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LMAO nice apple, release M4 oled ipad and what's your frontpage update for iPadOS? CALCULATOR APP

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  • NeuMNeuM

    For anyone interested, here is a fairly evenhanded evaluation of announcements from the first day of WWDC. There's even a section dedicated to the calculator. :)

  • DhamDham

    @mangecoeur said:

    @NeuM said:
    If one prefers the “open” environment of Android, they should try it out for a while, then come back to Apple with tail between legs shortly thereafter. Apple stuff just works better. And if one dislikes the particular limitations of iPadOS, there’s always the Mac lineup.

    I do like apple stuff and I’ve used a bit of everything starting from DOS, I was even one of like 8 people who had a windows-based nokia smartphone 😂 But that doesn’t mean we have to accept what apple do uncritically just because someone else does it worse. The point with the ipad pro is there is now no technical reason for any limitations, gone are the days when it was limited by weak mobile processors.

    Ahhh the good old days of DOS:) I still have an HP 'Palmtop' computer that has DOS built into the ROM along with Lotus 1,2,3 and cc:Mail. It fits in my pocket, runs on a couple of AA batteries for days and even has a PCMCIA slot which I used to house a modem with a pop-up RJ11 jack and could be used to connect to any phone jack and automatically send/receive my work emails. We've come a long way......

  • HolyMosesHolyMoses

    @Dham said:

    @mangecoeur said:

    @NeuM said:
    If one prefers the “open” environment of Android, they should try it out for a while, then come back to Apple with tail between legs shortly thereafter. Apple stuff just works better. And if one dislikes the particular limitations of iPadOS, there’s always the Mac lineup.

    I do like apple stuff and I’ve used a bit of everything starting from DOS, I was even one of like 8 people who had a windows-based nokia smartphone 😂 But that doesn’t mean we have to accept what apple do uncritically just because someone else does it worse. The point with the ipad pro is there is now no technical reason for any limitations, gone are the days when it was limited by weak mobile processors.

    Ahhh the good old days of DOS:) I still have an HP 'Palmtop' computer that has DOS built into the ROM along with Lotus 1,2,3 and cc:Mail. It fits in my pocket, runs on a couple of AA batteries for days and even has a PCMCIA slot which I used to house a modem with a pop-up RJ11 jack and could be used to connect to any phone jack and automatically send/receive my work emails. We've come a long way......

    Yeah, we all have things from the past on our attics!

    Commodore stuffs from 1982 to 1993 (the last one Amiga 4000) - also Sinclair Spectrum 48k, some oldies with 386/486 CPU:s, dotprinters from japanees company nowadays are gone…

    I also have saved several hundreds of computer magazines from 1981 to 1998 (the rest is in the recycling bin already)…
    Pretty nice to read future expectations from editors in Byte and Computer World from mid 80’s - they should not believe their eyes today if they saw a 1TB memory card big as an thumbnail, or video/photo/DTP editing on a 500 gram iPad Pro M4 with 2TB storage and 16GB of RAM - insane if we think deeper into that!!

    I can honestly miss the late 80’s and early 90’s with my all Commodore Amigas (model 3000 was my favorite)…

  • DhamDham

    @HolyMoses said:

    @Dham said:

    @mangecoeur said:

    @NeuM said:
    If one prefers the “open” environment of Android, they should try it out for a while, then come back to Apple with tail between legs shortly thereafter. Apple stuff just works better. And if one dislikes the particular limitations of iPadOS, there’s always the Mac lineup.

    I do like apple stuff and I’ve used a bit of everything starting from DOS, I was even one of like 8 people who had a windows-based nokia smartphone 😂 But that doesn’t mean we have to accept what apple do uncritically just because someone else does it worse. The point with the ipad pro is there is now no technical reason for any limitations, gone are the days when it was limited by weak mobile processors.

    Ahhh the good old days of DOS:) I still have an HP 'Palmtop' computer that has DOS built into the ROM along with Lotus 1,2,3 and cc:Mail. It fits in my pocket, runs on a couple of AA batteries for days and even has a PCMCIA slot which I used to house a modem with a pop-up RJ11 jack and could be used to connect to any phone jack and automatically send/receive my work emails. We've come a long way......

    Yeah, we all have things from the past on our attics!

    Commodore stuffs from 1982 to 1993 (the last one Amiga 4000) - also Sinclair Spectrum 48k, some oldies with 386/486 CPU:s, dotprinters from japanees company nowadays are gone…

    I also have saved several hundreds of computer magazines from 1981 to 1998 (the rest is in the recycling bin already)…
    Pretty nice to read future expectations from editors in Byte and Computer World from mid 80’s - they should not believe their eyes today if they saw a 1TB memory card big as an thumbnail, or video/photo/DTP editing on a 500 gram iPad Pro M4 with 2TB storage and 16GB of RAM - insane if we think deeper into that!!

    I can honestly miss the late 80’s and early 90’s with my all Commodore Amigas (model 3000 was my favorite)…

    I loved BYTE magazine! I got rid of the vast majority of my hard copies years ago once they began appearing in digital form. The BYTE collection can be found here: https://archive.org/details/BYTE-MAGAZINE-COMPLETE

  • ashhashh

    @NeuM said:

    @mangecoeur said:
    It's equal parts gimmicky and late... there was no particular reason not to have had a decent calculator app since a long time (even handwriting recoginition has been around a while) - this should have been "calculator app version 6.0" or something.

    On the other side selling a device called "Pro" as that's as powerful as a laptop that's still missing the basic features - even super simple things like setting "open this file type in this app by default" - while promoting a calculator app as the headline feature is a bit absurd.

