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Dark truth about wireless earphones

SlushSlush
edited July 18 in General App Discussion

Maybe not the right topic for here, sorry in advance, but I happen to came across this info some weeks ago and now I bump on the same kind of info on Instagram (took a screenshot, can’t copy text). In case you are working with wireless headphones/earpods this might be something to be concerned about..

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6ttWBaNpbo/?igsh=bmFtanpsYnd2bmMy

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  • OnfraySinOnfraySin

    A lie.

    Next post

  • SlushSlush

    @OnfraySin said:
    A lie.

    Next post

    Is it? Any info this is just bogus? I don’t use them, it doesn’t concern me, bit still.

  • Telstar5Telstar5
    edited July 18

    Bull feathers

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic
    edited July 18

    My brain - 🤔💭

    The weed in my brain...

    If you wish to share such a "scary" claim, proof should be provided whether to prove or disprove it. Otherwise that's just a theory, a music theory. :mrgreen: (Shut up, I'm at the age where I look for any opportunity to crack a lame pun. 🤣 )

  • McDMcD

    How about micro-plastics?

    Brain worms and other parasites?

    I had a neighbor that swears she is allergic to electricity. She bought a camper and a plot of land in Arizona to get away from it.

    I like the wired headphones because they have low latency and never need to be re-charged. But I’d use wireless if it ad low latency. I think VR headsets might force Apple to support low latency options soon.

  • RonnieOmelettesRonnieOmelettes

    Looks like my crazy uncle is on Instagram now.

  • SlushSlush

    And to think I was about to make a topic about a guy who says Elvis is still alive.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Slush said:
    And to think I was about to make a topic about a guy who says Elvis is still alive.

    😂🤣🤣

  • EtienneEtienne

    Very old myth, debunked numerous times through proper research, with thousands of articles online explaining the facts. :)

  • SamuSamu

    While at it, turn of all wifi and cellular based gadgets to avoid frying brain cells, oh and the earth is flat too :sunglasses:

  • TarekithTarekith

    The bigger concern is using the wrong tip size on wireless earbuds and having them fall into your brain. I still have a Gen 1 AirPod floating around my cranium after I mistakenly used a small tip size on the left one and medium on the right one.

    Really kicking myself for listening to the Titanic Soundtrack when it happened, been listening to that shit for years now with no way to pause.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    A little information regarding EMF.
    https://www.healthline.com/health/emf

    Research into causation takes time and study from trusted independent researchers.

  • SimonSimon
    edited July 18

    @Slush said:

    @OnfraySin said:
    A lie.

    Next post

    Is it? Any info this is just bogus? I don’t use them, it doesn’t concern me, bit still.

    I think if it was dangerous there would already be a huge number of lawsuits in the US.

  • drewinnitdrewinnit
    edited July 18

    saw this topic getting some discussion on Twitter recently, with a lot of people alleging wired headphones were bad for you

    https://x.com/bitcoinand_beef/status/1813589834306593262

    i'm not picking a side - I use wired headphones cos I don't want to spend the money on bluetooth ones that I'll surely lose. i eat healthily and have quit smoking which I think will be far more effective to my physical wellbeing than what kind of headphones I wear :D

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    Nicotine is bad for you (at least I quit vaping and have stuck to it). Overconsumption of alcohol is bad for you (I moderate how much I drink in a sitting). Listening to music too loudly over prolonged periods of time is bad for you (and this is the only actual scientifically proven danger earphones and headphones pose, to your hearing, wireless or wired).

    I mean, if wireless headphones cause cancer, may as well go out while enjoying some music at a safe volume, lol. 😂

  • McDMcD

    We are seeing huge leaps in progress targeting cancer cells… smoke ‘em if you got good insurance.

    I’m still concerned about the long term impacts of micro plastics. They are so small they can pass through the blood-brain barrier, I think. We may not have the complete understanding for another decade but then we’ll see commercials:

    If you drank liquids from plastic containers for more than 10 years you might be eligible to participate in a class action suit against a consortium of soda and water products.

  • mjm1138mjm1138

    Think about all the electromagnetic radiation being generated by the voice coils of your ATH-M50's! RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR BRAIN!

  • McDMcD
    edited July 18

    @mjm1138 said:
    Think about all the electromagnetic radiation being generated by the voice coils of your ATH-M50's! RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR BRAIN!

    Is there a physics major in the house? Doesn’t the power levels of wireless transmission and the high frequency stimulation of cells do more damage than the low frequency massage of our sonic creations?

