Palestine

knewspeak

@Krupa said:

@knewspeak said:

@Krupa said:
While I agree with many of the sentiments expressed above regarding the possibly historic error made in that region, it can be extremely illuminating to have a look at the statistics from where settlers originate. Far from countries not deemed to be from ‘decadent west’ than are, I was surprised myself by this considering the rhetoric.

Not to negate, or to be honest really get involved in any so called debate about this topic, but I like to feel somewhat informed while forming opinions, especially on such complex topics and without any skin in the game beyond a conscience and horror at what I’ve seen unfold over all our lifetimes.

Witnessing the second-hand horrors of the Holocaust and countless horrors since and during my lifetime rips my soul asunder I cannot walk sleeping through this nightmare while witnessing fellow humans suffer the same, time after time. So I speak out, to stave off madness.

Absolutely, but in ascribing historical blame, be sure to be aware of the full context. People have fled there from all over the world, largely the former Soviet Union, and North Africa, so what to do about that remains a conundrum. This bad blood belongs to most of the human race.

South Africa, points the way to a reasonable solution perhaps?

But at the moment pouring more weapons and escalating matters could hold disaster for all mankind.

Krupa

@knewspeak said:

@Krupa said:

@knewspeak said:

@Krupa said:
While I agree with many of the sentiments expressed above regarding the possibly historic error made in that region, it can be extremely illuminating to have a look at the statistics from where settlers originate. Far from countries not deemed to be from ‘decadent west’ than are, I was surprised myself by this considering the rhetoric.

Not to negate, or to be honest really get involved in any so called debate about this topic, but I like to feel somewhat informed while forming opinions, especially on such complex topics and without any skin in the game beyond a conscience and horror at what I’ve seen unfold over all our lifetimes.

Witnessing the second-hand horrors of the Holocaust and countless horrors since and during my lifetime rips my soul asunder I cannot walk sleeping through this nightmare while witnessing fellow humans suffer the same, time after time. So I speak out, to stave off madness.

Absolutely, but in ascribing historical blame, be sure to be aware of the full context. People have fled there from all over the world, largely the former Soviet Union, and North Africa, so what to do about that remains a conundrum. This bad blood belongs to most of the human race.

South Africa, points the way to a reasonable solution perhaps?

But at the moment pouring more weapons and escalating matters could hold disaster for all mankind.

Yep definitely, more weapons seems to be condoning the behaviour as well as enabling it, horrific. As to solutions, I honestly don’t know, reason left the building a long long time ago.

knewspeak

@Krupa indeed

Telstar5

@yellow_eyez said:

@raindro said:
Nice music. Not absolutely tragic enough to represent what the world is letting happen to Palestine, but it’s probably impossible to make enjoyable music with the vibes of genocide.

+1

I can’t believe genocide is being inflicted on Palestine, (death toll over 50k, probably around 100k or something ethnically cleansed) and they still dare call it “war.” As previously stated, Arabs and Jews lived together for millennia peacefully [before the European/American colonial powers exploited the region to the point of making the Jewish Holocaust of 1945 now an Arabic Holocaust only 75 years later].

But the “irony” that the ‘state of’ Israel, which was [illegally] imposed on the existing sovereign native state/population in 1947 to give refuge to Jews fleeing genocide, is now perpetrating genocide to what they say “never again” to is maddening .

Anyway another beautiful piece Mike. Thanks for bringing a touch of peaceful attention to such tragedy.

Israel was not “artificially imposed “ anywhere . It existed between 3 and 4000 years before any major religion Google it.
Israel is not committing “genocide “.. 20% of Israel’s population is Muslim as is the IDF. Muslims serve in the Knesset . A Muslim judge sentenced a former Israeli Prime Minister , Ehud Olmert to six years in prison. If Israel’s committing “genocide “ it’s doing an awful job . Before Oct 7, there were 5 times as many Palistineans than there were in 1947.

Telstar5

“If the Palistineans put down their weapons now, there would be peace the next day” .
If Israel put down their weapons there would be no Israel” … Most if you don’t even know that Jews lived in Gaza until 2005 u til they were forced out by their own government in an effort to placate the Palistineans . It backfired mightily .

I know we’re not supposed to discuss politics on here but I’m never the first .. Still I feel some of the statements on here cannot go unchallenged .

