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You’ve never heard A.I music like this

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  • @reezygle said:
    Great discussion.

    Collective intelligence: It’s a term I recently heard that made me think.

    I think most can agree that using an AI model that is trained by data from a single entity, like the style of one guitar player, or the voice of a particular person, without their knowledge and consent, without acknowledgement is stealing.

    A single entity would not be enough data to train an entire model but a single entity can be used as a finetune on top of a vastly trained model to define the character of the output of the model. That said the finetune can be very convincing and yah mimicking/plagiarism/stealing are all good ballpark words in my opinion, heck even identity theft in some cases.

  • @reezygle said:
    And I think that’s not only ok but also exciting because it’s a whole new ballgame.

    Yes it is. It's going to be an amazing journey. The possibilities are endless. It's an amazing time to be alive. We've very lucky to be witnessing this monumental shift. It's not going to be easy but it's going to be incredible.

  • The Singularity is near. That's for sure.

  • It sounds boring to me. Enjoy.

  • @ALB said:
    It sounds boring to me. Enjoy.

    The music or the prospect of A.I.

  • Watching people cheer their own demise is always hilarious.

  • ALBALB
    edited June 2

    @cyberheater said:

    @ALB said:
    It sounds boring to me. Enjoy.

    The music or the prospect of A.I.

    Both. People being ok with second best. People thinking that the creative process is somehow a “problem” that needs to be solved. It’s an inferior product from an uninteresting process. Whoopee.

  • @garden said:
    Watching people cheer their own demise is always hilarious.

    Don’t Look Up 😉

  • edited June 2

    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.
    Or your own parents when drum machines came along.

  • @garden said:
    Watching people cheer their own demise is always hilarious.

    I’m not sure about demise but A.I will force us to evaluate what it is to be a human.

  • @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.

    Nope. Rock music was made by people. At least my grandparents knew that. Do you understand the difference? Really tired of the newest techevangelist bs being trumpeted as a great thing. It’s not. Yes, we will have to deal with it and there’s no stopping it, so better get used to it, etc. Not impressed. Sad.

  • The railing against progress sounds exactly the same.

  • @ALB said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.

    Nope. Rock music was made by people. At least my grandparents knew that. Do you understand the difference? Really tired of the newest techevangelist bs being trumpeted as a great thing. It’s not. Yes, we will have to deal with it and there’s no stopping it, so better get used to it, etc. Not impressed. Sad.

    Most people have no idea what’s coming down the pipe and how fast it will get here. I don’t tend to speak to people about it in my real life because in this case ignorance is bliss. I’m even holding back here.

  • @AlmostAnonymous said:
    The railing against progress sounds exactly the same.

    But it’s not progress, it’s just change. Progress implies, I think, an improvement (“We’re making progress.”). Rock music from big band and folk music wasn’t progress, it was simply a change brought about by a set of circumstances. All change is not positive, it’s just different. Evolution is not necessarily an improvement. I guess my question is this: Who exactly is clamoring for AI music and art? Who really wants this? Seems to me that there aren’t a bunch of girls swooning for the newest AI-generated singer as they were for Elvis or the Beatles. Who is driving this? I would put my bet on corporate interests, not the younger generation. And so your comparison is incredibly faulty.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @ALB said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.

    Nope. Rock music was made by people. At least my grandparents knew that. Do you understand the difference? Really tired of the newest techevangelist bs being trumpeted as a great thing. It’s not. Yes, we will have to deal with it and there’s no stopping it, so better get used to it, etc. Not impressed. Sad.

    Most people have no idea what’s coming down the pipe and how fast it will get here. I don’t tend to speak to people about it in my real life because in this case ignorance is bliss. I’m even holding back here.

    I sort of assume that half of what’s currently coming out is at least 50% AI. Sounds like it anyway.

  • @tubespace said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @novich said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    just to point out the obvious, its samples from a real female voice slapped into an AI algo.

    No samples at all. All audio generated via A.I. That’s been trained on audio data.

