Logic big update: chromaglow vs nam/guitarml and does drummer now have round robins

jwmmakerofmusic

@richardyot said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

Erroneous is when something is incorrect and your eye roll inducing reply is why I deleted it and proving it was correct. I’m sorry your lack of musical ability meant it hit a nerve. X

It’s absolutely fine not to be a composer or a musician. You really don’t need to feel bad, or lash out about it. It’s just we can’t all be everything and that sense of entitlement looks a bit silly when someone who can’t play instruments or compose claims they can because they hit randomise. It doesn’t take much humility not to lie

As I said, I’m not a drummer, so I use ai drums or build a beat.

You just got triggered by the dance music jibe

This is what started the whole thing. It wasn't the "dance music jibe". It was me making a mild comment and then him claiming I'm not a composer or a musician when that is my JOB, not my hobby. And honestly he's the one with a sense of pompous entitlement in the first place who kept saying people who use AI are not real musicians before he edited that tirade into "nvm".

And he continued to claim and snidely suggest that I'm not a real songwriter and musician when the proof is on my SoundCloud page, all written and produced by me , with AI only being used to master my tracks in Logic Pro. And regarding Tourette's, I don't have that condition. I'm blunt. Looks like he "knows f-all about my life" as well, but unlike me who's open to learning about people, he couldn't care less to understand facts about me and continues to claim I'm a subpar musician or lack thereof.

So what does that tell everyone about him?

I'm sorry for the "waste of space" comment, but I'm not sorry for the remarks about him being "pompous".

It's all good - he's gone. Peace can be restored to the forum. ☮

Thanks mate. Thanks for having my back (and the same gratitude is extended to all who have my back). And thanks to the mods for taking care of this crazy situation.

I admit I wasn't in the best mood earlier this morning. I have a cold that caused me rubbish sleep last night. Not making any excuses for my participation in that beef. Just explaining what happened.

richardyot

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@richardyot said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

Erroneous is when something is incorrect and your eye roll inducing reply is why I deleted it and proving it was correct. I’m sorry your lack of musical ability meant it hit a nerve. X

It’s absolutely fine not to be a composer or a musician. You really don’t need to feel bad, or lash out about it. It’s just we can’t all be everything and that sense of entitlement looks a bit silly when someone who can’t play instruments or compose claims they can because they hit randomise. It doesn’t take much humility not to lie

As I said, I’m not a drummer, so I use ai drums or build a beat.

You just got triggered by the dance music jibe

This is what started the whole thing. It wasn't the "dance music jibe". It was me making a mild comment and then him claiming I'm not a composer or a musician when that is my JOB, not my hobby. And honestly he's the one with a sense of pompous entitlement in the first place who kept saying people who use AI are not real musicians before he edited that tirade into "nvm".

And he continued to claim and snidely suggest that I'm not a real songwriter and musician when the proof is on my SoundCloud page, all written and produced by me , with AI only being used to master my tracks in Logic Pro. And regarding Tourette's, I don't have that condition. I'm blunt. Looks like he "knows f-all about my life" as well, but unlike me who's open to learning about people, he couldn't care less to understand facts about me and continues to claim I'm a subpar musician or lack thereof.

So what does that tell everyone about him?

I'm sorry for the "waste of space" comment, but I'm not sorry for the remarks about him being "pompous".

It's all good - he's gone. Peace can be restored to the forum. ☮

Thanks mate. Thanks for having my back (and the same gratitude is extended to all who have my back). And thanks to the mods for taking care of this crazy situation.

I admit I wasn't in the best mood earlier this morning. I have a cold that caused me rubbish sleep last night. Not making any excuses for my participation in that beef. Just explaining what happened.

The guy was unhinged, that ban was fully deserved.

klownshed

@jwmmakerofmusic

Please don’t let him worry or get to you Jim. You did nothing wrong. And he’s gone.

You don’t need to justify yourself. Everybody here knows what you do by now and are well aware of your considerable talents.

He’s not worth getting upset over. Nothing he said needs a reply or your justification.

Take care. And there are plenty of us you can reach out to if you need to get it off your chest :-)

klownshed

The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

jwmmakerofmusic

@richardyot said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@richardyot said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

Erroneous is when something is incorrect and your eye roll inducing reply is why I deleted it and proving it was correct. I’m sorry your lack of musical ability meant it hit a nerve. X

It’s absolutely fine not to be a composer or a musician. You really don’t need to feel bad, or lash out about it. It’s just we can’t all be everything and that sense of entitlement looks a bit silly when someone who can’t play instruments or compose claims they can because they hit randomise. It doesn’t take much humility not to lie

As I said, I’m not a drummer, so I use ai drums or build a beat.