Telstar5

When Jews lived in Gaza:: In your lifetime probably
https://aish.com/48956316/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2R21_XucuWe6ZQZPisIrwMEc14IVzvzo2F6ghhqS69GI7kMwB26XCs2rU_aem_YFqSvsIhb4ZPw3fVgIdg5g

Simon

How about some respect for Michael who hosts this Forum.

He has clearly said "This community is all about making music, with a focus on the iOS music world. Please keep all content related to music and music-making.".

wim

+1

Telstar5

@Simon said:
How about some respect for Michael who hosts this Forum.

He has clearly said "This community is all about making music, with a focus on the iOS music world. Please keep all content related to music and music-making.".

I agree but why then even open up a thread called “Palestine “ and even it’s just a piece of music , then proceed to opine , accusing Israel of “Apartheid “ and “Genocide”?.. I’ve already addressed what you’ve just posted earlier.. that this kind of post doesn’t belong here .. But as I said before when I see such accusations , they must be challenged . That said , you’re right .. I got caught up .. This discussion and topic need not be breached here in the first place. I hope Michael just erases the entire thing . It goes against the very essence and reason for being of this forum. This is supposed to be a respite for all the Facebook and YouTube bullshoi that we’re all so sick of ..
Again, point to you.. You are correct here .

LinearLineman

Just to be clear, I was not making a political statement. If any statement at all, it was an historic one.
Still, some can get carried away and not understand the Occam’s Razor answer…. Jews and Arabs got along for a long time. It’s a loss.

I would also like to say that, sometimes, an artist’s feelings and expression are connected to events in the real world. I named it after I improvised it, four months ago. It’s often very sad to be a human being.

@thesoundtestroom fine with me to shut this down. I’m glad some appreciated the beauty of the music. That’s what I aim for and the affirmation is helpful.

Telstar5

@LinearLineman : Oh, but your WERE making a “political statement “ (apartheid/genocide”. Branding what you said “historical “ and “not political “ isn’t true . It’s your opinion , even if you’re an actual historian . Just like believing that 9/11 was an inside job is often branded as “Scientific fact”. If you Google “Is Israel a genocidal/apartheid state?” you’ll get equal opinions on either side . So much for “historical”.. I know people who are 10x more knowledgeable than I am on the subject that say it isn’t .. Remember also that although many innocents were killed , that’s what happens in war … ALWAYS. BTW the Jews and Arabs have NOT “always gotten along” .. They’ve been at each other’s throats for over a century now since say, 1922. Google “Hebron massacre “ 1929 where 67 Jews were murdered initially .
Why suggest “shutting it down” only to pour more kerosene on the fire in terms of whatever “historical means to you?
Let’s not forget there are people in Israel , Lebanon , and Gaza on here in this forum who have all lost family members and friends . And that sone of them agree with you and some don’t . As has been said before , this ain’t the place . I say , as you agreed,that it should be dropped immediately and never been posted in the first place . That’s for Facebook that we’re all tempted to quit every day.
Let’s all just stick to the music here.. We’ll all be better for it .

wim

@Telstar5 - aren't you kind of going off on the wrong person here? @LinearLineman never said anything about "apartheid/genocide". He's been pretty neutral other than to express his grief over the whole situation. A feeling I'm sure we all share.

I think if you look back, you will find that it's others that have inserted the politics and controversy.

(apologies if I've overlooked anything or if comments have been edited before I saw them.)

wim

@LinearLineman - That is one beautiful composition! ❤️❤️
I'm in awe. It touched me deeply.

The choice to use trumpet for the solo part seemed maybe not to be the best to me, but I don't have any suggestion for a better candidate.

knewspeak

@Telstar5 Bill Maher,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher

No mention about any expertise in historical subjects just political opinion.

Now that newspaper NYT references historical event’s.

The International Court of Justice, has determined plausible cause for Israel committing Genocide, that’s the highest court on Earth, that determines infringements on human rights enshrined in law.

Fruitbat1919

I don't care if I get banned, but I wish that the ones talking politics on this thread would just feck off

knewspeak

@LinearLineman I know you wrote the piece as an expression of your humanity, that I do commend, likewise what I posted is to give context to the human tragedy that befell the state of Palestine, that tragedy hasn’t stopped sadly.