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The Sidewinder - Gigfast Lite (Fender Amp Sim)

Rendition of Lee Morgan's The Sidewinder to test out Gigfast Lite's Fender style amp sim (F-002).

Strat -> Gigfast Lite (F-002 with York Audio Fender 4x10 cab IR) -> Nembrini Delay3000 -> Audiothings Springs -> DDMF MagicVerb

I'm heavily invested in Nembrini and love the Faceman, but is this better???

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  • Wow that sounds great!

  • @pbelgium ,
    Sounds really good.
    Bravo

  • @pbelgium Love your playing! As to the amp sim, it’s as realistic as any I’ve heard to date. With your signal chain, I’d swear it’s a tube amp through a mic’d up cabinet in a real room. I really like the F-002 amp, too.

    Can’t wait until @ArteraDSP releases more parametric captures. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would gladly pay for an in-app purchase of new amps.

  • edited July 2024

    @pbelgium : sounds great (performance and amp)!

  • I tried for 5 minutes to get something close to a clean Fender amp out of Gigfast and gave up.
    This recording and FX chain is telling me to try again.

  • @McD said:
    I tried for 5 minutes to get something close to a clean Fender amp out of Gigfast and gave up.
    This recording and FX chain is telling me to try again.

    You may need to lower the gain on the signal going into the plugin and keep amp’s gain knob low. Use the master volume knob for volume. You can set the Gain knob all the way down to 0.

    If input level is somewhat hot, I may have the gain knob between 0 and 2 or so. If I lower the gain from my interface I can increase the gain knob and keep it clean.

  • Great sound, great playing 🙏

  • I don’t know much about the technical aspects, but it sounds great to me. I’m mostly listening to your guitar playing, which I always dig.

  • @pbelgium really tasty playing, our whole team enjoyed listening it :smiley: Thank you!

  • @McD said:
    I tried for 5 minutes to get something close to a clean Fender amp out of Gigfast and gave up.
    This recording and FX chain is telling me to try again.

    Please give GigFast another spin with keeping your audio interface gain at minimum :) you can check our manual about input levels too.

  • @Schmotown said:
    @pbelgium Love your playing! As to the amp sim, it’s as realistic as any I’ve heard to date. With your signal chain, I’d swear it’s a tube amp through a mic’d up cabinet in a real room. I really like the F-002 amp, too.

    Can’t wait until @ArteraDSP releases more parametric captures. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would gladly pay for an in-app purchase of new amps.

    There will be new parametric amps and additional fx as free update as we have promised. There may be IAP models for 3rd party Vendors but our business plan is to create strong bond with our users by making GigFast evolve based on your valuable feedback 🤘🏻

  • @ArteraDSP said:

    @McD said:
    I tried for 5 minutes to get something close to a clean Fender amp out of Gigfast and gave up.
    This recording and FX chain is telling me to try again.

    Please give GigFast another spin with keeping your audio interface gain at minimum :) you can check our manual about input levels too.

    And make sure the overdrive (OD) is disengaged. Most of the presets have the OD on but you can’t tell visually until you press the OD button.

  • @ArteraDSP said:

    @Schmotown said:
    @pbelgium Love your playing! As to the amp sim, it’s as realistic as any I’ve heard to date. With your signal chain, I’d swear it’s a tube amp through a mic’d up cabinet in a real room. I really like the F-002 amp, too.

    Can’t wait until @ArteraDSP releases more parametric captures. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would gladly pay for an in-app purchase of new amps.

    There will be new parametric amps and additional fx as free update as we have promised. There may be IAP models for 3rd party Vendors but our business plan is to create strong bond with our users by making GigFast evolve based on your valuable feedback 🤘🏻

    Thanks very much.

  • @Schmotown said:

    @ArteraDSP said:

    @McD said:
    I tried for 5 minutes to get something close to a clean Fender amp out of Gigfast and gave up.
    This recording and FX chain is telling me to try again.

    Please give GigFast another spin with keeping your audio interface gain at minimum :) you can check our manual about input levels too.

    And make sure the overdrive (OD) is disengaged. Most of the presets have the OD on but you can’t tell visually until you press the OD button.

    This is solved with an update. Now active fx shown as bright yellow color on the fx button as well. If it is bypassed it turns into white.

  • @ArteraDSP said:

    And make sure the overdrive (OD) is disengaged. Most of the presets have the OD on but you can’t tell visually until you press the OD button.

    This is solved with an update. Now active fx shown as bright yellow color on the fx button as well. If it is bypassed it turns into white.

