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  • @espiegel123 said:

    @Gilbert said:

    @richardyot said:

    @Gilbert said:
    For a drum module with high-quality multi-velocity and round-robin samples and NO SEQUENCING:
    is not Audio layer, mentioned above, what you are looking for?

    Audiolayer can do it, but you have to build the kits yourself. This is a lot of work. 😀

    What I would love to see is an AUv3 drum module with the high-quality samples you have in DPP. Load the plugin, and program the drums on the timeline of the DAW. I don't need the sequencing, I just need the great samples.

    @richardyot said:
    @Gilbert I would just add that the notion of using DPP as a drum module in 2024 isn't really viable. I use Logic as my host and DPP is not compatible with Logic as a sound module, being IAA.

    I bought DPP and many of the IAPs years ago, it's a great app with lots of options, and I am happy to have supported it as a customer, but it simply isn't compatible with modern workflows.

    I would happily pay for a new app that worked seamlessly in Logic. An AUv3 drum module might be one way for that to happen.

    No need ( to pay ) for a new app: you already have it.
    1- Make an empty song with the kit of your choice ( name it after your kit ) in DPP.
    2- It will appear as a preset in Logic after you load the auv3 ( DPplayer ). Load this preset.
    3- Build your midi drum track. It will play the kit of the preset.

    You can make as many empty song/presets as drum kits you wish to have.

    I had no idea that the AUv3 would respond to incoming MIDI. I guess I wasn’t the only one.

    This is great news.

    What the hell! Imma try that

  • Are the Halion drum kits multi layers ?

  • @Gilbert said:

    @richardyot said:

    @Gilbert said:
    For a drum module with high-quality multi-velocity and round-robin samples and NO SEQUENCING:
    is not Audio layer, mentioned above, what you are looking for?

    Audiolayer can do it, but you have to build the kits yourself. This is a lot of work. 😀

    What I would love to see is an AUv3 drum module with the high-quality samples you have in DPP. Load the plugin, and program the drums on the timeline of the DAW. I don't need the sequencing, I just need the great samples.

    @richardyot said:
    @Gilbert I would just add that the notion of using DPP as a drum module in 2024 isn't really viable. I use Logic as my host and DPP is not compatible with Logic as a sound module, being IAA.

    I bought DPP and many of the IAPs years ago, it's a great app with lots of options, and I am happy to have supported it as a customer, but it simply isn't compatible with modern workflows.

    I would happily pay for a new app that worked seamlessly in Logic. An AUv3 drum module might be one way for that to happen.

    No need ( to pay ) for a new app: you already have it.
    1- Make an empty song with the kit of your choice ( name it after your kit ) in DPP.
    2- It will appear as a preset in Logic after you load the auv3 ( DPplayer ). Load this preset.
    3- Build your midi drum track. It will play the kit of the preset.

    You can make as many empty song/presets as drum kits you wish to have.

    I just tried this but I couldn't get it to work. I tried several presets, including one made specifically for this test, but none of them would respond to the Logic keyboard or drum pads.

    But even if this could work, it's not something I would want to use. You have to open DPP as a separate app and save an empty song with the kit you want to use, and when you load the DPP player it has no UI. Ideally you want an AUv3 with a decent UI where you can browse and tweak kits etc...

    I still think there is an opportunity there for one of the devs creating drum apps (Luis Martinez, Sonosaurus, Gilbert) to create a simple drum module AUv3 in the style of Klevgrand Slammer, but with good acoustic drum samples.

    It could even come with a store for different kits as IAPs, and presumably this would be easier to create than more full-featured apps with sequencers and probability engines etc...

    One day it will happen, and I will gladly buy it. :)

  • @Gilbert : if i load a song either empty or full in the AUv3, I am finding that midi notes aren't triggering any sounds. I was using Loopy Pro. Sending the same midi to the standalone app's virtual midi port worked. Can you post a demonstration video of the AUv3 responding to notes sent to it?

  • edited January 2024

    +1 for DPP AU sample player with a simplified UI without sequencer. I too struggle to use it with it’s current AU offerings. DPP sounds really great, the best, but I struggle to use it, and I’ve got a fair amount of experience with creative applications.

  • @richardyot
    My ios wishes are the same.A drum app, that provides pro drumsounds out of the box.
    I don‘t have the time to fill a sampleplayer with drumsounds from Drumdrops et c. and configure the whole stuff. I would pay a lot for an app, thats on par with the desktop ones!

  • @Franketti said:
    @richardyot
    My ios wishes are the same.A drum app, that provides pro drumsounds out of the box.
    I don‘t have the time to fill a sampleplayer with drumsounds from Drumdrops et c. and configure the whole stuff. I would pay a lot for an app, thats on par with the desktop ones!

    Try GarageBand and Logic Pro. Both have great built-in drums. :)

  • @Gilbert // I can't get what you say should work either, sending midi to the player. Never heard of it either and it's a big thing so that's kind of weird. Using the GM demo (extremely loud in the main app by the way) and Octachron using it's GM mapping. Nada!