    Either way it's someone else's stolen talent and uniqueness.....

    @AudioGus said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    just to point out the obvious, its samples from a real female voice slapped into an AI algo.

    No samples at all. All audio generated via A.I. That’s been trained on audio data.

    this is why i added the comment, AI uses an original human voice sampled through different methods. all involve an original human voice. Its then analysed and regenerated.

    in the example you show its clearly a regenerate human voice. if we could be bothered, we can probably find out the name of the human used for the source voice material.

    it may very well be a composite blend of several and not one particular person.

    If it’s trained on one person, then it’s stealing; if it’s trained on large data sets (likely), then it’s not. Are we going to pretend that humans aren’t stealing from their idols when they create art?

    Excellent point! And I really think the average person doesn't realize that AI is not sentient. We have this imagination that AI is alive and thinking - and that's the scary part. But in actuality, AI is just a mirror of patterns across humanity.

    But our lifestyle and creative patterns are THAT predictable. That's the shocking part, for me -- and a whole other conversation.

    I think it's interesting that society is having AI making its debut now, in the middle of our capitalistic downtrend. The music industry model (of monetizing our musical creativity) has long been surrendered to massive corporatization. Now without a way to survive solely on our creativity, we have machines mimicking our creations very accurately.

    So how do we process this new situation? Many of us are starting to re-analyze why we create in the first place. But I know it's hard to walk away from the 'rags-to-riches' narrative the industry has been trying to sell us. It's been a lie for many decades.

    Yes, yes, yes! I also think it’s interesting that Endlesss ceased operations as we stumble upon this interesting moment. If the capitalist music machine is soul searching then Endlesss and other approaches offered a path to “the journey is the destination” that suggested that musicking is closer to meditation/flow than money making. Thousands of years of musicians sitting around the campfire applaud! I suspect the capitalist music machine is unfortunately salivating however. Provide the masses with their musical opiate at next to zero “compute costs”? Rings all the bells.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @ALB said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.

    Nope. Rock music was made by people. At least my grandparents knew that. Do you understand the difference? Really tired of the newest techevangelist bs being trumpeted as a great thing. It’s not. Yes, we will have to deal with it and there’s no stopping it, so better get used to it, etc. Not impressed. Sad.

    Most people have no idea what’s coming down the pipe and how fast it will get here. I don’t tend to speak to people about it in my real life because in this case ignorance is bliss. I’m even holding back here.

    I wager no one knows.

  • @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.
    Or your own parents when drum machines came along.

    You all? I see varying opinions here.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @AudioGus said:
    It certainly has not affected my music impulse much because that is just self expression and making things mainly for myself but my career path is completely altered and much more complicated now because of it,

    I'm not going to get into how much every single person on this planet is going to be massively impacted by A.I but do think that self expression for the sake of self expression is going to become a very important part of what it is to be a human. At the moment we alone have that agency so enjoy that while it lasts.

    In 10-20 years everyone will have brainpower multiplying implants to keep up with AI anyway, so don’t worry about it.

  • @NeuM said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @AudioGus said:
    It certainly has not affected my music impulse much because that is just self expression and making things mainly for myself but my career path is completely altered and much more complicated now because of it,

    I'm not going to get into how much every single person on this planet is going to be massively impacted by A.I but do think that self expression for the sake of self expression is going to become a very important part of what it is to be a human. At the moment we alone have that agency so enjoy that while it lasts.

    In 10-20 years everyone will have brainpower multiplying implants to keep up with AI anyway, so don’t worry about it.

    Not everyone. Only those who can afford premium health insurance plans.

  • edited June 3

    @AudioGus said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.
    Or your own parents when drum machines came along.

    You all? I see varying opinions here.

    I think I can safely assume people are super hesitant and judgemental of the crappy state it is in now, and most have not been embracing it and saying “what can this do for me and my music”
    (But everyone is fine using euclideans, generators, probability, and pressing that random button in apps)

    The bottom line is if what comes outta the speakers is good. It doesn’t matter how that happens, or what tools are used.