    I’m sorry, I didn’t notice that change. Definitely an improvement.

  • @Schmotown said:

    @ArteraDSP said:

    And make sure the overdrive (OD) is disengaged. Most of the presets have the OD on but you can’t tell visually until you press the OD button.

    This is solved with an update. Now active fx shown as bright yellow color on the fx button as well. If it is bypassed it turns into white.

    I’m sorry, I didn’t notice that change. Definitely an improvement.

    We have also forgot to add it to relase notes so no worries 😊

  • Hey @ArteraDSP are there plans to add more amp design options in the future?
    My brain is connecting these golden knobs with a bright Marshall type sound. I’d love to have the option to change the overall look to something more fenderish or black.
    I know that might sound ridiculous but our poor guitarist brains are quite biased by stuff like that 😄

  • Thanks for the listen @jo92346 (looking forward to hearing Slug in the Rain later).

    Thanks @flo - bravo from you makes my day.

    Thanks @Schmotown. It does sound good, but I haven't purchased yet - more testing to do (It's great that there is a Lifetime purchase as well as subscription). Do you have Nembrini Faceman? How do you think they compare?

    Thanks @espiegel123 - your input level advice is spot on (same with Nembrini). Also @McD, using a York Audio/Ownhammer IR tames the tone a little bit. (Thanks for listening.)

    As always, thanks for listening @Paulieworld, @GeoTony (your 3 weeks early!).

    Glad you liked it @ArteraDSP. I like your business plan and look forward to more amps. I'll probably try the B100 next, because of the golden knobs - I agree with @jacou.

  • Ha, well spotted… you made me break my own rules 🤣
    I like to live dangerously + it was worth it 🙏

  • McDMcD
    edited July 2024

    @pbelgium said:
    @McD, using a York Audio/Ownhammer IR tames the tone a little bit. (Thanks for listening.)

    My input illustrates why you should be wary of A|B test performed by someone that doesn’t understand the product.

    Regarding your performance: I love this tune. It was my introduction to the 7th chord voicing with a #9
    that later was the essential ingredient in Purple Haze in my youth. I love that sound and it’s the core
    feature in my left hand for playing passable jazz blues.

    In the key of C you can voice the C7 and F7 with shell voicings with
    3-7-+9 for the C7#9
    7-3-6 and all the notes descend by 1/2 step.

    E to Eb
    Bb to A
    Eb to D

    Once someone shows you that you can play C7-F7 blues and just run blues scales in your right hand and viola you are improvising jazz.

    Now, Lee Morgan’s rhythm section starts on the 4 and slides up to the root:

    Such an important tune in my understanding of why nothing in the classical world sounds as cool as
    the jazz of the 50’s for anyone interested in harmonic colors.

    Then Jimmy Hendrick’s mined this amazing 1/2 step movement to blow the world away with Purple Haze.

    The magic comes from the tritone intervals between the 3rd and 7th or the 7th and the 6th. The tritone is of course the “devil’s chord”.

    SideWinder is a tritone resolving to another tritone. Nasty in such a good way. Definitely NOT church music.

  • @pbelgium said:
    Thanks @Schmotown. It does sound good, but I haven't purchased yet - more testing to do (It's great that there is a Lifetime purchase as well as subscription). Do you have Nembrini Faceman? How do you think they compare?

    The Faceman is probably my favorite Nembrini but what’s getting me more and more hooked on GigFast, besides the quality of the amp simulations, is the user interface. It’s far faster and easier to use than any of the others with the possible exception of Primo, which is also designed for quick results. I’m too old to navigate through pages of settings or gaze at busy or visually unappealing designs, such as Tonex.

  • McDMcD
    edited July 2024

    @Schmotown said:
    what’s getting me more and more hooked on GigFast, besides the quality of the amp simulations, is the user interface. It’s far faster and easier…

    Good point, I love TH-U but it breaks the “fourth wall” of amp sims by NOT using knobs. Watch any great electric guitarist and they can’t’ keep their hands off those knobs.

    Are the knobs in GigFast exposed as AU parameters? Oh boy! Is 0-127 enough control to simulate a real Fender Knob?

    I also checked TH-U. Not really focused on IOS to be honest:

    Tonex… better.

  • @McD said:
    The magic comes from the tritone intervals between the 3rd and 7th or the 7th and the 6th. The tritone is of course the “devil’s chord”.

    SideWinder is a tritone resolving to another tritone. Nasty in such a good way. Definitely NOT church music.

