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Utility
Merge Voice Memos is free usually $2.99
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/merge-voice-memos/id6476123178
This Hornet H76 Compressor Limiter IAP giveaway over on my Twitter might interest some of you:
https://x.com/gavinski_s/status/1843986150257553897
Productivity
Form Memos is new and free will be $1.99 - create templates for your notes/memos
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/form-memos/id6670529605
Listening
Akwaaba Radio is free usually $.99
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/akwaaba-radio/id710357719
Productivity
PDF Scanner & Docs Organizer is free usually $49.99
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Writing
NoteWrap Writers Notebook is $3 off at $6.99
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Is it only on twitter?
Public one is only on twitter and there is a much larger one on my Patreon, none on other platforms this time
https://www.patreon.com/posts/4-free-iaps-for-113668687
Sorry, you are completely wrong about that. I explicitly agreed this with the dev in advance. It is not exploitative. I spend a lot of time and skill making posts on various platforms for an extemely tiny reward from YouTube. It doesn't make any sense for me to do the work I do without getting more direct Patreon support and devs understand that. Codes for giveaways cost a dev nothing. Every single time I do my giveaways everything about exactly how many codes there will be and which platforms the codes will go to is agreed with the dev.
The YouTubers in this scene are giving a huge amount to the community for far less than minimum wages rewards. Devs and viewers benefit more from our labour than we benefit from any aspect of this entire setup.
@TheAlgorithm said:
iOS YouTubers have their own skillset and do a lot of their own hard work. I am very transparent on my own channel about the meagre rewards and people like Doug have had to make videos begging viewers with tears in their eyes for financial support. Apple dropping the affiliate program in 2017 caused lots of YouTubers to leave this space. Are you trying to provoke more into leaving? You might not appreciate the work involved, but luckily many devs and viewers do.
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The developer gets their app showcased in front of a small, but "prepared to spend money" audience - the perfect target market for actually buying their app (as opposed to freeloaders who want something for nothing). One or two will win a code but hundreds or more won't and they might buy the app.
As for your comment that iOS YouTubers "are simply showing the developers hard work", I think there is more to it than that. Many of the newer apps are very complex and require a lot of time to learn. The YouTubers go through all that hard learning work so we don't have to.
A few of the recent apps by 4Pockets, Igor and many others have been packed with features and very complicated - they would have taken a lot of effort to learn and understand. I remember when "Beat Cutter" came out - even when watching various YouTubers demo it my brain had a melt down at how tricky it was. I still don't understand it...
I have no interest in continuing this with you. You've already shown in this thread an unwillingness to take in properly the arguments I make. Each time you respond you ignore most of my points and move the goalposts. This strategy is very familiar. If I'm not mistaken we have had a variation of this discussion already on Instagram and I don't want to waste my time in that way again. You are very sure of your opinions but you are also not at all informed about the level of work involved from the YouTuber side.
@Simon yes, Beatcuttter - it took me about a week of full time work - testing and learning and making that vid on Beatcutter. It was tough work, the manual was terribly convoluted, even more so than the release version. There is also a lot of behind the scenes work people are never aware of. To take just one example, I spend many hours a month testing and learning apps that I might make vids on but decide not to. There's also a lot of admin and correspondence. Anyway, over and out.
Sorry, I have other things to do, this conversation has already taken too much of my morning. Feel free to reflect on it yourself for a while.
Some Music IAPs on sale
Some Miscellaneous Free iaps
@Gavinski imo no need to even defend yourself buddy. I know when comments are made that are not an accurate depiction of the situation it’s hard to let them slide. Most of us know the deal, understand the situation and respect your work.
Please feel free to share your hard work in this thread whenever you want buddy. Stay Up mate.
You the man @Poppadocrock - I concur with your statement.
Thanks @Poppadocrock and @offbrands, I appreciate it. It seems @TheAlgorithm was banned and that thread has disappeared. This seems like a good place to mention that I had absolutely nothing to do with that banning, did not complain about this user and am surprised they were banned and the thread closed. Dealing with that thread and defending myself etc was stressful and unpleasant, I didn't see any particularly ban-worthy behaviour though.
It is a pity that entire saga ended up derailing my day, as I was planning to make a video and this stopped that happening. The next few days I have other commitments so now that video will maybe never happen. Maybe I should just not have engaged from the beginning, but it would have annoyed me more not to engage than it annoyed me to actually engage. It is also another example of the kind of 'work', sometimes unpleasant work and also unpaid, that can be involved in doing what I do. Extremely tiring and depressing at times to have to deal with this kind of stuff.
@Gavinski It didn’t even enter my head that you’d ask for that. The nature of the thread, how it was created and how the creator responded to posts was always getting it pulled. Which is sad because if discussed in good faith, it could have been a great discussion.
FWIW I thought you handled that exceptionally and are to be applauded for your forthrightness and honesty.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think your time today was a complete waste either although I sympathise that your plans got derailed. In fact I found what you and others had to say very interesting. Try to enjoy the rest of your evening.
Alot of us Dig what you do man!
I think the dude was just jaded he can’t win free apps if they are on your patreon 🤣
Nothing wrong with how you do things, and your videos are great my brother!
Dude had too much time on his hands to argue over iOS app YouTube channels lol
Thank you, very good to hear and I do actually agree with you that that was in many ways a discussion worth having, even if the OP's motivations were, at least initially, somewhat hard to perceive as benevolent. I felt the OP was also getting more reasonable as the thread went along. The main waste is that the thread vanished entirely after myself and others dedicated hours to thrashing things out - mostly reasonably civilly - there.