You just got triggered by the dance music jibe

This is what started the whole thing. It wasn't the "dance music jibe". It was me making a mild comment and then him claiming I'm not a composer or a musician when that is my JOB, not my hobby. And honestly he's the one with a sense of pompous entitlement in the first place who kept saying people who use AI are not real musicians before he edited that tirade into "nvm".

And he continued to claim and snidely suggest that I'm not a real songwriter and musician when the proof is on my SoundCloud page, all written and produced by me , with AI only being used to master my tracks in Logic Pro. And regarding Tourette's, I don't have that condition. I'm blunt. Looks like he "knows f-all about my life" as well, but unlike me who's open to learning about people, he couldn't care less to understand facts about me and continues to claim I'm a subpar musician or lack thereof.

So what does that tell everyone about him?

I'm sorry for the "waste of space" comment, but I'm not sorry for the remarks about him being "pompous".

It's all good - he's gone. Peace can be restored to the forum. ☮

Thanks mate. Thanks for having my back (and the same gratitude is extended to all who have my back). And thanks to the mods for taking care of this crazy situation.

I admit I wasn't in the best mood earlier this morning. I have a cold that caused me rubbish sleep last night. Not making any excuses for my participation in that beef. Just explaining what happened.

The guy was unhinged, that ban was fully deserved.

Agreed mate.

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@klownshed said:
@jwmmakerofmusic

Please don’t let him worry or get to you Jim. You did nothing wrong. And he’s gone.

You don’t need to justify yourself. Everybody here knows what you do by now and are well aware of your considerable talents.

He’s not worth getting upset over. Nothing he said needs a reply or your justification.

Take care. And there are plenty of us you can reach out to if you need to get it off your chest :-)

Thank you so much mate. Ah, you guys are awesome.

mjm1138

@Vip8888 said:
I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but I’m not sure where to go from here. I haven’t made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all.

Audiobus forum Quote of the Year, IMO

NeuM

@mjm1138 said:

@Vip8888 said:
I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but I’m not sure where to go from here. I haven’t made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all.

Audiobus forum Quote of the Year, IMO

👍

Vip8888

Sadly I cannot take the credit for it - it’s one of those memes that seemed fitting for the discussion.

bluegroove

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

Very good insights here. I don't say a ton on this forum, but just wanted to let you know that I've really appreciated your posts lately, here and in other threads. 👍

NeuM

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

I'm going to re-read this entire thread right after I enjoy a large cup of A.I. coffee.

HolyMoses

@richardyot said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@richardyot said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

Erroneous is when something is incorrect and your eye roll inducing reply is why I deleted it and proving it was correct. I’m sorry your lack of musical ability meant it hit a nerve. X

It’s absolutely fine not to be a composer or a musician. You really don’t need to feel bad, or lash out about it. It’s just we can’t all be everything and that sense of entitlement looks a bit silly when someone who can’t play instruments or compose claims they can because they hit randomise. It doesn’t take much humility not to lie

As I said, I’m not a drummer, so I use ai drums or build a beat.

You just got triggered by the dance music jibe

This is what started the whole thing. It wasn't the "dance music jibe". It was me making a mild comment and then him claiming I'm not a composer or a musician when that is my JOB, not my hobby. And honestly he's the one with a sense of pompous entitlement in the first place who kept saying people who use AI are not real musicians before he edited that tirade into "nvm".

And he continued to claim and snidely suggest that I'm not a real songwriter and musician when the proof is on my SoundCloud page, all written and produced by me , with AI only being used to master my tracks in Logic Pro. And regarding Tourette's, I don't have that condition. I'm blunt. Looks like he "knows f-all about my life" as well, but unlike me who's open to learning about people, he couldn't care less to understand facts about me and continues to claim I'm a subpar musician or lack thereof.

So what does that tell everyone about him?

I'm sorry for the "waste of space" comment, but I'm not sorry for the remarks about him being "pompous".

It's all good - he's gone. Peace can be restored to the forum. ☮

Thanks mate. Thanks for having my back (and the same gratitude is extended to all who have my back). And thanks to the mods for taking care of this crazy situation.

