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I know the Fabfilter stuff inside and out after years of use on desktop, so I trust them and can work quick like I prefer when mastering.
The fabfilter stuff is a lifesaver. Especially as a musician, I can get the results I want quickly so I can keep focusing on the creative side more
I’m interested if those using LP’s mastering assistant are applying it to the main project mix’s stereo out or if you are exporting a stereo mix and importing that into a new mastering project?
I'm doing the latter since, while I still can't seem to get on with Logic Pro as a creative tool, it's definitely now an essential piece of kit to my workflow for mastering. Tired of spending so much time trying to balance everything out, even on a single track. 😂 And the Mastering Assistant automatically brings the levels to -14 LuFS?! Bro! $5/month gets me the ability to instantly polish my tracks. That's f--king brilliant. ❤️
Thanks @Tarekith for your reply. Your answer is no surprise, I’ve been listening to your super clear results for years now happily.
Thanks. You’ve always steered my right with your recommendations. My new usb hub came in this evening so tomorrow I’m gonna offload my GM sounds to free up space, then I’ll probably resub to Logic and give it a shot. I have a project I’m going to release this month so it’s great timing.
Hi. I’m trying LP4’s on a track for the first time and I really like what it’s doing. Specially for the Eq, it makes the track clearer without changing the character, just does nice things to it.
I’ve got a question about the mastering chain when using Mastering Assistant. Do you need a compressor or is it included?. I’m guessing the “dynamics” includes a compressor with settings for mastering, but it could also be just for the limiter.
People using Mastering Assistant. Are you placing a compressor before it?.
I did try placing a satutaror like ReelBus but my track is dirty enough already, don’t see the need for it on this occasion.
I've tried with and without limiters before the Mastering, with and without compressors before the Mastering... and the results will vary. My advice is to run some experiments on it yourself, but the Mastering Assistant always goes last in the chain. Just make sure your levels are where you need them before you final the project. Even if things sound right to your ear before you master, you might have to do some additional level adjustments afterward or adjust your stereo field placement, then rescan the project with the Mastering Assistant. It's fun! Play around with it.
I think you'll like it. Every time I use it I learn a little something else about how I can improve my mix before I click on the Mastering Assistant.
Maybe I’m not as experienced as @Tarekith and @Fingolfinzz, but I can confirm that the magic surrounding FabFilter almost made me regret my iZotope Ozone purchase. The more you use those tools, the more you discover them, because it’s about methods and experience, not tools alone. They are like the surgeon's tools: sharp, quick, and straight to the point. And also still musically and visually friendly.
I need more testing for Logic Mastering Assistant, and I hope it will not be the last nail in the coffin for Ozone.
Personally I do add some relatively gentle bus compression on the Master Channel before Mastering Assistant. I think Mastering Assistant is doing limiting and volume equalisation, not bus compression (which serves a different purpose).
I suspect that anyone just getting in to using whatever tools for mastering purposes would also gain a lot from a little reading.
I would suggest
Bob Katz Mastering Audio 3rd Edition
Bobby Owsinski Mastering Engineer's Handbook 4th Edition
Oh, and if anyone is thinking of pressing vinyl, in this very weird time where no one bothers to attend lacquer cutting sessions anymore, which is the actual mastering mastering, IE this is the master disk, but no one ever checks these any more (very bizarre if you ask me), you might want to add TDR Simulathe (sorry,, desktop!!)
https://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-simulathe-ref/
(the full one is probably too featured for most of us, ref is probably enough)
https://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-simulathe-cut/
Or if you prefer watching rather than reading, this is the course I followed. There are six videos in all
Nope, I have MB in case I need it, but it’s pretty rare these days that I need it. The vast majority of my mastering work is done on the desktop too though, where I would be more likely to reach for TDR’s Kotelnikov GE for any expansion work.
The 2 seasons of Are You Listening? On YouTube should be required watching for anyone interested in mastering.