    I still like the iPad for what I do with it, but this is where you feel the squeeze of the closed ecosystem. In the past when Macs missed features devs could step in and offer them (and sometimes get eaten by apple later, like Alfred command pane or tabbed browsing for Finder). iPads are locked up so tight that's not an option.

    If one prefers the “open” environment of Android, they should try it out for a while, then come back to Apple with tail between legs shortly thereafter. Apple stuff just works better. And if one dislikes the particular limitations of iPadOS, there’s always the Mac lineup.

    That's not what I read.

    I read a critique of iPad OS that had a pin sharp accuracy.

  • mjm1138mjm1138

    @Dham said:

    @mjm1138 said:

    @Dham said:

    @mjm1138 said:
    I'll be interested to see how the "Apple Intelligence" features run on my M1 iPad. A lot of the commentary around the new M4 iPad has been to the effect of "sure, it's great, but the software doesn't do anything new with all this power", and I suppose this technology will make a dent in that perception (i.e. it will be computationally expensive). On this forum I think we all might have preferred if they'd used that power to break down artificial constraints in the OS, but instead they're spending it on generative AI emojis. AAPL shareholders probably would have sued them if they'd done any differently :lol:

    Apple's A.I. integration features seem rushed, unpolished and to make matters worse have been negatively impacted by Apple's Tim Cook-led penchant for monetization via planned/forced obsolescence. Apple has already been sued in the recent past for such practices. The hardware is great and there is no way I would switch to Android, but I will very happy when Cook is no longer at the helm. They could easily continue to rake in record profits without resorting to such disgusting tactics. https://9to5mac.com/2021/03/01/apple-lawsuit-portugal-planned-obsolescence/

    The problem, which afflicts the entire economy, is that for Wall Street, record profits are no longer sufficient. Shareholders demand continual growth, even if you're one of the largest companies in the world (by market cap). And Apple can no longer squeeze that growth out of the sale of new hardware or software (even through the use of "planned obsolescence" tactics, which is not a theory I personally subscribe to anyway).

    The fertile ground for growth at Apple, then, is "services", which includes app stores, subscription services, etc. Also known as "recurring revenue". Almost every software vendor in the world has been on a mission to transition their customers into sources of recurring revenue. Perpetually licensed software is going to become more and more rare, until or unless the "infinite growth" mindset breaks on Wall St. (don't hold your breath).

    So, Tim Cook may leave, and I'd guess he will retire in the next couple years, but I don't see much chance that a new CEO would change course significantly. By the measure of increasing company and brand value, Tim Cook has been one of the most wildly successful CEOs in the history of business. People will never treat him with the reverence they treat Steve Jobs, but if you're a long-term holder of AAPL, Tim Cook did a lot more for you than Steve Jobs ever did.

    ETA: by the way, I'm describing what I see as the state of the world, not endorsing it.

    Understood, I can't blame the messenger:) I don't mind the subscription models. I'm free to pick and choose the services that I find beneficial. I just don't like when companies piss on me then tell me its raining. "And with the incredibly powerful and efficient A16 Bionic chip and all-day battery life, this is the best iPhone yet." Now all of a sudden the A16 is not powerful enough to process LLM.

    I understand where you're coming from. It's frustrating to spend a bunch of money on a new piece of hardware only to have it become "obsolete" in a couple years. I feel like tech companies (not just Apple) are between a rock and a hard place here though. People expect big year-over-year increases in hardware capability, but a bit criticism that came out with the M4 iPad Pro is that it was this powerful beast of a tablet with nothing to do with all that power, i.e. Apple is under pressure to introduce new capabilities to take advantage of more powerful hardware. Which was just announced. But you can't make the M4 iPad Pro owner happy without making the M1 iPad Pro owner think maybe they should upgrade, and without making the A12Z iPad Pro owner mad because they're missing out on the new features and their device is only four years old. But you can't keep the A12Z Pro owner happy without making the M4 Pro owner mad that their device doesn't "do" anything new. The same phenomenon happens at the application layer. People want new capabilities in Logic Pro but don't want to see their device fall off the "supported" list.

    Given that dilemma, there's a choice a company can make that drives new revenue, and a choice that doesn't drive new revenue. Just about any CEO of any company is going to choose "drives revenue". They're going to make the A12Z owner sad.

    There has definitely come a time in all of my Apple devices' lives, where I've done an OS upgrade and wound up thinking I should have stopped with the previous OS release, because of a serious drop in performance or battery life or something. Of course it's human nature (or at least it's my nature) that when I see new features in the OS or in an app I want to check them out and take advantage of them, so I can never resist an upgrade. I'm privileged enough that I can afford to refresh every few years, otherwise I'd have to learn to be happy with the capabilities a device had when I bought it.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    Looking forward to the calculator app

  • HolyMosesHolyMoses

    Many here (and on the whole internet) talks about the iPad Pro M4 doesn’t have equivalent software on pair with this CPU…

    Is it really so?

    I’m pretty sure that people that have choose iPad Pro as an compartment to their desktop/hi-end laptop is really glad that they can run Affinity Suite on iPad with heavy document/projectfiles/huges images - also, people on-the-run that can editing big projects on iPad Pro in Davinci Resolve, or, people in music making business can do advanced editing/recording/sampling in Logic Pro, Cubasis, Zenbeats etc etc, on powerful iPad Pros…

    So, it always naturally to aim against the newest hardware if you really wanna work without lagging etc…

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