I admit I wasn't in the best mood earlier this morning. I have a cold that caused me rubbish sleep last night. Not making any excuses for my participation in that beef. Just explaining what happened.

The guy was unhinged, that ban was fully deserved.

With all this medical issues he claiming, pretty impressive to such an expert on almost everything…

klownshed

@bluegroove said:

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

Very good insights here. I don't say a ton on this forum, but just wanted to let you know that I've really appreciated your posts lately, here and in other threads. 👍

That's very kind of you to say, thank you ;-)

jwmmakerofmusic

@NeuM said:

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

I'm going to re-read this entire thread right after I enjoy a large cup of A.I. coffee.

Oh no, that's not real coffee. You have to grow your own robusto beans (unless you prefer arabica) first, process them, grind them, and use a proper coffee filter to steep the brew into a coffee pot. 😏 (I'm being playfully sarcastic.)

yellow_eyez

@bluegroove said:

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

Very good insights here. I don't say a ton on this forum, but just wanted to let you know that I've really appreciated your posts lately, here and in other threads. 👍

Yes Klownshed has become a major source of inspiration and information. His presence makes this place better. Hes also quite a good artist

colorsinspace

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@NeuM said:

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

I'm going to re-read this entire thread right after I enjoy a large cup of A.I. coffee.

Oh no, that's not real coffee. You have to grow your own robusto beans (unless you prefer arabica) first, process them, grind them, and use a proper coffee filter to steep the brew into a coffee pot. 😏 (I'm being playfully sarcastic.)

I haven’t heard you talking about the op-1 field lately. You better not have sold it!!

jwmmakerofmusic

@colorsinspace said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@NeuM said:

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

I'm going to re-read this entire thread right after I enjoy a large cup of A.I. coffee.

Oh no, that's not real coffee. You have to grow your own robusto beans (unless you prefer arabica) first, process them, grind them, and use a proper coffee filter to steep the brew into a coffee pot. 😏 (I'm being playfully sarcastic.)

I haven’t heard you talking about the op-1 field lately. You better not have sold it!!

Absolutely not. That OP-1 Field is special.

R_2

@yellow_eyez said:

@bluegroove said:

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

Very good insights here. I don't say a ton on this forum, but just wanted to let you know that I've really appreciated your posts lately, here and in other threads. 👍

Yes Klownshed has become a major source of inspiration and information. His presence makes this place better. Hes also quite a good artist

+1

tahiche

AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

Fear2Stop

I guarantee AI will never be able to duplicate what I do… hell half the time I don’t even know what I’m gonna do until I’ve already done it 😂

yellow_eyez

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@colorsinspace said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@NeuM said:

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

I'm going to re-read this entire thread right after I enjoy a large cup of A.I. coffee.

Oh no, that's not real coffee. You have to grow your own robusto beans (unless you prefer arabica) first, process them, grind them, and use a proper coffee filter to steep the brew into a coffee pot. 😏 (I'm being playfully sarcastic.)

I haven’t heard you talking about the op-1 field lately. You better not have sold it!!

Absolutely not. That OP-1 Field is special.

Now that’s the real winner ; esp with that latest Fw update ! lol

God I love that thing

Can’t wait for your next field EP

HolyMoses

@colorsinspace said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@NeuM said:

@klownshed said:
The ‘Ai’ discussion could be an interesting one though — without our new ‘friend’.

If you think about it there’s nothing really different about the new Logic players than the original drummer which was never claimed to be AI. But AI is the new buzzword and Apple are getting slaughtered in the press for being behind despite all the considerable AI effort that we have been enjoying for years — the neural network isn’t in our chips for nothing!

And what do you think powers our cameras in the iPhone?

As for the players themselves, people have been doing similar things since the dawn of MIDI. I remember buying sample CDs in the 90s which came with floppies of midi files so you could create construction kits. Easy West Danve/Industrial was my favourite!

And there’s been ‘band in a box’ for decades.

Let alone keyboards with built in accompaniment. Outside our DIY world people have been playing music with auto accompaniment for literally decades.

only the label for it is new. It may be ‘cleverer’ than before. Only last week Apple called it machine learning. This week it’s AI. And next month the tech press will be awash with Ai As Apple overuse those 2 letters at WWDC to try and make sure everybody knows they have not been caught with their pants down. lol.

I'm going to re-read this entire thread right after I enjoy a large cup of A.I. coffee.