    The sounds in DPP are just awesome but beside the AUV3 issue it's also very complicated (maybe I'm stupid but I manage other apps so I can't be a total idiot) to build your own stuff from scratch and I've never managed to get into it and now it's been a while and I totally forgot how one did it. If it were more user friendly I would use nothing else, that's how good it sounds.

  • @Gilbert said:

    @looperboy said:
    Are there any good acoustic drum apps where you can tune the drums, adjust the level of snare vs rim etc?

    Yes: DrumPerfect Pro

    • tune the drums: yes
    • adjust instruments levels, pan and FX: yes
    • adjust individual samples level, envelope and FX: yes
    • round robin and mix ( layers ) samples: yes
    • easy import user's samples: yes
    • auv3: yes ( as a free advanced player )
    • multi out as Auv3: yes
    • velocity layers: yes ( up to 2x8 per instrument )
    • auto rename samples: yes
    • ...

    plus a wide range of controls making it one of the most flexible professional acoustic drum app on iOS.

    About realism: ( listen ) https://soundcloud.com/user-45973677

    ![](https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/r9/

    It looks promising. Is it possible to balance snare vs rim volumes in the rimshots?

  • @looperboy said:
    It looks promising. Is it possible to balance snare vs rim volumes in the rimshots?

    Yes.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    @Gilbert : if i load a song either empty or full in the AUv3, I am finding that midi notes aren't triggering any sounds. I was using Loopy Pro. Sending the same midi to the standalone app's virtual midi port worked. Can you post a demonstration video of the AUv3 responding to notes sent to it?

    This ⬆️ Please!

  • Maybe I’m missing something but why don’t you guys use LP drummer for acoustic drums? I use it practically always on iPad and Mac. The drummer sequencer capabilities are awesome and make the end result very realistic
    The sounds are excellent too but you can also use external sound kits with the latest LP4I update.
    In fact it’s the very reason why I moved from Cubase to Logic Pro

  • I forgot to say that Logic drummer can be mapped into multi output and you can tweak each output channel at will. For instance adding an effective chain compressor into the kick from the bass track or EQ the toms to a different sound is a breeze

  • edited January 2024

    @Spinoza said:
    Maybe I’m missing something but why don’t you guys use LP drummer for acoustic drums? I use it practically always on iPad and Mac. The drummer sequencer capabilities are awesome and make the end result very realistic
    The sounds are excellent too but you can also use external sound kits with the latest LP4I update.
    In fact it’s the very reason why I moved from Cubase to Logic Pro

    I agree and that is what I use all the time now - either the drummer or the LP kits with my own programming, depending on the song. It would still be nice to have additional options though.

  • @Spinoza said:
    Maybe I’m missing something but why don’t you guys use LP drummer for acoustic drums? I use it practically always on iPad and Mac. The drummer sequencer capabilities are awesome and make the end result very realistic
    The sounds are excellent too but you can also use external sound kits with the latest LP4I update.
    In fact it’s the very reason why I moved from Cubase to Logic Pro

    One might not have a device that end Logic Pro.

    One might have a preferred host that isn’t Logic Pro.

  • @Gilbert I was unable to replicate your method in either Logic or AUM. No MIDI source triggered any sound, when loading the player with any song. I also observe that the player looks a little different than you show here. Those transport controls to the left of the Master Level don’t appear, nor does the AutoJam button. Is there something that has to be specified when creating and saving the song, for the player to show these?

  • I really don't understand how one can use DDP 🤔... I've got the app since a very (very) long time and I struggled trying to make even a simple beat/song in it but always ended up with a minstrous headhache 😅🫣!
    This app REALLY lacks a CLEAR user guide ; it's a real pity not to have one because DDP surely could have been the best drum app on iOS 🤷‍♂️.

  • @garden said:
    @Gilbert I was unable to replicate your method in either Logic or AUM. No MIDI source triggered any sound, when loading the player with any song. I also observe that the player looks a little different than you show here. Those transport controls to the left of the Master Level don’t appear, nor does the AutoJam button. Is there something that has to be specified when creating and saving the song, for the player to show these?

    I understand. It's why on the demand of few of you I am now making a detailed video. Once you know, it's very easy.
    About the version on the photo, it's the latest before update, with many new features, including auto-jam with professional fills.

  • @Gilbert said:

    @garden said:
    @Gilbert I was unable to replicate your method in either Logic or AUM. No MIDI source triggered any sound, when loading the player with any song. I also observe that the player looks a little different than you show here. Those transport controls to the left of the Master Level don’t appear, nor does the AutoJam button. Is there something that has to be specified when creating and saving the song, for the player to show these?

    I understand. It's why on the demand of few of you I am now making a detailed video. Once you know, it's very easy.
    About the version on the photo, it's the latest before update, with many new features, including auto-jam with professional fills.

    I look forward to the video demonstration as I tried several variations of what you described without success.

  • @Gratouilli said:
    I really don't understand how one can use DDP 🤔... I've got the app since a very (very) long time and I struggled trying to make even a simple beat/song in it but always ended up with a minstrous headhache 😅🫣!
    This app REALLY lacks a CLEAR user guide ; it's a real pity not to have one because DDP surely could have been the best drum app on iOS 🤷‍♂️.

