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Which iPad are you buying? M4 iPad Pro or 13 AIR?

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  • 9 cores instead of 10.

  • Tempted to get a 13” air to replace my iPad Pro 12.9 3rd gen. I suspect that extra ram might help with auv3s in Logic Pro unless it’s just a software limit.

  • qqqqqq
    edited May 10

    @matdun25848834 said:
    Tempted to get a 13” air to replace my iPad Pro 12.9 3rd gen. I suspect that extra ram might help with auv3s in Logic Pro unless it’s just a software limit.

    My understanding is that ram almost certainly isn't your limiting factor for AUv3s, unless you are using a ton of samplers with large samples.

    Though I guess with Logic being multithreaded if you loaded like 50 AUv3s you might become ram-bound. I wish this was easier to measure.

    I chose the base model 11" Pro because I figured in another few years 16gb might become the norm and I could just buy a new iPad then when I maybe have issues. I know my issues in Drambo are CPU based.

  • edited May 10

    @qqq said:

    @matdun25848834 said:
    Tempted to get a 13” air to replace my iPad Pro 12.9 3rd gen. I suspect that extra ram might help with auv3s in Logic Pro unless it’s just a software limit.

    My understanding is that ram almost certainly isn't your limiting factor for AUv3s, unless you are using a ton of samplers with large samples.

    Thanks

    If I use in total around 8 king of digital/iM1 patches in Logic Pro, then my current iPad can get a bit huffy and starts asking me to freeze tracks, even if I close other apps.

  • qqqqqq
    edited May 10

    @matdun25848834 said:

    @qqq said:

    @matdun25848834 said:
    Tempted to get a 13” air to replace my iPad Pro 12.9 3rd gen. I suspect that extra ram might help with auv3s in Logic Pro unless it’s just a software limit.

    My understanding is that ram almost certainly isn't your limiting factor for AUv3s, unless you are using a ton of samplers with large samples.

    Thanks

    If I use in total around 8 king of digital/iM1 patches in Logic Pro, then my current iPad can get a bit huffy and starts asking me to freeze tracks, even if I close other apps.

    Oh yea, the 3rd gen 12.9 is pretty weak CPU wise. I don't quite understand how well Logic Pro takes advantage of multiple cores, but my guess is you are still heavily CPU bound. Though I think you also only have 4GB ram so that could be a problem?

    I'd love to hear other thoughts.

    Edit: Do you know what buffer ("latency") and sample rate you are using?

  • @cyberheater said:
    I’ve got an iPad Pro M1 and I keep thinking about buying an old 12.9 2nd gen iPad Pro just for the headphone jack.

    I’ve got one of those I would swap ;)

  • @Simon said:
    Would Steve have approved this ad...?

    Wow. I'd read about the ad, but just watched it for the first time. It is, as others have noted, incredibly, stupefyingly tone-deaf. It makes me very uncomfortable to watch it. Honestly anyone who green-lighted that needs to spend some time doing self-reflection. Maybe take a sabbatical. Maybe retire.

  • .

    @qqq said:

    @pedro said:
    @qqq I’m on a tech job myself, I think the difference is I live in Portugal, am divorced and pay alimony 🤷‍♂️

    Edit: Oh, and mortgage
    Edit2: And two kids through college
    Edit 3: Ok, I’ll keep this to myself

    :lol: Yea no kids and a cheap mortgage in a rural area for me. Portugal seems really nice though, I'm jealous!

    We got nice weather, great food, really good wine and beautiful women
    None of the rest…

  • @Telstar5 said:
    To all prospective buyers… Are you going for the new OLED iPad Pro or the new Air?

    All of it is too expensive. I'll stick with my 2019 iPad Pro despite its glaring inability much of the time. It forces me to do minimalism. 🙄

  • Well, my motto over the last several years has been, I'll upgrade when the legacy gear has become an impediment to whatever it is that I want to do. And, that there's no real workaround.

    I basically wanted to be able to edit video directly off an external HD instead of having to copy everything to the iPad. I couldn't do that with my old 2017 10.5in pro with lightning connector... so I upgraded.

    It's just that having waited more than 5 years to upgrade... with all the hype and impressive bench test results, etc. I kinda expected the jump in performance to be a little more awe-inspiring.

    It wasn't.

    Better? Yes... of course... but not nearly as significant as I'd expected by all the hype. I still would've upgraded because my legacy gear would not let me do what I wanted to do... but still, the hype didn't quite live up to the real world use in my experience.