Oh no, that's not real coffee. You have to grow your own robusto beans (unless you prefer arabica) first, process them, grind them, and use a proper coffee filter to steep the brew into a coffee pot. 😏 (I'm being playfully sarcastic.)

I haven’t heard you talking about the op-1 field lately. You better not have sold it!!

Do we sell our own children? This can be on that level…

HolyMoses

@tahiche said:
AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

I can agree on some part on your reply here, but, it may be healthy to think the opposite:

In my home language we have 28 letters/characters, albeit we can use them over and over again to write new books, write new articles etc etc, recycling the words, the letters in absurdum…

So, I think we have better variations in our chords and keys, our different instruments, so we can do new music out of the heftier amount of possibilities…

I welcome ML - AI in Logic Pro, hope Apple could do an guitarist session player also very soon!

cyberheater

That last page was a page of crazy. Hope folks are okay.

NeuM

@tahiche said:
AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

Out of curiosity, how many people here make their living making music? And I'm not referring to engineering or mixing someone else's musical or audio work, but actually creating and performing and/or selling your own performed or recorded work... Speaking for myself, I don't currently make a living making music. I consider it my raison d'être, but it is not how I stay fed.

So far, I'm only aware of 1 person here who does make his living performing: jwmmakerofmusic.

And I'm not trying to judge anyone if they don't make a living performing or selling their own work. I just don't see it as a viable career path for most people because there is a massive oversupply of music versus demand. Basic economics.

jwmmakerofmusic

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:
AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

Out of curiosity, how many people here make their living making music? And I'm not referring to engineering or mixing someone else's musical or audio work, but actually creating and performing and/or selling your own performed or recorded work... Speaking for myself, I don't currently make a living making music. I consider it my raison d'être, but it is not how I stay fed.

So far, I'm only aware of 1 person here who does make his living performing: jwmmakerofmusic.

Yep, that's me, lol. I don't always perform my original songs out in public, just piano versions of popular songs people like (which brings in more tips, lol), but I often play the song I wrote for my sister called "Lora's Day" on piano. And "Haunted Mansion" during Halloween (which is popular here in the US every October, lol).

But, I do love to produce EDM music and post that to Soundcloud.

NeuM

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:
AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

Out of curiosity, how many people here make their living making music? And I'm not referring to engineering or mixing someone else's musical or audio work, but actually creating and performing and/or selling your own performed or recorded work... Speaking for myself, I don't currently make a living making music. I consider it my raison d'être, but it is not how I stay fed.

So far, I'm only aware of 1 person here who does make his living performing: jwmmakerofmusic.

Yep, that's me, lol. I don't always perform my original songs out in public, just piano versions of popular songs people like (which brings in more tips, lol), but I often play the song I wrote for my sister called "Lora's Day" on piano. And "Haunted Mansion" during Halloween (which is popular here in the US every October, lol).

But, I do love to produce EDM music and post that to Soundcloud.

It's a very, very competitive business to be in. I just love creating, recording and mixing. I'm not really into performing live, so I tip my hat to you.

jwmmakerofmusic

@NeuM said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:
AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

Out of curiosity, how many people here make their living making music? And I'm not referring to engineering or mixing someone else's musical or audio work, but actually creating and performing and/or selling your own performed or recorded work... Speaking for myself, I don't currently make a living making music. I consider it my raison d'être, but it is not how I stay fed.

So far, I'm only aware of 1 person here who does make his living performing: jwmmakerofmusic.

Yep, that's me, lol. I don't always perform my original songs out in public, just piano versions of popular songs people like (which brings in more tips, lol), but I often play the song I wrote for my sister called "Lora's Day" on piano. And "Haunted Mansion" during Halloween (which is popular here in the US every October, lol).

But, I do love to produce EDM music and post that to Soundcloud.

It's a very, very competitive business to be in. I just love creating, recording and mixing. I'm not really into performing live, so I tip my hat to you.

Thanks mate. Cheers! 🍻

HolyMoses

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:
AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

Out of curiosity, how many people here make their living making music? And I'm not referring to engineering or mixing someone else's musical or audio work, but actually creating and performing and/or selling your own performed or recorded work... Speaking for myself, I don't currently make a living making music. I consider it my raison d'être, but it is not how I stay fed.

So far, I'm only aware of 1 person here who does make his living performing: jwmmakerofmusic.

And I'm not trying to judge anyone if they don't make a living performing or selling their own work. I just don't see it as a viable career path for most people because there is a massive oversupply of music versus demand. Basic economics.

