA at this point lol.

    Is it bad that part of the main reason I want to travel more is to try coffee from around the world? 😂

  • brambosbrambos

    @HotStrange said:

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    😂 I’ve heard mention of things like this before and I love that. I think Italy has something similar. Maybe not with beer but a protected afternoon break. We need that stateside lol I bet that German beer is tasty 🍺

    I literally didn't drink beer at all for a couple of years when I returned to the US. It just wasn't the same.

    Okay I would hate for coffee to be ruined for me lol. I don’t drink often and could live without it. Coffee though. It’s part of my DNA at this point lol.

    Is it bad that part of the main reason I want to travel more is to try coffee from around the world? 😂

    Not at all. I'm also a huge coffee lover. Make sure you sample the Blue Mountain coffee if you ever make it to Jamaica. One of the best coffees I can remember.

  • mifkimifki

    @brambos said:

    • I have also never once had a notification from Apple when someone does and why (but perhaps that's a US thing, I'm in Europe?)

    There are some new (like 2 years old) notifications about IAP refunds and maybe some additional information about them in the new StoreKit API. But that's for IAPs only and I don't know much more as I don't use those APIs.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @brambos said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    😂 I’ve heard mention of things like this before and I love that. I think Italy has something similar. Maybe not with beer but a protected afternoon break. We need that stateside lol I bet that German beer is tasty 🍺

    I literally didn't drink beer at all for a couple of years when I returned to the US. It just wasn't the same.

    Okay I would hate for coffee to be ruined for me lol. I don’t drink often and could live without it. Coffee though. It’s part of my DNA at this point lol.

    Is it bad that part of the main reason I want to travel more is to try coffee from around the world? 😂

    Not at all. I'm also a huge coffee lover. Make sure you sample the Blue Mountain coffee if you ever make it to Jamaica. One of the best coffees I can remember.

    Will do. We’re thinking about taking a cruise there next year so if so, I’ll have to grab a cup :)

Sign In or Register to comment.

© Vanilla Keystone Theme 2024