This is my perspective: So many youtubers have disappeared from this space in recent years due to the problems discussed in that thread regarding getting compensated properly after the scrapping of the Apple affiliate program in 2017. Unless people like myself open up about the amount of work involved and how meagre YouTube revenue in small niches actually is, there will definitely not be enough financial support from devs and viewers, and the number of YouTubers will continue to decline. Further disappearance of YouTubers will be a big loss for both devs and buyers and will make it harder for the scene to grow.
Although it is uncomfortable for me to speak about the brutal financial realities and it is uncomfortable for devs and viewers to hear, it's a discussion that needs to be had - preferably with all participants engaging in good faith - for the health of this ecosystem.
@Gavinski When I watch one of your videos the first thing that crosses my mind is to wonder how long it takes you to learn the app well enough to do the video. Personally, I think there was an assumption about the value to the developer of a limited patreon audience. There was really no basis to make any statement about that.
Thank you ♥. Yes, as I mentioned in that thread, with complex apps it's easy to half learn them. The hard and time-consuming part is involved in going the extra mile needed to understand everything thoroughly.
Then there is a certain amount of extra work in getting 'fluent enough' in the app to a) use it properly b) use it musically c) speak about it fluently and coherently enough. All, often, while working under immense time pressure.
It was depressing to see the OP appear not to understand or appreciate the amount of work and skill involved. And to see him fail to grasp that people have different needs and preferences and that that's OK and normal. He felt my vids were too focused on the obvious, but some other viewers think they're too advanced for them. It's impossible - and even undesirable - to please everyone. Some people love my vids some dislike them or me. That's fine, but they don't need to tell me that. They can just go watch the people they like.
Regarding Patreon etc and giveaways, yes, that OP seemed to miss various valid points made regarding all that by myself and people like espiegel. Most devs are happy to support our Patreon efforts, as they should be.
Thanks again for chipping in.
The threads OP was using AI for their responses, most of the time if not all. Didn’t start out engaging in the best of faith. Just very crass all around. First impressions as the saying goes.
I don’t know what their end goal was but I’m curious, as from a spectator perspective it seemingly was just to speak down on every iOS Youtube creator who didn’t make videos to their very specific style of content they enjoyed.
They mentioned they fast forward through a video until it gets interesting:.. uhhh how do you know the parts your skipping past aren’t relevant?
I half wondered if they are more likely just training their AI prompts. Perhaps a bot they may be working on or a product they’re eventually going to push down the line.
I mean even the name “TheAlgoritim” sounds like a members only masterclass for a $97/month sub for some YouTube masterclass with a one-page click funnel site where you have 12(!!!) minutes to join the very real live stream taking place at this moment. It’s littered with AI generated art of YouTubers and has several testimonials from who knows where and the next time you get on the site the timer resets and somehow they are about to have a live stream ... again! What are the odds! Must be fate!! /s
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was headed toward shilling something through a negging sales tactic.
Apologies I’ve gone full Charlie from its always sunny
Lol. I don't think they were using AI for most responses, my impression was that the AI was just used for summarising the discussion in this thread. I agree when you say "from a spectator perspective it seemingly was just to speak down on every iOS Youtube creator who didn’t make videos to their very specific style of content they enjoyed". This is a problem with social media. Some people need to learn that just because they can express an opinion, and want to express that opinion, doesn't mean they should express that opinion.
Particularly when we get little reward from doing this, we want to at least do it in our own way, a way we enjoy and which reflects our own preferences and personality. If someone doesn't like it, fine, they can watch whoever they do like. I personally have little interest in watching most music production YouTube. So I mainly don't watch. I don't go round telling YouTubers why I don't watch them and elaborating on the ways they should change so that I'll start enjoying their content. That would be arrogant and ridiculous. But I and other YouTubers sometimes have to deal with such "feedback". People can give constructive criticism, particularly if they already have some relationship with the person they're criticising. But criticism from a stranger that basically boils down to 'I don't like your style' is very close to saying 'I don't like you', and is usually inappropriate.
Maybe you’re right! The responses didn’t seem to have a ton of punctuation issues if any and the responses and cadence just felt .. cold. Tinny. Like an AI.
It’s wild people will just share whatever opinion right away.
My therapist shared with me, “your thoughts are safe, I promise” - I wish more people followed that life lesson. Not everything is even worthy of being said at first thought. Even the best writers have to rewrite and get notes from their editors.
🎯 - 100%
Constructive criticism should be one of the hardest dynamics of conversation to have with a colleague, a friend, a family member, a contemporary. To be kind firstly and lastly. Giving constructive criticism to a complete random often doesn’t translate well.
I often read comments that are negative sounding aloud exaggerating their cadence and remind myself that if it were an in person type of situation they would NEVER talk like this.
Then I find solace in that 90% of people who enjoy something, or dislike something, will never say anything about it.
So that leads to negative comments feeling heavier, for me at least. A lot of anon users who frequently give negative comments are from actual kids.
Best to take a step back and be mindful that they’re being negative for the sake of being negative. Looking for that rise.
Alright sorry @Poppadocrock - last OT message from me!
.. today 😅
TheAlgorithm joined on Oct 7 and had made about 10 posts - every single one was an anti-iOS YouTuber rant.
And every reply he made to me was designed to start an argument and inflame the situation.
It is good that the mods removed him - it shows others who might be tempted to follow his playbook that this kind of behaviour is not ok on the Forum.
How about those deals, eh?
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This.