    Yes, this is a great tune with lots of chromatic tritone movement - I also throw in a 'm6' chord (tritone from b3 to 6).

  • @pbelgium said:

    @McD said:
    The magic comes from the tritone intervals between the 3rd and 7th or the 7th and the 6th. The tritone is of course the “devil’s chord”.

    SideWinder is a tritone resolving to another tritone. Nasty in such a good way. Definitely NOT church music.

    Yes, this is a great tune with lots of chromatic tritone movement - I also throw in a 'm6' chord (tritone from b3 to 6).

    It sounds great and shows you have mastery of harmony on the fretboard.

  • @Schmotown said:
    The Faceman is probably my favorite Nembrini but what’s getting me more and more hooked on GigFast, besides the quality of the amp simulations, is the user interface. It’s far faster and easier to use than any of the others with the possible exception of Primo, which is also designed for quick results. I’m too old to navigate through pages of settings or gaze at busy or visually unappealing designs, such as Tonex.

    Sound quality comes first, but you're right, the UI looks good, has everything there on one screen and is super easy to use. I do like the skeuomorphic approach, but is it necessary?

  • wimwim
    edited July 2024

    Dammit. I broke my first rule to never listen comparatively to anything else once I've made up my mind to stick with something. I enshrined this rule when I bought my first stereo system as a teenager. After spending months agonizing over finding the ultimate, and even longer saving for it, I vowed never to listen to any other system that I wasn't sure was inferior to mine so as to not regret the purchase.

    Faceman is (was?) that amp. I vowed to stop the tone quest there. Now I'm doubting that. 😂
    I knew I shouldn't have listened to your excellent track!
    I'm gonna retreat to the old adage that "The tone is really in your fingers" and blame it on your superior technique.

  • @wim said:
    I broke my first rule to never listen comparatively to anything else once I've made up my mind

    How can we maintain a marketplace if you refuse to upgrade every month or two? This rule
    is heresy and prevents us from having nice things.

    Of course… you do you, @wim. I just don’t like you spreading this dangerous doctrine.

    I’ve downloaded GigFast Lite and turned on the 7 day trial. I screwed up the comparisons with TH-U
    and Tonex and I’m happy canceling the trial. Incompetance has served me well to minimize spending
    every last penny. And having a domestic CFO is also a check on my impulses.

  • @wim said:
    Dammit. I broke my first rule to never listen comparatively to anything else once I've made up my mind to stick with something. I enshrined this rule when I bought my first stereo system as a teenager. After spending months agonizing over finding the ultimate, and even longer saving for it, I vowed never to listen to any other system that I wasn't sure was inferior to mine so as to not regret the purchase.

    Faceman is (was?) that amp. I vowed to stop the tone quest there. Now I'm doubting that. 😂
    I knew I shouldn't have listened to your excellent track!
    I'm gonna retreat to the old adage that "The tone is really in your fingers" and blame it on your superior technique.

    Thanks for listening - I think? I know how you feel, I've purchased many of the Nembrini amps on iOS (and desktop) and settled on two to satisfy my needs - the Faceman and sometimes the Marshall. These sound great and I'm content, but ...

    @McD I'm somewhat comforted by your app purchasing methodology - we all need to get better at being incompetent.

  • @McD said:

    @Schmotown said:
    what’s getting me more and more hooked on GigFast, besides the quality of the amp simulations, is the user interface. It’s far faster and easier…

    Good point, I love TH-U but it breaks the “fourth wall” of amp sims by NOT using knobs. Watch any great electric guitarist and they can’t’ keep their hands off those knobs.

    Are the knobs in GigFast exposed as AU parameters? Oh boy! Is 0-127 enough control to simulate a real Fender Knob?

    I also checked TH-U. Not really focused on IOS to be honest:

    Tonex… better.

    Th-u has extensive midi control available in standalone, not sure why it’s not showing up in AUM.

    I’ve been getting great tone from the Fender amp in GigFast. The key is turning off the OD module, and picking channel A or B. On those channels it’s possible to crank the gain knob to get clean gain, basically a loud uncompressed clean sound.

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    I’ve been getting great tone from the Fender amp in GigFast. The key is turning off the OD module, and picking channel A or B. On those channels it’s possible to crank the gain knob to get clean gain, basically a loud uncompressed clean sound.

    Definitely, the Fender is great for cleans as is the Vox-style amp. I use both with OwnHammer’s cabinet IRs. The more time I spend with GigFast, the more it’s becoming the only amp SIM I use.

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