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The UK general election 2024
Quite an interesting election this time around. In my lifetime I don't think I've ever seen a party going to get wiped out as much at the Tories are this coming Friday. An absolute bloodbath.
I do feel sorry for long time Tory voters who have been badly let down by their leadership.
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Agreed.
To see the party that you believe in "insert expletive here" so much
must be heart wrenching however
the actions of the Tory Party has deserved such backlash.
At the very least they had voted to let 1 million children starve
and that was every Tory Party member.
The list of their wrongful actions is long and multifarious.
For me the core problem of UK politics is the archaic First Past The Post voting system. Many voices go unheard and votes wasted. And both big parties are more or less forced to make concessions to (mainly right wing) extremist viewpoints to appease these voters. There is little room for moderate conservativism and more left wing Labour policies.
And talking about leadership: We should have had a general election long ago instead of a series of unelected prime ministers.
I feel sorry for all those who suffered and still suffer from this disastrous period of Tory rule (not government).
I too am in favour of proportional representation.
It's clear at this point that the current method of electing political parties has failed. Look what's happening to us, the US and other countries.
And while we are at it, I think any power structure that operates on a "by appointment" basis, be it the house of Lords, or the way US supreme Court judges are appointed should be replaced with an elected authority.
BTW: Germany has an interesting voting system that tries to combine the advantages of PR with FPTP:
You get two votes.
The first one is a FPTP vote for a candidate of your constituency.
The second one is for a party.
All FPTP elected candidates become MPs. Then additional MPs are added until the a proportional representation is reached.
For a party to be represented in Parliament they either have to win FPTP votes, or get more than 5% of all votes.
Yes that would be a start, along with holding the MSM, lobbyists, non-elected bodies to account, in short greater transparency. I won’t be voting for the mainstream party they offer only a change of colour, not policy.
Can’t wait to see the Tories leave power this week, the routing they are about receive is well deserved.
I feel that the problem with the current Tories is they fell to the foolishness of popularism and as a result we have suffered a government by a group of people I’d not leave in charge of a cat never mind a country.
We had a referendum on PR not that long ago as the price for the LibDems supporting the Conservatives- sadly the public voted against it.
That wasn’t PR it was an AV compromised version.
The problem with that one was they chose a really bad PR model to put before the public, if I remember correctly.
Anyway, the departure of one of the worst governments we’ve ever had will be a huge relief, and I’m crossing my fingers that if enough people vote tactically we might actually see the LibDems as the opposition (it’s within our grasp). Grown ups on both sides of the aisle might pave the way for both electoral reform, and reform and then replacement of the Lords. And a whole raft of competent actions to improve everyone’s lives. There’s a lot to fix, though.
The problem is that many people have plenty of reasons for not voting for each of the main parties represented, but cannot find good reason to vote for what is left. Anyway I’ll be voting Reform - even with their flaws. The whole system does need a shake up.
Couldn't agree more. We urgently need common sense politics based on compromise and negotiation. I'm tired of the puerile winner/looser attitude and that Bullingdon Club debating style found in British politics. These boys and girls need to be told to grow up, and that politics is not a cricket match, but about lives and livelihoods.
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Jeez scary that people are openly saying they’ll support a party run by people who have been prime movers in the current raft of problems we face as a nation thinking that it is in some way an act of protest. It is nothing but an act of supplication to the cynicism that those people have strived for decades to bring to our people, a very sad state of affairs indeed.
At least consider either spoiling your ballot, or supporting the greens or another party that actually has the interests of the people at heart…
Fair enough. It’s not to late for me to be persuaded. Could you perhaps suggest which party you consider would be worthwhile voting for?
Sorry, I edited before, I’d say the greens, or Lib Dem’s, they’re both outsiders in many ways and have decent values at their hearts. Anything but perpetuate the cycle of cynicism that has infected us since the eighties…
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Even though I’m not personally keen on Labour post Corbyn, I do think there’ll be more of a change than they’re currently indicating, and that the country as a whole isn’t overly socialist in its makeup, centre left at best so there’s some justice in that. I’d love a hung parliament with a left leaning coalition, but second best would be Lib Dems as opposition leaving the tories and reform fighting it out as the last rats on the ship, just in the background rather than up front…
Fair enough, but check up on the candidate you’re planning to vote for, and really think about what, and more importantly who reform represent. The policies they’re espousing are all talking points of the oil cartels and other large business interests, or simple culture war classics…
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For me the Greens and Lib Dem’s are too weak on their policies on illegal immigration, which I believe is a huge issue and was one of the factors that has drawn me to Reform away from the main two. There’s other reasons as well but I really don’t want to engage in a prolonged debate about it, and I’m sure you will be in the same boat… as it were 😀
Just a few things to consider for those who think about voting reform:
For me as a musician and member of this wonderfully diverse forum any ideology, that is discriminating and tries to deprive specific groups of basic needs and a dignified and happy life I will never support.
Ah fair enough, if it’s immigration that worries you, I, and probably no one can help you. Good luck with all that 🤘
If you see it that way, fair enough but I’m pretty sure I’m right…
I voted greens by post. I feel betrayed a bit by labour and the fact that they are courting the right, also in my humble opinion none of the other parties are taking the existential threat of environmental collapse seriously enough.
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Honestly I think those are fair points. Farage is not the everyman he portrays. Populists like him are at worst puppets of Putin and at least selfish careerists.
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I’m an old style leftist so reform is out of the question, Roger Waters, Brian Eno and Eric Clapton aren’t too impressed by what the Uni-party has to offer, I’m not either. But there’s others Greens, Workers and Independents. But change is coming eventually across all the West.
I'll actually be voting labour this time, we've had an unpleasant and (imho compromised by corruption) dog of a tory for years and the only person who can unseat him is a pretty decent local councillor who has engaged positively with the community for the whole time I've been here. I've voted green in previous years when there was either no chance of unseating a tory, or it was a safe labour seat and wanted to register my interest. I'd much prefer a PR system of any sort, maybe a hybrid one like the Germans have where yo uget to influence the overall makeup of government, but still have a the ability to support an individual that you favour...
@Fruitbat1919 thanks for sharing your opinion in such a detail. My post was triggered by your posts, but I deliberately did not directly comment on it, because I find it absolutely fair if you share your opinion - in the same way as I did with mine.
I am not interested in another thread of the kind that in the end has to get closed by a moderator.
This is for me what makes the big difference between the "puerile politics" of shouting and meaningless debate that I mentioned in one of my posts further up this thead, and adults sharing their opinion in a forum like us doing here.
It is the same in my living environment: In the housing estate we live in, we are more or less surrounded by Tories. Some might see myself and my wife as some older hippies, with a wild, roundup free garden. Taking potential political differences aside, the majority of these people are people whom I actually like very much. Helpful, observant and caring neighbors.