    It’s not just only about “hey make me a surf song” or “make me a joke song about eating fudge until I die”. This is what most people think about AI music. It’s just a prompt you type in and it spits out a song. Right now, sure, there’s a lot to be improved upon. Yeah, it does that with relative ease. Is it great? Sometimes. Do people get butthurt or discount it cause a human didn’t play anything? Sure, but I dunno why when entire songs have been made with sequencers, laptops, virtual instruments, etc for couple decades now. Most have just been programmed, not even played/performed by a human.

    This can be very dense and there’s a lot of tech that does into it. If you train your own models, it’s now about you, and not some algorithm someone else is hosting on a website to make you a guitar line. I would also say that AI generating a guitar line you use, isnt much different that using that guitar line from some random sample pack.

    Overall, I want to see what is possible outside of the physical limitations of a human brain. We used sequencers and computers to overcome the physical limitations of human performance, why can’t we do the same and overcome the mental capacity of the human brain for compositional/creative purposes?

  • edited June 3

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.
    Or your own parents when drum machines came along.

    You all? I see varying opinions here.

    I think I can safely assume people are super hesitant and judgemental of the crappy state it is in now,

    For sure some are. I have been looking at this stuff for a few years now (along with images) so relatively speaking I think the music is fairly advanced now as far as just raw slot machine generator tech. The toolset is about two years behind images though. (Though more highly fitted in terms of training/tuning) Once a Control Net of music comes out I will be far more into it. But yah, even now I use Udio with stem separators and snag samples etc but this is like Image Diffusion and photoshop two years ago and not anything like where it is now in terms of actual image tools.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.
    Or your own parents when drum machines came along.

    You all? I see varying opinions here.

    I think I can safely assume people are super hesitant and judgemental of the crappy state it is in now,

    For sure some are. I have been looking at this stuff for a few years now (along with images) so relatively speaking I think the music is fairly advanced now as far as just raw slot machine generator tech. The toolset is about two years behind images though. (Though more highly fitted in terms of training/tuning) Once a Control Net of music comes out I will be far more into it. But yah, even now I use Udio with stem separators and snag samples etc but this is like Image Diffusion and photoshop two years ago and not anything like where it is now in terms of actual image tools.

    Well stated. It’s a bit like throwing dice right now, but there’s no reason why far greater precision won’t become part of the process sometime soon.

  • edited June 3

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    You all sound like your grandparents when rock music came along, lmao.
    Or your own parents when drum machines came along.

    You all? I see varying opinions here.

    I think I can safely assume people are super hesitant and judgemental of the crappy state it is in now,

    For sure some are. I have been looking at this stuff for a few years now (along with images) so relatively speaking I think the music is fairly advanced now as far as just raw slot machine generator tech. The toolset is about two years behind images though. (Though more highly fitted in terms of training/tuning) Once a Control Net of music comes out I will be far more into it. But yah, even now I use Udio with stem separators and snag samples etc but this is like Image Diffusion and photoshop two years ago and not anything like where it is now in terms of actual image tools.

    Well stated. It’s a bit like throwing dice right now, but there’s no reason why far greater precision won’t become part of the process sometime soon.

    Yah my understanding is that this current phase of audio is more or less a diffusion rendering process similar to images and methods like Control Net for images (that anyone interested in AI/Ml should check out) are a prime example or how users can guide and direct image output far beyond the much maligned prompting and random re-rolling that most people seem to think is the extent of this tech. Definitely not the case.

  • @AlmostAnonymous said:
    The bottom line is if what comes outta the speakers is good. It doesn’t matter how that happens, or what tools are used.

    Well, that’s certainly a perspective. As in, a thing someone thought, and chose to write.

  • @garden said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    The bottom line is if what comes outta the speakers is good. It doesn’t matter how that happens, or what tools are used.