    That being said... once I'd decided I wanted a new one, nobody could've talked me out of it. ;)

    So, congrats! And enjoy all your new gear!

    I might look at upgrading my desktop 16GB mac mini, depending on whatever they release/announce in the Fall. Or maybe a new iPad mini if they release one with usb-c and apple silicon inside. But even there, there's not really anything I want to do that I can't do now with what I already have.

  • edited May 10

    @mjm1138 said:

    @Simon said:
    Would Steve have approved this ad...?

    Wow. I'd read about the ad, but just watched it for the first time. It is, as others have noted, incredibly, stupefyingly tone-deaf. It makes me very uncomfortable to watch it. Honestly anyone who green-lighted that needs to spend some time doing self-reflection. Maybe take a sabbatical. Maybe retire.

    They got exactly what they wanted, the attention. But Cook should change that avatar because it's too close to the meme one making fun of people, often used on thumbnails to foster anti apple vibes.

  • None. M1 is still more than enough and will be for at least 2 years.

  • @mjm1138 said:
    Wow. I'd read about the ad, but just watched it for the first time. It is, as others have noted, incredibly, stupefyingly tone-deaf. It makes me very uncomfortable to watch it. Honestly anyone who green-lighted that needs to spend some time doing self-reflection. Maybe take a sabbatical. Maybe retire.

    I actually think it is a great ad - brilliant conceptually and executionally.

    It clearly says "all of this stuff can be done/relaced by the new iPad". And it says it in a dramatic & visually stunning way.

    And the bonus for Apple is people are talking about it and watching it to see what the fuss is about.

  • edited May 11

    @Simon said:

    @mjm1138 said:
    Wow. I'd read about the ad, but just watched it for the first time. It is, as others have noted, incredibly, stupefyingly tone-deaf. It makes me very uncomfortable to watch it. Honestly anyone who green-lighted that needs to spend some time doing self-reflection. Maybe take a sabbatical. Maybe retire.

    I actually think it is a great ad - brilliant conceptually and executionally.

    It clearly says "all of this stuff can be done/relaced by the new iPad". And it says it in a dramatic & visually stunning way.

    And the bonus for Apple is people are talking about it and watching it to see what the fuss is about.

    Today they issued an apology for the ad and announced they were pulling the TV campaign they were going to use it in (it was only ever posted to YouTube and tweeted by Tim Cook). It did generate some buzz, but I don’t think it was the buzz they wanted; it kind of overshadowed the product announcement.

    I think there were ways they could have expressed the concept better, that didn’t involve smashing and pulverizing tools of creative expression etc. And it seems like, of the marquee features in the new model, “1mm thinner” is not the one that people actually care about. But I’ve also seen plenty of commentary from folks who liked the ad, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @israelite said:
    None. M1 is still more than enough and will be for at least 2 years.

    Totally agree!

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • @qqq said:

    Oh yea, the 3rd gen 12.9 is pretty weak CPU wise. I don't quite understand how well Logic Pro takes advantage of multiple cores, but my guess is you are still heavily CPU bound. Though I think you also only have 4GB ram so that could be a problem?

    I'd love to hear other thoughts.

    Edit: Do you know what buffer ("latency") and sample rate you are using?

    512 samples and 24bit.

  • edited August 31

    @DMfan said:
    Most likely…none of them.

    I find the best > @Carnbot said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Obviously everyone's needs vary, and some may be in greater need to upgrade than others...

    But honestly...

    I finally upgraded from my 2017 10.5in iPad Pro to an 11in iPad Pro m2 about a year or so ago. I was excited to have a usb-c port for external drives, the m2 speed, etc. Got a new Apple pencil too. Bought a new, portable 17in 2.5k display with usb-c/HDMI and a new keyboard with trackpad builtin. Had to buy new cables to support the video and had to get a 65watt power brick and hub that would support more wattage, HDMI, etc.

    Had it all set up. Got nice foldable stands for the iPad and display too.

    I used it like this on and off for maybe 2 months.

    Eventually, I found that I didn't actually prefer to use the new iPad Pro all that much. It's kinda heavy. It's ok on a stand, but I started to ask myself why I didn't just buy a new Macbook Pro instead.

    Don't get me wrong... I love that I've got usb-c now, and plenty of storage and speed... but honestly... other than machine learning and AI type stuff processing faster... I haven't noticed a radical difference in what I could do before with my old iPad 10.5pro.

    I don't really care about faster screen refresh. Most apps aren't really developed to take advantage of the newer processors yet anyway. Most developers try to make sure their apps work suitably for legacy electronics, so that they can hopefully sell more apps.