I also very much rate and turn to TDR, DMG, etc. Empirical usefulness rather than "magic"
That’s exactly my question and I haven’t found a detailed explanation about what s happening in the Mastering Assistant chain. Of course I could and should “use my ears” but in this case it’s hard to do. It’s not as simple as having a mastering with, say, an Eq, bus compressor and Logic’s Mastering assistant and turning things on/off to test the difference. Because the analysis will be done with the bus comp on or off and that will determine the results.
I guess you’d have to do analysis and export with and without… and even then it’d be hard to tell what’s what. You should probably try to make it sound as good as you can before the M.A, apply Eq, compression, whatever and then analyse and see what comes out.
Anyway, I’m sold with the mastering assistant, it’s subtle enough yet noticeable. Pretty sure it does a better job than I would. It’d be even better if it provided more details about what it’s doing to the track, as it does with the Eq, it’d be a great learning tool.
I haven’t tried logic’s yet, but I just tried Klevgrand on an old track and I love it. (Logic needs an update )
Klevgrand Grand finale* + Brusfri and TB Barricade + TB EQ
*what different between gf and gf2
If I was going to master using ONLY Toneboosters apps, which ones would be most essential ? Obviously Barricade , but what else?
Eq, reelbus, compressor or multiband compressor.Morphis to correct your headphones. Free spectrogram.
Definitely Reelbus since Barricade has a built-in compressor already. Morphit for headphone correction. (Or if you have the budget, get all of the Toneboosters plugins.
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Or just send whatever you need mastered to me. I can run your EP through Mastering Assistant. No charge required. 😂
Yeah I probably need EQ , just dawned on me.
How useful is ReelBus? I thought it was just like a wow and flutter tape effect type vibe
I was using Toneboosters' MBC on everything until I got Logic Pro. It's worth a good looking into.
https://www.toneboosters.com/tb_mbc_v1.html
One thing I learned from using Trinity, thanks to the immediate reference track cue, is that I was doing too much to my masters prior to using Trinity. It helps that I use Morphit while mixing too.
I’d like to try the one in Logic, but I have no iPad new enough.
@HotStrange , regarding Bandlab, is it possible to utilize their AI mastering service without publishing your track through them and avoid participating with their community altogether?
Yep! All you do is import, chose an algorithm (they make it super easy to compare to the original) and then export to whoever you please. Quick and painless. And sounds pretty good honestly.
Barricade and EQ for me.
The EQ is my "hidden gem" for mastering because of its dynamic band processing capabilities that can do magic on some critical material.
And I always recommend listening to your music on various "bad speakers" to make the song work everywhere.
Mastering require first to listen a lot of music and train your ears, you can’t buy that…. There are no magic apps or tools but not only one but you need various type of eq and to know them perfectly so I repeat not only a classic type of EQ. So before learn about EQ and learn about compressors.
To tell the true if you do a very good balanced mix that don’t need mastering it is the most wonderful solution, try to not do mastering at all just a good mixing. If your mix is good Spotify and Co will not change anything.
Your can say my mix is ok only if you can have the same pleasure hearing your creation with cheap headphones made in China, in yiur car and with the on your IPad and IPhone speakers.
From years all I have done as good mixes on high end SSL big consol or cheap ipad if the mix was good never need a mastering or my mix was not so good or you got requirements from a label to win the loudness war so a mastering engineer will be paid for that. He got Pultec , Faishild …analog at 10k usd or 20 k usd to justify it can improve something. He will improve the dynamics and make it more punchy and loud that’s all.
Some of the best Mastering engineers, some are friends, will tell you as I write that it is the true. They just do a little and most of they time with artist is just to give useful advice to improve first the mix and be their psychological support , in my time it was the role of an artistic director , the old here know what I mean
If I were you don’t buy any apps for mastering or compressor EQ for mastering do the best mix possible with what you have.
Thanks for bringing that up RS
Can you explain a little more on how the dynamic band processing “works” for you or at least how you have found a context in which it helped? If you found or used a reference material or YT that’s cool too, but I just wanted to know “how” or when really to use it