    After listening to most music my brain says “Thank you, human overlord”. It doesn’t realize it’s in charge. Brains actually have very primitive operating systems called the Lizard Works.

  • TentypeTentype

    Well, might be true. In fact on some level it would be strange if it WASN'T true.

    But i enjoy them, and i don't plan on stopping, so I'll continue to ignore the potential harm. 🤷🏽‍♂️

    I have no need to try to refute it though. Here's to your health 🍻

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited July 18

    While I'm generally fine with using wireless technology when it makes sense and actually improves my life, I would indeed never use wireless earbuds.

    The reason for this is simple: the extreme proximity to the brain (i.e., almost "inside").

    The field strength of electromagnetic radiation in 3D space falls off with the inverse square of the distance, which also means that it increases squared when the source of RF gets closer.

    Example:

    The maximum transmission power of WiFi is 1000 mW. Let's just call the field strength in your brain, with your laptop at a distance of 0.5 meters to your head, "1".

    The wireless earbuds in your head have a maximum transmission power of 100 mW, so 1/10th of that. However, their distance to your brain is roughly 0.01 meters, or 50 times closer than the laptop. As the field strength increases squared, with the same amount of emitted power, the field strength would be 2500 times higher.
    Taking into account that the earphones (Bluetooth) only emit at 1/10th the power of WiFi, we still get 250 times higher exposure of your brain with wireless Bluetooth earplugs than with the WiFi in your laptop on your lap.

    Just some food for thought!

    Corrections welcome, I'm sure my logic may be a bit over-simplified.

    EDIT: This is "squarely" 😂 about the enourmous field strength that wireless earbuds generate in your brain compared to other sources of RF. I make no assumptions about whether these are dangerous or not. I'm just pointing out that if RF turned out to have detrimental health effects, those of the earbuds would likely be 250 times worse than of most other everyday RF sources.

  • sigma79sigma79
    edited July 18

    Feel like I need another room for my ipads.

    Loads of devices next to my bed.

    Whats worse. Is I always say I dont even use the gear.

    Did buy a Shungite pendant. I guess not for emf but if it does.

    Then cool.

    Place where I buy have £600-£700 500g rocks.

    Mine is about 8 gram.

    This isnt mine but if its real. Its not a noble elite because you cant carve genuine shungite, I think.

  • sigma79sigma79
    edited July 18

    Yep.

    I sleep where the lamp is.

    I said before.

    Setup is like the supercomputer from Lucy.

    Its just when the usb stick arrives.

    The info might just say.

    Its over Dude.

    The stone is kinda decorative.

  • sigma79sigma79

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    Nicotine is bad for you (at least I quit vaping and have stuck to it). Overconsumption of alcohol is bad for you (I moderate how much I drink in a sitting). Listening to music too loudly over prolonged periods of time is bad for you (and this is the only actual scientifically proven danger earphones and headphones pose, to your hearing, wireless or wired).

    I mean, if wireless headphones cause cancer, may as well go out while enjoying some music at a safe volume, lol. 😂

    Some people think genuine tobacco plant is good for you ( like a superfood ) Or positive effects like cannabis.

    Claiming the American Indian, natives usage.

    Saying its the chemicals added to ciggarettes that are bad.

    Doubt Id be testing.

    Although I still vape.

  • SirKenSirKen

    @SevenSystems said:
    While I'm generally fine with using wireless technology when it makes sense and actually improves my life, I would indeed never use wireless earbuds.

    The reason for this is simple: the extreme proximity to the brain (i.e., almost "inside").

    The field strength of electromagnetic radiation in 3D space falls off with the inverse square of the distance, which also means that it increases squared when the source of RF gets closer.

    Example:

    The maximum transmission power of WiFi is 1000 mW. Let's just call the field strength in your brain, with your laptop at a distance of 0.5 meters to your head, "1".

    The wireless earbuds in your head have a maximum transmission power of 100 mW, so 1/10th of that. However, their distance to your brain is roughly 0.01 meters, or 50 times closer than the laptop. As the field strength increases squared, with the same amount of emitted power, the field strength would be 2500 times higher.
    Taking into account that the earphones (Bluetooth) only emit at 1/10th the power of WiFi, we still get 250 times higher exposure of your brain with wireless Bluetooth earplugs than with the WiFi in your laptop on your lap.

    Just some food for thought!

    Corrections welcome, I'm sure my logic may be a bit over-simplified.

    EDIT: This is "squarely" 😂 about the enourmous field strength that wireless earbuds generate in your brain compared to other sources of RF. I make no assumptions about whether these are dangerous or not. I'm just pointing out that if RF turned out to have detrimental health effects, those of the earbuds would likely be 250 times worse than of most other everyday RF sources.