    If I had to do it again, I might upgrade to get usb-c and have the option for a separate dedicated display... but I wouldn't have gone the full pro route. I would've saved a little cash and maybe put it towards a new macbook pro or air instead.

    And... what ipad do I use most of the time now? Like, 70% of the time? I actually prefer the size and weight of my little iPad mini 5. It runs every app I have, it's light, and it's big enough to not have to squint. I do have fairly good near vision though... so there's that.

    If Apple had released a new mini with usb-c and at least an M1 chip inside... I'd be tempted to sell my pro and downgrade to the smaller device.

    Yeah I personally don't think there is any real need for a high end iPad like M4 at all, it really doesn't do anything much better than the lower models and there is no software which makes use of it really. They just exist for those people who must buy the newest and fastest. It's all just extra icing but no more cake :)

    I'm still quite happy with my 2017 pro and I think the pinnacle of the ipad where chip speed met the touch screen use case was around that era. I will eventually upgrade but probably to something like a 2020 model when I get a good deal. I will stick with 12.9 inch though.

    I totally agree.

    Most people will never use the fastest and newest stuff to their full extent, but I do admit there is a huge ”nicetohave”- factor.

    I won’t be getting a new 2024 model but there will be a price drop for sure on the 2022 line. On the lookout for an iPad Air 5 M1 256GB and 8GB RAM, which is more than enough for my needs when it comes to music production. The apps I use are not yet multi-core but an Air 5 will comfortably get me on the M-train if need be. My current Air 4 256GB with its A14 single-core chipset holds up still, but the internal 4GB RAM is a limiting factor when stacking synths up…

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    And… goal!

    Got an iPad Air 5 while stocks last for a reasonable price. So far very happy with it!

    https://www.howtogeek.com/how-much-ram-does-each-ipad-have-and-does-it-even-matter/

    Chipwise, the IMO relatively small performance improvement between the M1 and M2 for my music needs on iOS, the jump from A14 to M1 is the way to go.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • The Air is FAR more than enough /needed for music production

  • A few months out, I do still love my iPad Pro M4. It lets me make the insane Drambo projects I always wanted to make. But for most workflows its still overkill.

  • I think I could be underspecced with 3 ipad 9, in Drambo.

    Even though you gain an ipad that can be 128/256 buffer for pianos and other ipads at 1024 sample and your templates reflect these scenario.

    Seen a few recent fac drum crashes on an ipad that now runs 12 Fac drum AU and if its because of specs. Its probably because of allocated ram?

    So if true.

    Would an ipad upgrade with more ram but still allocated ram get a boost of ram to the AUs?

    but it might not be an issue.

    Iv tested with say 10 fac drums triggered. A mariana etc. fx ( not a whole songs automation though )

    and seemed fine.

    If not.

    Iv been going on about the worlds best ( only in theory )

    Drum machine for nothing.

  • Over time though.

    If I keep multi ipad system.

    It will probably end up with 3 ipads with m4 chips etc anyway.

    Or whatever chip will be at the time.

  • Sigma, you seem to know a lot about this stuff and you seem to know what your talking about, problem is no one else does lol jk

    I’m curious why go with multiple iPad when you can just use one computer instead? Like what is your setup ideal goal?

  • @yellow_eyez said:
    Sigma, you seem to know a lot about this stuff and you seem to know what your talking about, problem is no one else does lol jk

    I’m curious why go with multiple iPad when you can just use one computer instead? Like what is your setup ideal goal?

    It started with an air 3. So then ended up as 3 ipads in Drambo.

    Using Drambo on multi ipads is the same as Drambo on 1 ipad.

    Just better screen management and obviously if also live tweaking. The more screens are also more controllers.

    A low buffer ipad , whilst others arnt seems a bonus.

    You dont have to wonder if switching to low buffer, whilst everything else is midi, will crash ipad.

    Not as much an issue with latest ipads.

    Its just you have to be at desk.

    If you you chill on sofa with an ipad. Its just synth sound design etc as your entire song might not be on 1 ipad.

    The 3 ipads is basically drums ( a screen )

    A synth and piano ipad ( low buffer )

    a 3rd ipad that is ok for about 8 swam instance. So if you need these type of sounds. You just turn on 3rd ipad and you got these unstruments but with realism midi control.

    Or just use 3rd ipad for say Neon sequencer to another ipad.

    You got a whole screen as a sequencer, whilst the other a synth on screen.

    Then still write midi to Drambo sequencer, for song.

