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Apps that (hopefully) don’t turn into abandonware
So there’s a lot of great apps that eventually disappear or are no longer maintained. I sympathize completely w devs but I’ve had to migrate a lot of my patches/instrumemts from one synth to another for live performance over the years. Nanostudio 1, Magellan 1, and a few others come to mind.
I’ve been trying to pick synths/devs that seem like they’re going to stick around long term to migrate/ remake parches for since IOS is my primary platform.
I have a lot of nanostudio 2 stuff I’m concerned will eventually disappear. I’m not sure where blip interactive is at but I think sales didn’t meet expectations and I’m trying to pick synths I think will stick around. Pity because it’s one of my favorite workflows.
** Side note I am super appreciative of all the devs that have made great products even if maintaining it long term wasn’t feasible. This is a logistical issue for me not a criticism of anyone’s talented hard work
Drambo has been my primary synth I’ve been migrating to/recreating patches in. Beepstreet seems here to stay and very active in terms of updates.
Any other synths you feel are well rounded and good to migrate to?
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People are saying Drambo will add AI features that allow it to write code to patch itself so Beepstreet can make something else when VR takes off and we want Drambo VR.
Harry Goh’s Tera Synth has so many synth types you get to hedge your bets across multiple synthesis
types.
Synthmaster 1
Synthmaster 2
and the upcoming Synthmaster 3 indicate there will be a lot of Synthmasters spaced out about 5-7 years.
I'd say Korg Gadget and any app that works within Gadget. For a long time I thought Gadget's days were numbered, and then Korg released Gadget 3 with new IAP gadgets and all internal gadgets became AUv3! Then they turned iM1 into AUv3! Not to mention Module Pro still gets preset packs on occasion.
Cubasis 3 seems to be another app with a dedicated team of devs, and I don't see Logic Pro for iPad disappearing anytime soon (unless Apple itself goes under).
FL Studio Mobile, despite its lack of AUv3 hosting, is another great app that'll most likely stand the test of time. (The lack of AUv3 may turn off a lot of people, but I usually sample oneshots in AUM per project, pop 'em into a dedicated project folder under "My Samples", and off I go.)
It’s too bad there isn’t some kind of way to keep apps stable without constant maintenance everytime iOS updates. Oh well guess that’s just the nature of having software vs hardware synths
Very true. My flat is a studio efficiency, so not enough space for any hardware synths, let alone any space for a DAWless setup. A Eurorack would be pretty baller to have. Then again, there's miRack which seems to receive regular updates.
Perhaps there’s only one ”developer” that we can trust on for the future of iOS/iPadOS music making - that’s Apple itself!
If we can feel satified with all the fantastic synths and drums, or studio instruments into Logic Pro, then, Logic is the only software on Apple devices to trust on…
But, although I love Logic Pro on both iPad & Mac, my life would be less pleasantly without Synthmaster, Pianoteq, Drumjam, 4Pockets, SWAM, Zeeon, Korg Collection, Klevgrand all stuff, AUM!!!
But, if I had to choose ONE app on my Apple devices it would certainly be Logic Pro - easy decision…
that's the issue with Apple/apple store, the consumer on a fundamental level doesn't really own the app independently from apple store and the iOS integration. yeah, you can go through some hoops and save the app's somewhere but its all garbage to be honest. we should be able to just run the app forever without issue.
lets face it some of the dev's will die at some point then their cool little app will disappear from your ipad.
Unfortunately iPad only. I use iPhone and mainly interfaces to control everything live. I don’t really touch my device much it’s just a processor for everything else. Other than loopy pro sometimes
Also wish apps would follow a loopy pro subscription model where you only pay for updates. I don’t like renting things but I get that devs need an income steam to continue development
I wish there would be some kind of "app rescue centre" for apps from devs who cannot or simply do not want to maintain their software any more. The same goes for apps where the developer has died. The code could be handed over to the organization and maintained by a developer community. It would be up to the developer or in the case of death the heirs to decide if they want to open source the app. In return the dev would still get a share of the sales revenue.
Yeah, Logic Pro may not be iPhone compatible in near future, but, perhaps Apple will surprise us with a release of MainStage that is both iPhone & iPad compatible, and, without subscription, just a one time purchase?