    Sorry for the headaches ;-) I think I had some too...
    People cannot imagine the depth and creative possibilities of this app.
    But we are still listening to users.
    However expanding the app with new features, producing pro content and creating tutorials is time consuming as you can imagine. And updates have always been free.
    DPP is definitely not for the faint of heart, I agree...

  • @Gilbert said:

    @Gratouilli said:
    I really don't understand how one can use DDP 🤔... I've got the app since a very (very) long time and I struggled trying to make even a simple beat/song in it but always ended up with a minstrous headhache 😅🫣!
    This app REALLY lacks a CLEAR user guide ; it's a real pity not to have one because DDP surely could have been the best drum app on iOS 🤷‍♂️.

    Sorry for the headaches ;-) I think I had some too...
    People cannot imagine the depth and creative possibilities of this app.
    But we are still listening to users.
    However expanding the app with new features, producing pro content and creating tutorials is time consuming as you can imagine. And updates have always been free.
    DPP is definitely not for the faint of heart, I agree...

    I'm sure LOT of work has been made in DDP, and I'm "angry" with myself not to be able or clever enough to use it, because I believe what you say and I can "feel" the incredible potential of DDP!
    I'm definitely looking forward to tutorials 🤞🏻 and thank you in advance for this 🤗😎.

  • @Gilbert said:

    I understand. It's why on the demand of few of you I am now making a detailed video. Once you know, it's very easy.
    About the version on the photo, it's the latest before update, with many new features, including auto-jam with professional fills.

    Ah. This would be very helpful, thank you.

  • @Spinoza said:
    Maybe I’m missing something but why don’t you guys use LP drummer for acoustic drums? I use it practically always on iPad and Mac. The drummer sequencer capabilities are awesome and make the end result very realistic
    The sounds are excellent too but you can also use external sound kits with the latest LP4I update.
    In fact it’s the very reason why I moved from Cubase to Logic Pro

    I think it boils down to a handful of things 1) not having a device that runs Logic 2) using a preferred host that isn’t Logic or 3) wanting more sculpting over the actual sound of the drums (tuning the toms and snares, etc).

    There was a poll recently and a good bit less than half were actually using Logic on the iPad.

  • edited January 2024

    Hi,
    Waiting for the detailed video for DPP.
    Just to say that in beat maker 3 I can't see presents in the au3 ana in audio bus I see the presets but could not make midi sent to au3 make sound no mater the midi channel or transposition.

    @Gilbert...when hitting the complete button in the kits page, does that use iPad storage?
    I really like DPP...as a drum machine, there is no match on iOS. As a sound module its also great, but just missing a cpl of featyres...IMHO. Just the way complete works is totally unique and borderline genius. The results are very natural.

    The only bug I get once in awhile, is the Left/Right velocity thing just right of the sample names dissapper. If I either restart the app or hit the complete button they come back.

  • Gladstone in Korg Gadget is by far my favorite … best I’ve found, imho

  • @ambrosiajam said:
    Gladstone in Korg Gadget is by far my favorite … best I’ve found, imho

    Does it allow individual balancing of the volume in a rimshot, between the volume of the rim and the volume of the snare head?

  • @looperboy said:

    @ambrosiajam said:
    Gladstone in Korg Gadget is by far my favorite … best I’ve found, imho

    Does it allow individual balancing of the volume in a rimshot, between the volume of the rim and the volume of the snare head?

    You know, Logic Pro on iPadOS would do everything you’re looking for and you just might want to trial it instead.

  • @looperboy said:

    @ambrosiajam said:
    Gladstone in Korg Gadget is by far my favorite … best I’ve found, imho

    Does it allow individual balancing of the volume in a rimshot, between the volume of the rim and the volume of the snare head?

    Yes.
    They're played by different notes, and you can control the volume of each separately.
    I can't think of any drum app that doesn't allow what you're asking. Can you give an example of one that doesn't? I'm curious.

  • @wim said:

    @looperboy said:

    @ambrosiajam said:
    Gladstone in Korg Gadget is by far my favorite … best I’ve found, imho

    Does it allow individual balancing of the volume in a rimshot, between the volume of the rim and the volume of the snare head?

    Yes.
    They're played by different notes, and you can control the volume of each separately.
    I can't think of any drum app that doesn't allow what you're asking. Can you give an example of one that doesn't? I'm curious.

    Just to jump in here, GarageBand doesn't allow that kind of fine-grained adjustment on the Snare, as part of a kit. Logic Pro does.

  • @NeuM said:

    @wim said:

    @looperboy said:

    @ambrosiajam said:
    Gladstone in Korg Gadget is by far my favorite … best I’ve found, imho

    Does it allow individual balancing of the volume in a rimshot, between the volume of the rim and the volume of the snare head?

    Yes.
    They're played by different notes, and you can control the volume of each separately.
    I can't think of any drum app that doesn't allow what you're asking. Can you give an example of one that doesn't? I'm curious.

    Just to jump in here, GarageBand doesn't allow that kind of fine-grained adjustment on the Snare, as part of a kit. Logic Pro does.

    Thanks for the clarification. I was referring to drum apps specifically and didn't think about GarageBand.

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