    Well, that’s certainly a perspective. As in, a thing someone thought, and chose to write.

    It’s true from the point of view of the listener. They most likely don’t care how it’s made.

  • @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    @NeuM said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @AudioGus said:
    It certainly has not affected my music impulse much because that is just self expression and making things mainly for myself but my career path is completely altered and much more complicated now because of it,

    I'm not going to get into how much every single person on this planet is going to be massively impacted by A.I but do think that self expression for the sake of self expression is going to become a very important part of what it is to be a human. At the moment we alone have that agency so enjoy that while it lasts.

    In 10-20 years everyone will have brainpower multiplying implants to keep up with AI anyway, so don’t worry about it.

    Not everyone. Only those who can afford premium health insurance plans.

    I wouldn’t bet on that one either. The arc of technology points directly toward nearly unlimited computing power and storage for almost zero cost in the future.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    @NeuM said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @AudioGus said:
    It certainly has not affected my music impulse much because that is just self expression and making things mainly for myself but my career path is completely altered and much more complicated now because of it,

    I'm not going to get into how much every single person on this planet is going to be massively impacted by A.I but do think that self expression for the sake of self expression is going to become a very important part of what it is to be a human. At the moment we alone have that agency so enjoy that while it lasts.

    In 10-20 years everyone will have brainpower multiplying implants to keep up with AI anyway, so don’t worry about it.

    Not everyone. Only those who can afford premium health insurance plans.

    I wouldn’t bet on that one either. The arc of technology points directly toward nearly unlimited computing power and storage for almost zero cost in the future.

    Capitalism eaten by technocracy, wonder who will control that.

  • edited June 3

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    @NeuM said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @AudioGus said:
    It certainly has not affected my music impulse much because that is just self expression and making things mainly for myself but my career path is completely altered and much more complicated now because of it,

    I'm not going to get into how much every single person on this planet is going to be massively impacted by A.I but do think that self expression for the sake of self expression is going to become a very important part of what it is to be a human. At the moment we alone have that agency so enjoy that while it lasts.

    In 10-20 years everyone will have brainpower multiplying implants to keep up with AI anyway, so don’t worry about it.

    Not everyone. Only those who can afford premium health insurance plans.

    I wouldn’t bet on that one either. The arc of technology points directly toward nearly unlimited computing power and storage for almost zero cost in the future.

    Capitalism eaten by technocracy, wonder who will control that.

    Capitalism is great… and not just for technology. It works everywhere it's allowed to work.

  • Those of us who are more trepidatious about AI aren't the "Old man screaming at the sky" or just "boomers" some make us out to be (I was born in 1975 & am an unashamed GenXer anyway).

    I personally have adopted iOS music production apps as my main recording platform. My old PortaStudio's that I began recording on and my desktop with ProTools HD are all packed away in storage. I totally embrace new technologies, however Artificial Intelligence is in a completely different category.

    AI fundamentally changes the landscape of music on several different levels. I mean I feel that the generative music apps are step too far. All of the soul and direct human connection a traditional composition has is left to chance. AI is even worse because depending on which AI model is used the result can be made to sound like a certain singer, musician and even an existing composition.

    Musicians already have a Herculean task to overcome to just earn a living in music. AI models will become so advanced (which is right around the corner) they can produce a professional legit sounding piece of music by entering a few basic descriptors into a model.

    Real musicians, producers and composers will become redundant to the eyes of many. Non-creative money men will do what they've always done: focus on the bottom line. If AI saves them time and money of course they'll use it.

    File sharing and streaming pretty much decapitated the record business. Live performance is the only way musicians from major stars to bar bands can make money. I find no comfort in those saying "Well, AI can't replace live musicians", since most people wouldn't believe that you can have Nat King Cole singing Nirvana songs 10-20 years ago.

    Yes, it's an exciting time to be a musician alive today, with the democratisation of recording and releasing music making it possible to get our music out there. It's also a heavy time full of uncertainty and few answers to some life swaying changes.

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