I love this. Yes ! It’s so sad to see so much work just disappear into the void. Lots of software has been rescued by modders and community keeping things they love alive. Guess apple ecosystem makes that more difficult tho
Apple Application Emergency Resque Squad (AAERS) - this can be a new department in Apple Park in Palo Alto that can save our beloved apps from dying!
Good idea from you!!
Yeah sure!
I also wish there was a 'Car Emergency Squad' that could fix my car forever, but most of those abandoned apps generate almost no revenue, and no one wants to work for free. If they are actually profitable someone would have acquired them along time ago.
I think that they will all die at some point...
Death is inevitable.
Damn, this thread took a depressing turn
More or less every app can be replaced with something else over time even thought it may not be a 100% replica but it'll be roughly in the same ballpark...
indeed, all the dev's are going to die.
We all gonna die - unfortunately...
But, until then, I'm gonna live, and live a nice life with music good food and everything else that makes my life worth living (my wife and siblings and my Dji Drone and my synth collection)...
They didn't even keep the headphone jack. Nothing is safe!
But, at least we all can buy lovely dongles to get sound out!
It reminds me of the fantastic video @jakoB_haQ made 2018 - very funny and wonderful!!
don't get too cozy with your iOS app though, that ain't surviving either.
🤣 wtf turn did this take. Yea forever is a lot to ask of anything but I think active apps are a good bet. Drambo is still in active development and stuff like moog model d is probably going to be maintained for awhile as well
If I have to migrate I migrate. Recreating patches is kinda fun in Drambo. I’m pretty obsessed w it overall it’s hard to find anything else with the level of features and flexibility it has.
I wish there were more feature complete apps. The one developer that I’ve seen doing this consistently is Jim Audio. Groove Rider 16 and Pure Acid, Poison… really all his apps are feature complete.
Michael’s new update model for Loopy Pro also accomplishes this. Essentially each major version is feature complete. If you want new features, buy the next feature complete version.
Yes the developer still has to handle iOS updates that impact their apps. But it’s much harder to do when you’re releasing new features and addressing iOS update issues at the same time.
There is: "Freeze" your device. Get to an OS level you're happy with. Turn off OS and App Store updates, back up all your apps to a desktop with iMazing, and turn off WiFi. You'll have no further OS or App breakages due to updates until the device dies.
If you're really, really into preserving the status quo, get a second device of the same model, do the same, then switch it off. Maybe take it out every few months and run it once through a discharge / recharge cycle to make sure the battery doesn't degrade. With other Lithium Ion battery devices, storing at 80% charge seems to be the prevailing advice.
Apps don't disappear from an iPad even if the developer removes them from the App Store or discontinues their account.
Even then, if you back them up to a desktop using iMazing, if they do disappear from the App Store you can still restore them to a different device if the one you have dies.
That'd be really cool. 😎
I'd go for that.
Good advice!
I have a similar ”setup” - my 2014 iPad Air v2 is freezed at the last version of iPadOS/iOS that is 32-bit - I have a lot of old 32-bits apps I never wanna loose, including Alchemy (Camel Audio) - a lot of old & great stuff!
Just to clarify, that isn't how it works. You don't pay for major version updates and there are never feature complete versions. You pay for the next 12 months of rolling feature updates. If you choose not to pay for the updates, the version you have at that time is fully up to date and "complete" as far as you're concerned. Bug fixes, etc, are included even if you don't pay the 12 month feature updates cost.
Here's the kicker. If you come back three years later and find there are features you want to have that have been released over those three years ... you only pay the same 12-month update cost and you get all of those three years of updates, plus the next 12 months updates, for just the 12 months cost.
So, in fact it's hugely more beneficial to us than the version-by-version process.
Thanks for the clarification. I agree that’s a good approach. It’s well thought out.
Same as @wim I like the positive approach. 😄
I treat my ipad as a hardware groovebox. There are some bugs on both sides, updates can also be abandonned on both sides for various reasons, but you can freeze your ipad and treat it like a machine.
OP is interesting, but can we really predict the future ? I wouldn't want to overthink it!