    Maybe Id buy a desktop computer, if I kept making music. Even if just for video.

  • @sigma79 said:

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Sigma, you seem to know a lot about this stuff and you seem to know what your talking about, problem is no one else does lol jk

    I’m curious why go with multiple iPad when you can just use one computer instead? Like what is your setup ideal goal?

    It started with an air 3. So then ended up as 3 ipads in Drambo.

    Using Drambo on multi ipads is the same as Drambo on 1 ipad.

    Just better screen management and obviously if also live tweaking. The more screens are also more controllers.

    A low buffer ipad , whilst others arnt seems a bonus.

    You dont have to wonder if switching to low buffer, whilst everything else is midi, will crash ipad.

    Not as much an issue with latest ipads.

    Its just you have to be at desk.

    If you you chill on sofa with an ipad. Its just synth sound design etc as your entire song might not be on 1 ipad.

    The 3 ipads is basically drums ( a screen )

    A synth and piano ipad ( low buffer )

    a 3rd ipad that is ok for about 8 swam instance. So if you need these type of sounds. You just turn on 3rd ipad and you got these unstruments but with realism midi control.

    Or just use 3rd ipad for say Neon sequencer to another ipad.

    You got a whole screen as a sequencer, whilst the other a synth on screen.

    Then still write midi to Drambo sequencer, for song.

    Maybe Id buy a desktop computer, if I kept making music. Even if just for video.

    You hit exactly what I was kind of thinking

    Wouldn’t a computer running DRambo and the Rest of the stuff, with the iPads you already have , give you the extra ram and power you need, rather than having more iPads?

    I’m asking because for about the same price you can get the Mac mini which is as powerful if not moreso than the iPad and then have all the capabilities of macOS and apps in addition to what you already have on the iPad?

    Just a thought (?)

  • @yellow_eyez said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Sigma, you seem to know a lot about this stuff and you seem to know what your talking about, problem is no one else does lol jk

    I’m curious why go with multiple iPad when you can just use one computer instead? Like what is your setup ideal goal?

    It started with an air 3. So then ended up as 3 ipads in Drambo.

    Using Drambo on multi ipads is the same as Drambo on 1 ipad.

    Just better screen management and obviously if also live tweaking. The more screens are also more controllers.

    A low buffer ipad , whilst others arnt seems a bonus.

    You dont have to wonder if switching to low buffer, whilst everything else is midi, will crash ipad.

    Not as much an issue with latest ipads.

    Its just you have to be at desk.

    If you you chill on sofa with an ipad. Its just synth sound design etc as your entire song might not be on 1 ipad.

    The 3 ipads is basically drums ( a screen )

    A synth and piano ipad ( low buffer )

    a 3rd ipad that is ok for about 8 swam instance. So if you need these type of sounds. You just turn on 3rd ipad and you got these unstruments but with realism midi control.

    Or just use 3rd ipad for say Neon sequencer to another ipad.

    You got a whole screen as a sequencer, whilst the other a synth on screen.

    Then still write midi to Drambo sequencer, for song.

    Maybe Id buy a desktop computer, if I kept making music. Even if just for video.

    You hit exactly what I was kind of thinking

    Wouldn’t a computer running DRambo and the Rest of the stuff, with the iPads you already have , give you the extra ram and power you need, rather than having more iPads?

    I’m asking because for about the same price you can get the Mac mini which is as powerful if not moreso than the iPad and then have all the capabilities of macOS and apps in addition to what you already have on the iPad?

    Just a thought (?)

    The computer running Drambo would have to also run the au' s in Drambo, which probably arnt on os.

    So Id have to either choose to not have my multi au, drambo drum machine.

    Or not a swam ipad that incorperates the screen well to control the swams.

    So perhaps it would be the synth and piano ( pianoteq ipad ) and maybe os synths work in Drambo and end result would be better synths in Drambo.

    You kind of maybe have to stay in drambo with multi ipads but maybe not, as I havent made a full song to see if Id like the system.

  • Ahhhh ok
    Makes sense dude
    Good luck with the quest !

  • Cality> @yellow_eyez said:

    Ahhhh ok
    Makes sense dude
    Good luck with the quest !

    Thanks man.

  • My ipad pro 2nd gen is still holding on, so I’m comfortable waiting a generation or two more. I’m hoping they’ll finally open up iOS on the ipad and make it more desktop friendly. Also, holding on for better ability to swap worn batteries - it should be coming soon.

  • @israelite said:
    None. M1 is still more than enough and will be for at least 2 years.

    Same here

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