I’m suspicious on one of the steady users here, he can really live on his musical dream - my gut feeling makes me believe that’s David Guetta…
Can even average musical stars nowadays live on their artistery?

NeuM

@HolyMoses said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:
AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

Out of curiosity, how many people here make their living making music? And I'm not referring to engineering or mixing someone else's musical or audio work, but actually creating and performing and/or selling your own performed or recorded work... Speaking for myself, I don't currently make a living making music. I consider it my raison d'être, but it is not how I stay fed.

So far, I'm only aware of 1 person here who does make his living performing: jwmmakerofmusic.

And I'm not trying to judge anyone if they don't make a living performing or selling their own work. I just don't see it as a viable career path for most people because there is a massive oversupply of music versus demand. Basic economics.

I’m suspicious on one of the steady users here, he can really live on his musical dream - my gut feeling makes me believe that’s David Guetta…
Can even average musical stars nowadays live on their artistery?

Professional musicians I know/have known usually make their money from performing or merchandise sales, not from the sale of the music itself. Another venue for musicians and composers to receive recurring revenue is from music licensing, although I have a strong suspicion that will be rapidly diminishing on many fronts with the advent of convincingly authentic sounding generative music.

tahiche

@NeuM said:

@HolyMoses said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:
AI players make boring and predictable music, based on what it’s trained on. Because it’s a fact that most popular music is boring and predictable, repeating the same structures and pleasing chord progressions. 99% of the music out there doesn’t “challenge” the listener, avoids tension or anything that might sound unsettling according to pop standards. Is that bad?. Not at all, blues is also predictable and it can be soul touching and amazing.
So when nothing in the melody, harmony or rhythm is innovative it comes down to feeling, performance, sound design… that’s where you can turn any AI riff into something unique, and that’ll be the human directing. I have no doubt that if you make a track with 4 chords and just the Logic AI band with default presets the outcome will be surprising (wow a machine did this), it’ll sound good (stock sounds are great) and it’ll be pleasing. But boring and predictable.
So it’s people that make boring and predictable, “for the masses” music that could/should be worried about AI. The more it adheres to a set of stanadards, the more success AI will have at replacing you.
But eventually, it’ll get to a point where AI has learned all of Sonic Youth’s weird tunings and chords. Or it’ll make a killer track “Neu!” style. I do fear that day.
Also I hate AI. Not the technology, but how as (capitalist) societies we’re not prepared for it. We can’t have AI take over large portions of our live and still expect to work 40h a week, and I don’t see a change in the near future where we’re willing to make changes so that technological advances make our lives as a whole better and easier. Instead we’ll fear about AI taking our jobs, starting as music makers.

Out of curiosity, how many people here make their living making music? And I'm not referring to engineering or mixing someone else's musical or audio work, but actually creating and performing and/or selling your own performed or recorded work... Speaking for myself, I don't currently make a living making music. I consider it my raison d'être, but it is not how I stay fed.

So far, I'm only aware of 1 person here who does make his living performing: jwmmakerofmusic.

And I'm not trying to judge anyone if they don't make a living performing or selling their own work. I just don't see it as a viable career path for most people because there is a massive oversupply of music versus demand. Basic economics.

I’m suspicious on one of the steady users here, he can really live on his musical dream - my gut feeling makes me believe that’s David Guetta…
Can even average musical stars nowadays live on their artistery?

Professional musicians I know/have known usually make their money from performing or merchandise sales, not from the sale of the music itself. Another venue for musicians and composers to receive recurring revenue is from music licensing, although I have a strong suspicion that will be rapidly diminishing on many fronts with the advent of convincingly authentic sounding generative music.

This is what I was referring to:

(revenue…) I have a strong suspicion that will be rapidly diminishing on many fronts with the advent of convincingly authentic sounding generative music.

It’s not only about music. It’s translations, graphic design, programming, customer care… just about everything. Read somewhere that about 25% of current jobs could be taken over by AI. So “it doesn’t affect me” is the wrong mindset because it will one way or another.
Is AI evil?. Should it be stopped?. No way, if a machine can work for you, let it. But labor conditions and work hours need to be changed to account for this. AI is a human achievement that should benefit societies as a whole, as naive as that may sound.
The session bass player who is not needed for that 80% of songs where the AI-bassist is good enough, should now have more free time and keep the living standards doing that 20% where the AI doesn’t cut it. To me this is basic common sense but many will think it’s communism…