    This is exactly the reason why I don't use Bluetooth headphones unless it's an emergency of some kind. Even my Momentum 3 is strictly used in wired mode.

    I am not sure how harmful it might be but why take the chance?

  • wimwim
    edited July 18

    @SevenSystems said:
    While I'm generally fine with using wireless technology when it makes sense and actually improves my life, I would indeed never use wireless earbuds.

    The reason for this is simple: the extreme proximity to the brain (i.e., almost "inside").

    The field strength of electromagnetic radiation in 3D space falls off with the inverse square of the distance, which also means that it increases squared when the source of RF gets closer.

    Example:

    The maximum transmission power of WiFi is 1000 mW. Let's just call the field strength in your brain, with your laptop at a distance of 0.5 meters to your head, "1".

    The wireless earbuds in your head have a maximum transmission power of 100 mW, so 1/10th of that. However, their distance to your brain is roughly 0.01 meters, or 50 times closer than the laptop. As the field strength increases squared, with the same amount of emitted power, the field strength would be 2500 times higher.
    Taking into account that the earphones (Bluetooth) only emit at 1/10th the power of WiFi, we still get 250 times higher exposure of your brain with wireless Bluetooth earplugs than with the WiFi in your laptop on your lap.

    Just some food for thought!

    Corrections welcome, I'm sure my logic may be a bit over-simplified.

    EDIT: This is "squarely" 😂 about the enourmous field strength that wireless earbuds generate in your brain compared to other sources of RF. I make no assumptions about whether these are dangerous or not. I'm just pointing out that if RF turned out to have detrimental health effects, those of the earbuds would likely be 250 times worse than of most other everyday RF sources.

    Do they really transmit anything significant though? They're primarily receivers. I would think unless you're using the mic, the only transmission would be a few tiny handshake packets.

    I have no idea how the protocol works, but it seems to me that every effort would be made to reduce bandwidth wherever possible.

  • CracklePotCracklePot

    5G already killed me a few years ago

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited July 18

    @wim said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    While I'm generally fine with using wireless technology when it makes sense and actually improves my life, I would indeed never use wireless earbuds.

    The reason for this is simple: the extreme proximity to the brain (i.e., almost "inside").

    The field strength of electromagnetic radiation in 3D space falls off with the inverse square of the distance, which also means that it increases squared when the source of RF gets closer.

    Example:

    The maximum transmission power of WiFi is 1000 mW. Let's just call the field strength in your brain, with your laptop at a distance of 0.5 meters to your head, "1".

    The wireless earbuds in your head have a maximum transmission power of 100 mW, so 1/10th of that. However, their distance to your brain is roughly 0.01 meters, or 50 times closer than the laptop. As the field strength increases squared, with the same amount of emitted power, the field strength would be 2500 times higher.
    Taking into account that the earphones (Bluetooth) only emit at 1/10th the power of WiFi, we still get 250 times higher exposure of your brain with wireless Bluetooth earplugs than with the WiFi in your laptop on your lap.

    Just some food for thought!

    Corrections welcome, I'm sure my logic may be a bit over-simplified.

    EDIT: This is "squarely" 😂 about the enourmous field strength that wireless earbuds generate in your brain compared to other sources of RF. I make no assumptions about whether these are dangerous or not. I'm just pointing out that if RF turned out to have detrimental health effects, those of the earbuds would likely be 250 times worse than of most other everyday RF sources.

    Do they really transmit anything significant though? They're primarily receivers. I would think unless you're using the mic, the only transmission would be a few tiny handshake packets.

    I have no idea how the protocol works, but it seems to me that every effort would be made to reduce bandwidth wherever possible.

    Yes you're right, my calculation is of course incomplete as it doesn't take into account actual exposure times. Yes, most of the time, the headphones will just be RECEIVING packets. But every packet has to be acknowledged, and that still means that there's multiple loud RF bursts per second right next to my brain.

    And all of this is completely unnecessary -- it is trivial to make wireless earbuds that don't transmit ANYTHING and have ZERO latency. Just use a normal analog FM transmitter in the phone and receiver in the earbuds. All problems solved. This still eludes me why this solution isn't mainstream.

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  • reasOnereasOne

    Dude my brain is already so fried that there nothing left to melt!
    *pushes airpods in further *

  • sigma79sigma79

    My bro gave me wireless headphones and use for a usbc tablet.

    Watching movies is better than tangled in cable.

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